M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Basically, he said he saw Balki's death in the bot, and not Damo and Dip's, even though they're literally in the same place one line lower

You scumread Bunny because he didn’t see a webpage the same way you did?

Go to this post.
https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=408356#p408356

Bunny confirmed he saw the Balki death in this location. He also said he didn't know damo or dip died. It is basically impossible to see this area and not see the damo/dip deaths listed right next to Balki's death below.


Which makes it pretty clear Bunny is trying to pretend to be more clueless than he actually is.

Hmm.

Did Bunny later recant or say something like he didn’t properly look at it or whatever?

I guess for me this piece of evidence is something that can come about from someone not paying full attention, which is not necessarily scum indicative.

[foodcoats]

##Vote Sweet

You've been flirting with evil too long. You're most likely tadpoled

Is this a serious contention Flum? You think sweet was town who was tadpoled and is now mafia? Why?

Like I said earlier, that was pretty clearly a joke post referencing day 1.

Ah apologies.

[Ezio]

Vote yoyo with us

I might. For now I wanna get more people on Food though and show he's a viable wagon too.

Ah… I just realized something…

Clever girl

fine I'll bite. What did you realize?

[foodcoats]

Because?

You’re off.

You're mom.

Go to bed, Jamie!

[Foxcastle]

I don't know what you're doing but you're being disingenuous and you know it lol.

How am I being disingenuous?

You decided I was scum for no reason, and twisting a narrative after the fact. I know you don't have a guilty on me, so I have no idea if you're reaction testing or pulling off a scum gambit, but you have nothing.

And it still seems pretty likely to me it was a town battelmaster. Like the amount of assumptions you have to make to even make it fit are a lot.

I did kind of decide to try you on as scum. But hey, then I found some compelling (if circumstantial) evidence!

[foodcoats]

##DESTROY

unless this is a claim, its probably more sensible to just have the receiver claim it.

Actually that’s a great idea.

Case 1) someone was saved or invincible last night. They should claim they were doc saved.

Case 2) someone was given the tadpole. They should claim it ASAP.

Case 3) everyone else: knows they were not targeted with either. Scum already knows it to.

We claim RIGHT NOW to force.

I had nothing happen to me last night. No tadpole. No attack.

I was not saved nor given a young frog.

[Fluminator]

How am I being disingenuous?

You decided I was scum for no reason, and twisting a narrative after the fact. I know you don't have a guilty on me, so I have no idea if you're reaction testing or pulling off a scum gambit, but you have nothing.

And it still seems pretty likely to me it was a town battelmaster. Like the amount of assumptions you have to make to even make it fit are a lot.

I did kind of decide to try you on as scum. But hey, then I found some compelling (if circumstantial) evidence!

The last time I found you this irritating you were scum. I'll keep this in mind.

[sweetandcool]

@sweet

Please explain. I’m very lost and struggling to keep up

Flum made a similar comment, perhaps I meant to say Warrior but am too lazy to check which is correct.

We have a Vig who has Archer Power. Dip had the Duel Power. Battle Master power is also Paladin (or Warrior?)

So that makes three people under the same category.

This isn't actually important, just interesting.

Oh shit! They vigged damo?!

I just checked the most recent flip on the bot. Only knew D&W died too when I saw youse guys talking about it

Would scumbunny say this?

Suppose Bunny is scum. They have daychat. They would have reacted to the Big shot. Scumbunny would know that damo was vigged. Consequently, Bunny provides us with this theater because he wanted to be clever. He was clever enough to specifically mention the bot, even though scumbunny would have learned from daychat or the thread.

Suppose Bunny is Town. Then he checks the bot and notices Balki flipped scum. He has no reason to suppose there would be two other flips (though how do you miss damo?!), so it's very understandable that he would miss the lines under Balki.

Yeah, Bunny is either incredibly good actor or locktown.

Bunny, we need better reads from you from now on. Welcome to the party :D

[foodcoats]

Lord Beancomb announced "A DUEL HATH BEEN INITIATED, DILLY DILLY" on page 153.

At that moment in time, before anyone moved their votes, the vote tally was:

Diplomacy&Warfare(6)- DemonRHK, Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk, Lfischl, Worcej, Yoyoyozo
Ghug(3)- Dousing, Flavius, JustAGuyNamedWill
Lfischl(3)- aarodactyl, Col7by, Vecna
Balki(3)- Diplomacy&Warfare, Squigs, Sweetandcool
Dousing(2)- Balki, Ghug
Jamiet99uk(2)- Ezio, Fluminator
Flavius(1)- Bonatogether
Sweetandcool(1)- BunnyGo
Ezio(1)- Foodcoats
Damo666(1)- TheMadMonarch

Note: Damo had his vote on Bonatogether when he died, but since Damo had died, that was no longer counted.

This tell us a lot because if we think mafia had two townies they think they could have risen to the top then...its unlikely a mafia was bussing Balki at this point, lfischl and jamie then I think were who they thought they cold bring to the top.
Our ghug wagon wasnt gaining momentum not one bit. Im not entirely convinced ghug is mafia anymore tho a lot has been said to disprove it I still would like to see his responses to my responses, instead of "oh you broke the quote feature"

I agree because sweet and squigs are like, lock town, so no, Balki was not being bussed here 99% of the time.

