Re: MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:07 pm
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This post Hamilton?Maniac wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:08 pmSo let me get this straight...
There are only two possibilities. There is either (a) Alien PsychoTrooper or (b) there isn't and that role reverses all investigations. It's a fun role so good chance that if it was dealt then someone would choose it.
Damo666 has an innocent scan on Celaph which means (a1) Celaph is town or Alien. As there are far more town roles than Alien, it's more likely he is town or (b1) Celaph is Mafia.
So the recommendation is we kill Celaph to see if there is an alien PsychoTrooper.
Pros: (a2) Alien PsychoTrooper exists
1 - If Celaph flips scum we know for sure if there is a PsychoTrooper (unless he is an Alien). Because Mafia already knew if Celaph was Mafia and now he has an inno scan, they already know if there is a PsychoTrooper so they don't learn any more.
2 - we can do some VCA if celaph is Mafia
3 - we have killed a mafia
Cons:
None
Pros: (b2) Alien PsychoTrooper doesn't exists
1 - We learn that psychotrooper doesn't exist.
Cons:
1 - We lose a Townie
Are there other ways of determining if PsychoTrooper exists?
Yes. If there is no RB then damo can get a collection of scans and as soon as any of those don't tie up with their flip a Psychotrooper is exposed.
Or the Coroner can investigate a dead body and to see who killed them.
What good does knowing about PschoTropper do for us?
If Damo is RB/Killed we might never get anymore scans anyway.
On balance it's worth killing Celaph for info, that may only be VCA
Say more about this please. I'm not following your thoughts entirely.Maniac wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:15 pmThis is interesting:
damo666: No. Not celaph today
Kgray: Why? Do you townread him? You don't even seem to have strong scumreads that could be other candidates, so what's wrong with celaph?
damo666 (to Bona): LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU celaph is NOT alien
damo666: "Oh thanks. Cross post with my subsequent post.
We should definitely daykill celaph then."
Kgray: How come you didn't support this before it was pointed out that we could use celaph's flip to determine if there was a psychotrooper? I feel like you should have come to that conclusion on your own after getting an alien scan on someone. [my emphasis added]
I know many of you don't believe in scumslips, but this looks like Kgray believes Damo has a scan different to what Damo has alluded to.
It's enough for me to ##voteKgray.
I'll go dig up my old posts, but I was shading them yesterday; as much as anyone can D1.Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:20 pmThe very same. You're a Celaph (makes me sing the jingle of SellOffVacations.com in my head) voter. Why? I didn't have you as being sus of them in my notes.
Yes in effect Damo has said he has an innocent scan and Kgray has called that an alien scan. Does she (Kgray) know celaph is alien and that there is a psychotrooper making damo666 scan read as inno.Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:23 pmNot sure where the post is exactly but I think Damo declared themselves as not alien, right?
Ah, can you spell out what her alignment would have to be for it to be a slip (as opposed to a mistyping)?
Thanks; just checking to see how it carried over from D1 to D2.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:25 pmFor Hamilton found by searching for my posts mentioning "celaph*" during d1:
I had just voted them
Further explanation
Discussing his lurking
Asking other's opinions
Final vote and statement nothing had changed my initial read
Thinking about this more:BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:28 pmAh, can you spell out what her alignment would have to be for it to be a slip (as opposed to a mistyping)?
I think it needs to be the following:
1) She's an alien
2) She know's celaph is/isn't
3) She know's the psychotrooper isn't/is in play
So I guess just her being alien is enough and believing damo.
I am very interested to see where you're going with this HB.Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:46 pmWould they really? TIme zones kind of matter too. It's been so in my head that I just skimmed yesterday's and this morning pages with only half attention. I think that if we can flip this person it will be good for town...be they scum or alien. I just can't think why town would overtly lie.
What would town gain by lying about a claim?
(is that the type of questioning of mine that's been bothering you Donny?)
To be fair, a wagon can form in under five minutes, but if there's a chance you've made an error in reasoning definitely give it a bit longer than that.Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:56 pmDefinitely not brainbomb.
I think I'm going to leave it alone for right now. I need to time this right because I don't want to out anything too late for a wagon to form. I want to do some investigating because I don't want to rest on my laurels. It's only one person out of at least 3.