MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

I’m not sure whether to heavily townread or heavily scumread people who are actually writing longwinded justifications for voting for snowy but I’m leaning the latter

so true, byz obvscummed and scumclaimed already

Given the context you provided I don’t know what you’re agreeing with because I didn’t say that lmao

[snowy801]

I don't think making up a stance that I don't actually believe is productive or solves anything.

Incorrect. Bad town play. Who taught you that? Was it DRHK? He would

Demon didn't teach me jack shit. I've been left to figure this all out on my own.

And I literally do not think making up an opinion with no facts to back it up like you're suggested accomplishes anything.

You can think that, but I'm informing you that you're wrong. I'm not being combative, just trying to teach. You can take that as you will.

Although it is kind of late to be doing that in the day. In my defense, I asked you hours ago. Remember, you can always change your vote.

[Bonatogether]

dammit

meant for it to be taken as 'yes, he already obvscummed, so why continue to justify it'

[Rumi Tobari]

Incorrect. Bad town play. Who taught you that? Was it DRHK? He would

Demon didn't teach me jack shit. I've been left to figure this all out on my own.

And I literally do not think making up an opinion with no facts to back it up like you're suggested accomplishes anything.

You can think that, but I'm informing you that you're wrong. I'm not being combative, just trying to teach. You can take that as you will.

Although it is kind of late to be doing that in the day. In my defense, I asked you hours ago. Remember, you can always change your vote.

Instead of telling me I'm wrong. Tell me what it accomplishes. I have comrephension issues, I need explanations. Sometimes more than one.

[Bonatogether]

bona has a fairly sizable content pool despite his coasting though

Is there any direct correspondence that makes you think he’s scummy aside from the absence of solving?

Not that immediately comes to mind, no

hmm

[President Eden]

Every time I play Stellaris with people I feel like they’d rather me not be there
I wish score was like hidden so people didn’t feel the need to compare

We had fun with you and that was before the devs created an entire DLC centered around a mechanic that would be perfect for our comparative level of skill

