MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

btw I fundamentally refuse to vote for anyone except Maniac or Bunny

^whilst being wrong about at least 50% of his targets, this is a very townie post.

Agreed. Even though I know for a fact he's wrong about 50% and probably 100%.

[Nephthys]

@Neph:

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viewtopic.php?p=104898#p104898

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I'll admit some are better...but all are honest, and involved digging, thinking, investigating, and questioning.

Your turn...

Only two of those could ever be considered cases....

How about you take that and do it to one of your scumreads?

[Nephthys]

btw I fundamentally refuse to vote for anyone except Maniac or Bunny

^whilst being wrong about at least 50% of his targets, this is a very townie post.

Agreed. Even though I know for a fact he's wrong about 50% and probably 100%.

This is so scummy it hurts.

[BunnyGo]

you and kalel WERE my scumreads...

[BunnyGo]

Those were my exonerations...

The case I made on Sulit before was merely putting together posts I'd made earlier separately...

The case I made on Tem...also done...but there's not much there there.

[BunnyGo]

Previous posts on Tem:

I'm working through it now, but so far they are the only surviving pair I've found who both:

1) Never voted on each other
2) Never were on the same wagon

Vaporwave did vote on Tem at start of game. But they have never been on same wagon at same time.

Well...I'm really unimpressed with Temasek. Definitely moving to a scum-lean.

He's almost entirely interacting with noobs. Trying to pocket me by complimenting some jokes of mine.

Piling on Kalel for noob errors.

Votes almost entirely for Kalel, Kitsune, and Yuuki. Lousy and lazy reasons given every time.

Talks about time zone issues. Doesn't do any puzzle solving when his time zone is awake.

Encouraged Jamie to "shoot now"

Hasn't posted anything of substance period.

##VOTE Tem

Nothing more is needed, because he hasn't done anything more...

[Nephthys]

Those were my exonerations...

The case I made on Sulit before was merely putting together posts I'd made earlier separately...

The case I made on Tem...also done...but there's not much there there.

THAT. IS. IMPORTANT.

@Everyone, please take a moment to consider this.

Across 3 days, none of his cases can stand up to an ISO.

How can you guys not see how fabricated all of his reads are?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!

[BunnyGo]

Any other homework I can do for you, @Neph?

[Chaqa]

I'm not saying Bunny can't be scum, I'm just saying I'm not voting for him yet. Better to get the more obvious targets first and let Vision sort out some of the others.

[BunnyGo]

Neph...you seem earnest, but you don't seem to be thinking. Try and put something together. Challenge yourself. I do every time I go digging. I pick the person I'm most worried about, and then dig. Through everything.

The post I did on you, was because I was sure you were scummy. But after digging, I changed my mind and made a big post.

Same for Kalel.

Tem got a shorter post because there wasn't much evidence to cite, but I went through it all first.

I've literally been researching EVERYONE from my most town and most scum reads in to my most unsure reads. Challenging my assumptions first.

What's your problem with this?

[Nephthys]

Neph...you seem earnest, but you don't seem to be thinking. Try and put something together. Challenge yourself. I do every time I go digging. I pick the person I'm most worried about, and then dig. Through everything.

The post I did on you, was because I was sure you were scummy. But after digging, I changed my mind and made a big post.

Same for Kalel.

Tem got a shorter post because there wasn't much evidence to cite, but I went through it all first.

I've literally been researching EVERYONE from my most town and most scum reads in to my most unsure reads. Challenging my assumptions first.

What's your problem with this?

Except you never said I was scummy, you said you were concerned I was pocketing you. Not that I was scummy.

Interesting that you've posted so few of your research results. That really isn't pro town

[Nephthys]

Anyway, fuck it,

No ones listening so I'm out

@Fox
@Darg
@Jamie

Please all have a read of my long posts re the case on Bunny and Maniac.

[BunnyGo]

@neph:

OK, I see sulit, maniac, and food here. Gimme something.

Yeah it's too quiet for my liking.

Let's say EP and Maniac are both town. Where are the scum?