[sweetandcool]

I think the food votes are btw

Scum Foodcoats tends to give you food poisoning.

Why do you think I’m scum, sweet?

I've already explained. You are not the foodcoats I've grown to know and love.

[Foxcastle]

You decided I was scum for no reason, and twisting a narrative after the fact. I know you don't have a guilty on me, so I have no idea if you're reaction testing or pulling off a scum gambit, but you have nothing.

And it still seems pretty likely to me it was a town battelmaster. Like the amount of assumptions you have to make to even make it fit are a lot.

I did kind of decide to try you on as scum. But hey, then I found some compelling (if circumstantial) evidence!

The last time I found you this irritating you were scum. I'll keep this in mind.

That's probably true. But it's a logical fallacy to assume that the only time I irritate you is as scum :)

[sweetandcool]

I would hope that a town would realize there are better cases for the battle master. If it is town, I don't suspect we can know the reasoning.

I think it makes a lot of sense to use it as scum though, including early on (when we're already down 2 extra miskills). But they wouldn't activate it if there was a chance that it would possibly kill scum, though. That would mean activating it at a time when there were virtually no votes on scum wagons. I think you'd also want to activate it close to the 30-minute deadline, as well. Balki briefly had votes about 2 hours out, but those evaporated quickly. He started getting votes again at 00:37. At that time, wagons were Dip (6), lfischl (4), ghug (3), Jamie (2), Dousing (2), Flav (2), Sweet (1), Ezio (1). (I may be missing some after the first 4 that I cribbed from the bot.)

I think this points to at least lfischl and ghug being town, and likely the rest of them.

That's what I said! Though the ghug wagon was going nowhere and I think Mafia could have defended it, so I don't think this specifically shows ghug is Town.

Sweet, do you think the battle master should claim if they're town in order to confirm the validity of this theory?

No, sadly. But I want them to claim.

It makes sense to force Mafia to miss Townclears, so claiming is bad unless under pressure. We will find out eventually.

[Squigs44]

This is my first time using an image on the forum so I hope this works

[foodcoats]

Hmmm, or do I?

What reason do I have for townreading Will?

Maybe I don't. I should review him.

Will is playing low key this game which makes me wonder if he's Scum That Gone Done Learned His Lesson.

Everyone here says will is a super talker and as a professional yapper you cant just stop yapping like that I definetly suspect him

It’s definitely weird. Will normally actively tries to be the highest poster.

Will… are you alright?

[Squigs44]

So that didnt work... I wanted to post a picture of a pie chart I made. How do I do pictures?

[Squigs44]

AHA! I had the wrong link. Preview actually pulls it up this time

[foodcoats]

Col7by serious question:

Has anyone shown you the bot? Are you using it?

Not tadpole stuff to start off.
I dmed the the GM for access on day 2 when I learned there was one but don’t think I’ve seen all the capabilities everyone has talked about

Have you seen the vote count?

The names of the current remaining players?

Vote history?

It looks like the one we use at work but better

Wow… what is going on at your workplace?

[foodcoats]

To me it looks like Bona is just posting whatever pops in their brain but isn't actually engaging with the game much. This type of play from scum would make sense if their goal is to avoid attention. If that's the case, job well done, because it seems no one has a strong opinion on Bona.

Bona could be scum. The last game I played with bona he was town and was an absolute dog with a bone. Here… not so.

This doesn't look like a strong opinion, its just the 5th person saying "Bona could be scum I guess" and moving on

I mean it’s a hard call to make. It’s funny, bona normally makes me angry and I scumread him and… I realize it is because he is town and he is like that.

So, yeah. Bona was in my scumreads yesterday and still is today. I don’t have an ultra sledgehammer mafia reads, so I guess that is why it is not strong.

[Squigs44]

Flum made a similar comment, perhaps I meant to say Warrior but am too lazy to check which is correct.

We have a Vig who has Archer Power. Dip had the Duel Power. Battle Master power is also Paladin (or Warrior?)

So that makes three people under the same category.

This isn't actually important, just interesting.

Oh shit! They vigged damo?!

I just checked the most recent flip on the bot. Only knew D&W died too when I saw youse guys talking about it

Would scumbunny say this?

Suppose Bunny is scum. They have daychat. They would have reacted to the Big shot. Scumbunny would know that damo was vigged. Consequently, Bunny provides us with this theater because he wanted to be clever. He was clever enough to specifically mention the bot, even though scumbunny would have learned from daychat or the thread.

Suppose Bunny is Town. Then he checks the bot and notices Balki flipped scum. He has no reason to suppose there would be two other flips (though how do you miss damo?!), so it's very understandable that he would miss the lines under Balki.

Yeah, Bunny is either incredibly good actor or locktown.

Bunny, we need better reads from you from now on. Welcome to the party :D

Bunny is the only person on webdip I have seen get an actual townclear from the entire playerbase and they were scum that game. I will forever be paranoid of Bunny !townslips

[foodcoats]

Reviewing D1, the main wagons have all died except Flavius, fisch (Town), and Flum.

Yes, perhaps ##VOTE Flum

Does this mean you scumread Flum or is there some strategic reason here?