M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

If you're referring to why no interaction with lurkers if I scumread them it's just because they never showed up to engage.

[e.m.c^42]

So I have no idea what you are saying lol

[brainbomb]

I doubt im the nk. but emc might get roleblocked.

and then who even knows what will happen. maybe youll lynch me

[e.m.c^42]

This just occurred to me, but has no one mentioned the possibility that we have a town jailer?

We have talked quite a lot about the Jailor.

What made you think that discussion was based on the assumption that the Jailor was scum?

It didn't occur to me otherwise lol

[rdrivera2005]

@rdr who is on your scum list?

Dargo and Nepthys are on it for sure. Fox will probably make the top three.

I feel like there is a scum between the lurkers (besides Dargo) and another one hiding in plain sight, like Jamiet, Brain or Xorxes or even Vecna, but I can't really build a case on any of them. Summit improved and I removed from my list.

I have many nulls, which are another problem: flash, Damo, Sarah, Demon.

The rest are all townleans?

bozotheclown
Chaqa
e.m.c^42
foodcoats
kgray

Why do you townlean emc? Is it only because of "scum wouldn't do that", or do you think he has been towny enough to compensate for Donny?

Yes, the others are townleans unless I forgot some nulls.

From this list Chaqa and Food are the most towny, I don't believe the random thing, so Rod and Neighbour should he town roles. I have agreed within many things Kgray said to the point she was worried with buddying. Bozo is another thing, he could be the scum hiding in plain sight like you or Brain, but like you two I lean town on him.
Emc is another thing. I will use the motivation meme. What is the motivation forc scum to claim Universal Backup of a lynched and janitored player? This thing is so unlikely to be claimed by scum that I think he is either town or still a 3P with a Tracker ability (even in this case it's unlikely as scum will eventually kill a Tracker). It could also make sense if he has a recruiting 3P role, but in this case it's a really convoluted thing that involves Chaqa and Food. But I don't want to enter this kind of possibility unless they stay alive too long.

[e.m.c^42]

re: "jailer"

Forgive my typo and misremembering then, I was awake and on-off the thread at that point somewhere around twenty-third hour. Sleep was needed lmao.

[kgray]

I like the wagon analysis from summit. I think it's a very towny effort and for the most part I think it's accurate. This is something that stands out to me:

Bozo: Seemed more confident in claiming Bismarck as scum but waivered with 3 and half hours to go. "Less inclined to want to lynch BismarkAlive or Vecna based on their more recent posts" Jumped on the wagon with 13 minutes to go.

@bozo, what was it about Bismarck's later posts that made you less inclined to lynch him?

[Vecna]

Dargo and Nepthys are on it for sure. Fox will probably make the top three.

I feel like there is a scum between the lurkers (besides Dargo) and another one hiding in plain sight, like Jamiet, Brain or Xorxes or even Vecna, but I can't really build a case on any of them. Summit improved and I removed from my list.

I have many nulls, which are another problem: flash, Damo, Sarah, Demon.

The rest are all townleans?

bozotheclown
Chaqa
e.m.c^42
foodcoats
kgray

Why do you townlean emc? Is it only because of "scum wouldn't do that", or do you think he has been towny enough to compensate for Donny?

Yes, the others are townleans unless I forgot some nulls.

From this list Chaqa and Food are the most towny, I don't believe the random thing, so Rod and Neighbour should he town roles. I have agreed within many things Kgray said to the point she was worried with buddying. Bozo is another thing, he could be the scum hiding in plain sight like you or Brain, but like you two I lean town on him.
Emc is another thing. I will use the motivation meme. What is the motivation forc scum to claim Universal Backup of a lynched and janitored player? This thing is so unlikely to be claimed by scum that I think he is either town or still a 3P with a Tracker ability (even in this case it's unlikely as scum will eventually kill a Tracker). It could also make sense if he has a recruiting 3P role, but in this case it's a really convoluted thing that involves Chaqa and Food. But I don't want to enter this kind of possibility unless they stay alive too long.

Theres also another very obvious explenation that xorxes isnt thinking of.

The playerlist was smarter than what the gm wanted. Reducing the 3rd party faction to just one role as EMC is describing is most likely a very easy way to reduce the overall setup and accomodate the number of people that signed up.

[Vecna]

smarter=smaller

[kgray]

I really want to emphasise this. At 2pm PDT it is 11pm in Saxony (Maybe some of Saxony is GMT+1).

I believe it is unreasonable, given how Bismarck was playing, to come to the conclusion that an unvote at end of day 2 was a likely result.

Regardless of summit being incorrect about Bismarck's timezone or how much I'd agree with his point even if it was correct, I don't think this is an argument scum makes. Summit is seeming very towny.

[brainbomb]

emc posted over 300 times.

maybe scums goal is to not lurk at all. assuming emc is scum it could signal a ho volume scumteam.just rambling and rambling up at the top of the post count unchecked and unchallenged

[brainbomb]

I dont particularly find xorx or jamie scum but if scum wanted to just be very active to flood the gamethread its possible they decided to just talk alot.

unlikely tho

[TheMarche]

Emc, I now almost definitely townread you.
The fact you weren't kicked suggests me you're town. (probably worcej didn't want to compromise the game and 3 deaths for town in two days probably would have resulted in almost certainly losing).