Quick look at the bot...

Tem, dargo and damo jump at me

Assuming the following are town:

Xorxes
Jamie
EP
Maniac

Then I believe the following are also town:

rdriv
Fox

So we're running out of scum. I guess it leaves:

Kalel
damo
Neph
Temasek

as my leading list

[BunnyGo]

Anyways man...I think you're trying, I think you've just gone off course (like me). Try something different...let's hope vision helps us at night...

[BunnyGo]

Anyways man...I think you're trying, I think you've just gone off course (like me). Try something different...let's hope vision helps us at night...

And though it won't help me at all (since I know what I am), if it helps the team narrow things down...take a peek tonight vision, show the world.

[sulit]

tumbles into the thread

hello court!

the case against me seems to be that I am heavily lurking, which I do not deny

I have been trying to push ut things to the best of my ability, but I simply have more important things to tend to IRL, before I can pay attention to the game.

I am truly sorry, and would request for a replacement had there been any in line to replace in. I am a dead weight, and I have an hour to spare so I'll try and expand upon my earlier thoughts.

At the beginning of this phase, I posted a list of the people I wanted to be vision checked.

These people are Maniac, rdivera, foodcoats, and Kalel

>Maniac
Maniac has pinged for a while now. Looking through his ISO, let's start at day one. At a glance, he seems to be active and using his vote, but if we look deeper into the list of people he shaded and pushed... His ISO worsens. This list includes xorsex, Vaporwave, worcej, Bunny, and EP. At a glance, this doesn't seem too bad, yes? He is making reads, yes? However, Maniac said he was experienced, and had played the game before. And, two people in this list have flipped town, one I townread (Bunny), and one has claimed doctor. Vaporwave is iffy, but so far I do not like this pattern. For those saying it is just D1 reads, let us move to N1/D2. Maniac adds brainbomb, who has flipped town. He also jokingly counterclaims the vig. Now, people started townleaning him for this, but the post, at least in my eyes, was obviously a joke. Some say scum wouldn't have the guts to do this, but, as stated before, Maniac had claimed that he's experienced with mafia, and he'd have more confidence as scum to make a joke like this. So I disagree with the people that say this claim gives him townpoints. As we move further through his ISO, you can see he makes some okish posts mixed with some banter, he posts he still scumreads Vaporwave and brainbomb, and also adds Kitsune to the list. We move farther through his ISO and he starts to get suspicious of EP. At first this seems fair. I hadn't really read through much of EP's iso, but from the posts about him and from skimming through bb's case on him, he seemed like a good push. But then EP claims doctor. And Maniac says it's completely fake. I honestly don't know what to think about this. On one hand, EP claimed doctor, and Maniac kept pushing him (possibly to get a PR lynch?). No one cced. On the other hand, this seems like a really bold thing to do, even if Maniac is experienced. I'm currently leaning towards the first option because I do not like Maniac. IF he flips town I'd be glad to look more into EP, but as of now Maniac is low on my scumlist. Notable things he does after this is he makes a large case hunting the SK, which is also scummy because uh
hes hunting the serial killer xd

anyways, I would put this on scumread, and would like vision to check this slot, and would be happy with lynching it.

>Rdivera
Ladida. I'm going to be hypocritical here for a second about SK hunting. I think rdivera is the SK. D1 he was on bozo's wagon (who was lynched). D2 he was on yuuki (who was also lynched). Right now, he is on Temasek. My 3rd party hunting isn't amazing, probably because it is easy for them to blend in, but this puts up red flags. If I am not mistaken, rdivera is the only one who has consistienly been on top wagons

SKLEAN
>Foodcoats
The main reason why I put this here was on gut and impulse. People I do not remember much from/don't stand out to me in a large way are usually where I start looking for scum. At this instance, I did not really remember much on foodcoats. I wanted to look into them more later. While I was at school, however, I remembered that they claimed roleblock. I thought about it for a bit, and resolved to iso them later. As I was reading through their ISO, their D1 seems really towny and full of analysis.
-I got lazy here because I got bored and update I am now hungry as well-
But really just scanning through their ISO, nothing really jumps out at me as immediately scummy. While I can't seem to remember much from them, it might just be due to my limited amount of time to read the thread closely. He jumps in on the brainbomb conflict instead of avoiding it, as I think a scum might do. He tries to get involved. He has good analysis.