I feel bad we stopped doing the weekly session, I just burnt out on the game super hard and my past experience is that if I’m burnt out, I suck at hiding it and tank the atmosphere for the group without meaning to

~~~

anyway for something relevant, I quite dislike how much Bona is coasting. I know he was being cheeky with his “I’m caught up so I’ll dip” post, but I suspect he has reached the point of self-aware memeing that he knows he can just openly say that as mafia, actually do it and show open disdain for pretending to solve, and not get called on it. Kind of like how Chaqa does his “we need to stop the scum theater” or “I am the Godfather” chutzpah, but with less audacity and more goofiness. I don’t know if I expect him to sink enormous effort into solving like he did in say M73 (which had the legendary SIMP analysis among other efforts), but I figured he would actually try when he caught up and saw the listlessness of the thread.

i feel this is disingenuous, especially when i’ve made it clear my internet is spotty cause i’m driving around NY and PA. i’ve been catching up as i can, and making some effort as I can, and shitposting as usual will recomense once i get home tonight, but to claim that this is SAI is frankly just irritating and, to ise an over-used phrase, ‘in bad faith’

You haven’t actually point-blank stated that you were on a trip (that I remember anyway), but now that you say so that makes sense from other things you’ve mentioned. I didn’t expect that you were traveling for this game since you invited me to play it—I would have figured you’d pick a game where you wouldn’t be traveling during the peak phases of the game.

I kind of have a hunch that he’s actually busy but that he’s also allowing himself not to make time for the game because he has no hunt motivating him to do it

##VOTE Bonatogether

when has a ‘hunt’ ever motivated me, as any alignment?

Any time you play town you are a highly enthusiastic scumhunter who’s typically pretty solid at the job. When important events happen you’re usually right in the thick of it trying to figure out what they mean. I call that the hunt, you can call it whatever you please, but I don’t see the same energy.

[snowy801]

Demon didn't teach me jack shit. I've been left to figure this all out on my own.

And I literally do not think making up an opinion with no facts to back it up like you're suggested accomplishes anything.

You can think that, but I'm informing you that you're wrong. I'm not being combative, just trying to teach. You can take that as you will.

Although it is kind of late to be doing that in the day. In my defense, I asked you hours ago. Remember, you can always change your vote.

Instead of telling me I'm wrong. Tell me what it accomplishes. I have comrephension issues, I need explanations. Sometimes more than one.

Activity causes reactions, and insight. Your refusal to commit to a cause, though a choice in and of its own, both attempts to shield your own alignment and fails to further game objective choices. If such behavior was normalized (I've seen communities where nobody votes until the last hours because they're "not sure") this game would become a hellish quagmire to tread.

Can't think of too many examples off the top of my head but Chaqa earlier just slapped a vote on Sabi, even though he didn't and still says he doesn't scum read Sabi. Nothing wrong with that, just throw things on the wall and see what sticks.

[snowy801]

Anyway you'll have to excuse me as I'm writing an essay and as per usual I'm rambling and taking 3x the words necessary to get my points across

[ghug]

Anyway you'll have to excuse me as I'm writing an essay and as per usual I'm rambling and taking 3x the words necessary to get my points across

words considered harmful

[Rumi Tobari]

You can think that, but I'm informing you that you're wrong. I'm not being combative, just trying to teach. You can take that as you will.

Although it is kind of late to be doing that in the day. In my defense, I asked you hours ago. Remember, you can always change your vote.

Instead of telling me I'm wrong. Tell me what it accomplishes. I have comrephension issues, I need explanations. Sometimes more than one.

Activity causes reactions, and insight. Your refusal to commit to a cause, though a choice in and of its own, both attempts to shield your own alignment and fails to further game objective choices. If such behavior was normalized (I've seen communities where nobody votes until the last hours because they're "not sure") this game would become a hellish quagmire to tread.

It is not a refusal. It is I do not have any strong opinions of my own. I am more inclined to go along with whatever opinions other have that seem like good ideas.

[snowy801]

Let's get into the meat of the matter.

So last night when I was being cyberbullied by pyxxy and contemplating death (in a video game) I figured well shit looks fucked and disobeyed the first tenet of mafia: don't act out of impulse and told RHK I wanted to peek

And that's the story of how I learned that I am Alex Murphy, the Deathabomber

After my initial round of lmaaaaos to god qt though I got to actually thinking, why do I have this? Sure it could just be coincidence, weirder shit has happened in mafia, but if I compare the probability of me just happening to start out with this card, or even generously assuming some PR visited me (which appear on intuition to be equivalent chances at 1/17?) vs the idea that either Sabi spoke the truth (appearing more likely given this 24h phase's comments) or one of the scum members had one on them and planted it on me (like 5/17? don't check my math that's not the point) you start going hmm right?

Because let's be honest the prevailing mood of N1 was not looking good for lil ole snowy, and if ever there was a "surefire" bomb to be fired off it'd be today, yeah? Bonus points if this scum team is someone who doesn't know me well, to be sure. I mean, how's a new player to know that I can't be miskilled.

But then you get to further thinking: ok now bomb is planted. What do we do with it? Well, you kill Snowy, and then get the 2nd highest wagon to be someone else who you'd want to take out.

If you look at yesterday's progression until I had my high seat rants it was almost entirely "vote snowy" or "let's shop around until we vote for snowy" right? I mean sure there was a loud minority worcej screaming Eden scum and ghug was strangely standing up for me (more on that later) but like there were 4 people parked on me and like 3 more people being like "yeah snowy's probably scum but I'll vote him later"