I am curious about chaqa's neighbourhood. I get why you three are defending each other: i'd share more information if i was only with reliable people, so if you trust each other this makes sense.

[xorxes]

2 questions Xorxes:

If you think im actively scummy, why havent you made any mention of this before? Why havent you pushed me as you normally would have?

I only started thinking this after your EOD's catch-up walls.

Do you think im scum together with EMC after the way I picked up on and pushed Donny? Or is it a thing where you think its T/S?

Not sure. I thought your push of Donny was towny, but I will have to reread it with my new perspective of you to see if I buy it as a bus. I still maintain a stronger scumread of Donny and by extension emc, and I was surprized that you obviously didn't share it. It may be because you have interacted with emc way less than I have.

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Actually some more, since this bothers me

Why is brainbomb town? What about Neph?

brainbomb I have explained. Neph because of extreme goofiness, but I may be wrong there.

Why are you ok with having a group of 6 that youre not trying to sort, but they dont bother you much? Is that just a weird way of saying theyre null?

Basically yes. I have not had the time yet to get much into them, and nothing from them called my attention enough to look deeper.

[TheMarche]

emc posted over 300 times.

maybe scums goal is to not lurk at all. assuming emc is scum it could signal a ho volume scumteam.just rambling and rambling up at the top of the post count unchecked and unchallenged

If I was scum, I'd try to act with separated strategies. Some should be lurkers, some should talk a lot.

[kgray]

kgray
Day-2 29:46
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↑Jamiet99uk: "What were you doing, then? Deliberately plonking your vote on a wagon you didn't think was viable?"

emc and Chaqa were talking about having a counter wagon in case some mechanics things happened we didn't know about. I thought maybe Donny could be lynchproof, or someone could have some sort of power that lets them cast extra votes, or change a vote or something. So I was just trying to make sure that if Donny wasn't lynched for some reason, then Sarah would be the lynch instead.

If you thought donny was lynchproof wouldnt you have mentioned it? why would you start a vanity wagon and not say

"hey fam, donny cant die hes lynchproof"

I didn't think Donny was lynchproof, but there was the possibility that something could have happened near the EOD that would cause another player to be lynched instead (or in addition to, I guess). I didn't start a vanity wagon, just helped Sarah's wagon become significantly bigger than the other non-Donny wagons. Why don't you ask emc and Chaqa why they wanted the backup wagon?

[kgray]

I disagree, kgray. This is how I am thinking about this important discussion:
21 people so, what would be REASONABLE scum number? 5?
Then we have 3p which is another faction we have to get rid of. So let's assume total people Town have to get rid of is 6.
So, 15 Town, 1 3p, and 5 mafia.
Now, assume Donny is Tracker as he claimed (Town). He dies, EMC takes over that. I would posit that EMC was originally Town, since it would be unfair to the setup if mafia EMC could then become Town if Donny was Town. Not so unfair if scum Donny dies, since mafia would stay the same.
So if my numbers are correct, we now have 20 people split up as 14 Town, 5 mafia and a 3p.
This is important, because we have to have some notion of what numbers of enemies we as Town are dealing with.

I really don't know what would be a reasonable number of mafia/3p. This is my third game of forum mafia, and my first with a closed setup, a 3rd party, and tons of roles. I cannot comment on what would be "fair" to any of the factions, I was simply stating what I thought was possible based on the wording of the information we do have.

Are you saying you think that emc is lying about originally being 3rd party, and you think emc started out as a town universal backup? If so, walk me through why emc does this.

the effort to engage bismark really goes off course into mech talk which kgray vooced as being uninteresting to her

lol Bismarck is the one who engaged with me about mechanics. And I never said it was uninteresting.

[e.m.c^42]

emc posted over 300 times.

maybe scums goal is to not lurk at all. assuming emc is scum it could signal a ho volume scumteam.just rambling and rambling up at the top of the post count unchecked and unchallenged

Oh hey, xorx-me was scum theatre? That's a beautiful idea, thank you.

[xorxes]

What is this connection you speak off? Dont remember that

I explained in a subsequent post. I was hoping to get some feedback from you on that as you caught up but you commented on other more trivial stuff and you said nothing on this topic.

I was reading for like 4-5 hours straight, and trying to hurry to be done before EoD.

You'll have to excuse me if I glossed over some of your posts, because after a while this 1v1 between you and EMC became very tiresome (and I think youre wrong).

No, I mean the N2 posts. You were responding to an N2 post of mine there, you continued responding to night posts after that so you must have read my explanation, but you didn't respond.

[kgray]

Also, earlier D2 Bismarck said this: "And I can confirm that I have a Town role on this island. Sure, a minor role, but a Town role nonetheless." It is now obvious he was downplaying his role to avoid being a NK target, but that was not as obvious when he claimed, it looked like he could have been claiming a strong role to avoid the lynch.

Yeah this is exactly what I thought too.