Townlean.

>Kalel
Oh boyo. If I remember correctly, they are new to FM. If they're not I apologize. Their D1 posts seem to be from a more experienced player. On one hand, they seem to be trying hard and providing reads, which is good to TR a newbie on. On the other hand, there's a possibility they're being coached. I looked closely through their posts, and, also because I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I really hate it when people accuse newer people of being coached, because it could just be they're learning in growing, I'm leaning towards they're a newbie trying their best. What really scared me here was their request for protection. They hadn't seemed like a big townread, and the question just seemed really weird to me, but when I think about it, it doesn't necessarily seem scum motivated. While it may be scummy because they're trying to draw protection away from other townies, I don't think a newer person to FM would think about this, and I think it is a genuine request, no matter how weird it sounds. Reading through the rest of their iso, they continue to make good posts and push on reads. Their one post about being newer to forum mafia gave me town pings. It seemed honest and it just feels towny to me.

Townlean.

TLDR: Sulit is hungry and grumpy and her eyes hurt. Also, sulit scumreads rdivera and maniac, and townleans kalel and foodcoats. Sulit wants to make another post on damo and temawhatshisface but fears she will not have time (and she wants a snack)

drumroll please

my first vote

is being placed

are you ready

##Vote Maniac

(did I do that right)

[BunnyGo]

##Vote Maniac

(did I do that right)

Yes, your vote was recorded.

[foodcoats]

>Maniac
Maniac has pinged for a while now. Looking through his ISO, let's start at day one. At a glance, he seems to be active and using his vote, but if we look deeper into the list of people he shaded and pushed... His ISO worsens. This list includes xorsex, Vaporwave, worcej, Bunny, and EP. At a glance, this doesn't seem too bad, yes? He is making reads, yes? However, Maniac said he was experienced, and had played the game before. And, two people in this list have flipped town, one I townread (Bunny), and one has claimed doctor. Vaporwave is iffy, but so far I do not like this pattern. For those saying it is just D1 reads, let us move to N1/D2. Maniac adds brainbomb, who has flipped town. He also jokingly counterclaims the vig. Now, people started townleaning him for this, but the post, at least in my eyes, was obviously a joke. Some say scum wouldn't have the guts to do this, but, as stated before, Maniac had claimed that he's experienced with mafia, and he'd have more confidence as scum to make a joke like this. So I disagree with the people that say this claim gives him townpoints. As we move further through his ISO, you can see he makes some okish posts mixed with some banter, he posts he still scumreads Vaporwave and brainbomb, and also adds Kitsune to the list. We move farther through his ISO and he starts to get suspicious of EP. At first this seems fair. I hadn't really read through much of EP's iso, but from the posts about him and from skimming through bb's case on him, he seemed like a good push. But then EP claims doctor. And Maniac says it's completely fake. I honestly don't know what to think about this. On one hand, EP claimed doctor, and Maniac kept pushing him (possibly to get a PR lynch?). No one cced. On the other hand, this seems like a really bold thing to do, even if Maniac is experienced. I'm currently leaning towards the first option because I do not like Maniac. IF he flips town I'd be glad to look more into EP, but as of now Maniac is low on my scumlist. Notable things he does after this is he makes a large case hunting the SK, which is also scummy because uh
hes hunting the serial killer xd

anyways, I would put this on scumread, and would like vision to check this slot, and would be happy with lynching it.

Damn that's a good case on Maniac.

[foodcoats]

Don't sub out sulit.

##VOTE Maniac

[Chaqa]

Yes, I am actually feeling pretty good about Sulit from that post, and questioning why I stopped pushing against Maniac... Ah, fuck it.

##Vote Maniac