Enter interest points #1 and #2

At 4 Snowy votes, we see endhammer 1 come in from Sabi. Unexplained, but didn't read much into it. Eden votes me and unendhammers, saying he'll be busy putting it at 6, and then comes Neon with the steel chair

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[for the record I do not know at this point I am Zed Gaczynski]

Why does this comment happen? It's interesting, because Neon has not shown much interest in the thread prior to this and spends most of it shitposting, and then comes in with that slam dunk attempt. What motivates such a post? There's no original ideas in there, they just parrot things other people have been floating around at that point (oh snowy's caught scum, he's shitposting, not trying his best) and then decide lil miss "I have mysterious ways of scum hunting beyond your mere comprehension" decides the best way to spend day 2 is to just hammer me and not do anything else of note. Evidence: next post is about gacha game and there are no further posts, despite me knowing for sure they were online for significant spurts afterwards.

And you know, the death bomber. Why would you even suspect that? I didn't, until I literally peeked. Like who just thinks "I'm going to vote for this guy but I'm scared he has the death bomb"

Oh wait, Sabi does
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Let's go on a tangent here about Vecna. Now if I were scum in any given game and Vecna wasn't on my team I'd be 1) extremely sad and 2) be looking to kill him off at first notice. Which is why I'm extremely suspicious of the emergent wagon on me since
1) I now believe I've been planted a bomb and scum knows that
2) I don't see any reason to scum read Vecna, and so this whole operation seems opportunistic (though I do remember that one game where bozo clowned on us as obvscum and ghug very explicitly said something like "he [vecna]'s never going to give you a slam dunk scum read so you just have to take a leap of faith" and can see a perspective where he's doing just that
3) Where did rdrivera come from? Kinda weird

I'm kind of off this train of thought now since I've felt better about ghug since I've caught up + recent interactions + other thoughts but something to think about: why Vecna?

Anyway moving on, so Neon right. I mean to repeat, prevailing sentiment was that I was as close to a slam dunk as we're going to get, and it does look like that as said sentiment was crystalizing into something solid, Neon wanted to drive it home and get the planned d2 objective right?

On that note as bona catching up sees Neon's post and just slaps a on it which I gave big town points for because damn does that look like a bus. Not to deter your poor attempts at fatherhood or anything Eden

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And then we wake up this morning to see some very interesting reactions (I know I included some morning posts already sue me)

In particular, some people are very vocal about Neon being a major wagon. Most of those people (Jamiet and Sabi in particular) are equally vocal about my being scum. Now I don't particularly see Jamiet as being scum, as if he is he's playing better than I would ever have expected of him.

But Sabi you know, went from hard town reading Byz by trying to explain how towny they were, and then backtracking and saying they don't think he's towny at all just want to give a free d1 pass to a new invitee (perfectly reasonable, but why not say so instead of making up reasons to make him look townier than you believed?)

And then same slot they're like "yeah get snowy what a scumbag" and later goes like "well I might've been just doing that cause I'm upset at the damo flip" (?????)

Something something natural progressions. Also I'm not going to quote any of this but I can dig it up if your goldfish memories fails to remember any of this happening so feel burdened to ask

Now they're terrified that Neon is the counter wagon because they're paranoid that I might have a bomb (lucky guess I'm sure) and wants ghug, then bona, but can't give reasons why they scum read any of them nor why they hard town Neon except vague handwaving at "if you read her posts you'd know" or "the vanilla card!!!"

On the vanilla card thing as the premiere expert on all things mafia that is not a hard town tell. I suppose I should be glad it's only Jamiet and Sabi saying such nonsense

There's a lot more to be said and I imagine I'll be saying them soon but for now I want to cut it off here since I guess the most important part of this post is that I have the bomb which other people have no reasonable way of knowing.

Sad thing is I could entirely see town Sabi doing all this because to them people I like = town and people I dislike = scum, but eh I'd put my foot down on this

tl;dr vote Prius for best value car
P.S. the mafiauniverse revolution and its consequences has been devastating to not using buzzwords in lieu of actual thought

[snowy801]

I feel like I wrote a lot less on Vecna than I meant to there but point is I don't particularly find fault in the wagon even though I'd like rdrivera to come and solve this game for me and ghug's been looking better for me over time

Vecna himself is probably fine? See above post

[snowy801]

Oh ghug voters also kinda sus (looking at you pyxxy, Celaph - when did he even show up?)

I have no idea where Chaqa squeezes into any of this. If anyone has wisdom to share now's an appropriate time

[snowy801]

##vote ghug because ties considered good. Also, sleep considered good.

[ghug]

Oh boy

[Rumi Tobari]

Oh ghug voters also kinda sus (looking at you pyxxy, Celaph - when did he even show up?)

I have no idea where Chaqa squeezes into any of this. If anyone has wisdom to share now's an appropriate time

I mean... we've been under the impresison chaqa has the vote0. But if you have the deathbomb that changes alot.

Actually, now I'm wondering if Sabi ever had it at all.

[ghug]

First thought is yeet snowy so we get two kills.

[snowy801]

But you know, by all means explain to me how Neon is obvtown because of vanilla cards Sabi and Jamiet

I think pyxxy was trying to support that argument to. I'm very curious to hear from you on this subject

[snowy801]

First thought is yeet snowy so we get two kills.

Do it bitch

[Rumi Tobari]

First thought is yeet snowy so we get two kills.

There's actually valid reasoning to this. It would remove the nametag from play.