M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Col7by]

This is not what I’d expect from Col7by

Bumping this

This was a pretty sus thing you said, tying the vote was a bad proposal

It may have been but it is one of 3 or 4 examples of him trying to paint me in a bad light after I followed up twice on looking at him next

[FlaviusAetius]

It took Fox 33 minutes to make his meta case discrediting Balki.

Not impossible, but impressively speedy.

This supports the notion that Fox had it in his grudge folder. That is, this stuff from years ago was so seared in his mind he was able to find it relatively quickly, or he literally had some of this stuff saved or something.

Alternatively, it could be part of a coordinated plan with Balki.

Here I would post a detailed case, but not doing that this game probably.

I'm not impressed with Fox's day, and his love for voting Dip is

I think he is Mafia, but of course it's possible I'm wrong.

Then again, I'm 100% so far so maybe y'all will listen.

I said this before and I'll say it again I wont vote Fox until I see his spreadsheet. The longer he delays his spreadsheet giving the more I think he is a mafia. But we should still see the thing, EVERYONE should want to see it.
1. if you think he is mafia, then seeing this spreadsheet that is likely being workshopped by the mafia gives us keen insight into what their thinking
2. if you think he is town, then reading his reads are an important part of what would make the case for that
3. if you think he is NAI right now, then this is whats going to move you over the edge one way or the other
4. if you are fox then you talk about your spreadsheet so much, share us the results!

[ghug]

ghug, day 3 is almost here which means I might start suspecting you soon.

I'm very clearly town, and also you have to add up to four days to account for the tadpole.

You are not very clearly town, you've spoken a bunch and yet your alignment still confuses people. The ONLY reason I dont think you are #1 mafia right now is because Diplomacy is dead so I now need to rethink your reasonings

I don't expect you to think I'm very clearly town but I do think someone like Flum should be able to get there.

[FlaviusAetius]

Bumping this

This was a pretty sus thing you said, tying the vote was a bad proposal

It may have been but it is one of 3 or 4 examples of him trying to paint me in a bad light after I followed up twice on looking at him next

I think its pretty natural for someone to start suspecting you after you suspect them

[FlaviusAetius]

I thought about it more and I agree. I wasn't thinking about basic strategy.

That’s ok. Walk me through slowly please.

Through what?

I also want to learn about your reasonings

[Jamiet99uk]

Your profile pic references Chaqa, who was subbed out for yoyo, who is still alive.

I am not conveying any game related information through my profile picture.

Do you understand that nobody trusts what you're saying because you've blatantly violated the rule in the past?

Incorrect. When I did a thing with my profile picture that first time, there was no rule.

I also do not care very much. There is already a mechanism for dealing with this if it really bothers you. If you think that my profile picture is Mafia-indicative, you may vote me.

[FlaviusAetius]

It took Fox 33 minutes to make his meta case discrediting Balki.

Not impossible, but impressively speedy.

This supports the notion that Fox had it in his grudge folder. That is, this stuff from years ago was so seared in his mind he was able to find it relatively quickly, or he literally had some of this stuff saved or something.

Alternatively, it could be part of a coordinated plan with Balki.

Here I would post a detailed case, but not doing that this game probably.

I'm not impressed with Fox's day, and his love for voting Dip is

I think he is Mafia, but of course it's possible I'm wrong.

Then again, I'm 100% so far so maybe y'all will listen.

I really didn't want to dispel the magic for BunnyGo, but in order to clear this up: I had ChatGPT write a python script that scanned the past games on the bot to identify which ones Balki and I had been in together. It was the work of minutes, including having to pivot to searching the txt pages rather than the HTML pages due to the program running into SSL issues at first. From there, it was a simple matter of copying in the bot search URL that looks for Balki* talking about Fox*, updating the game number, and then finding the quotes that made my point.

This must have been insanely hard, or insanely easy Im not really sure I dont know how to code, but still seems like a lot of effort

[FlaviusAetius]

HELP im not even a top 10 poster for the phase

I am washed

Im voting you next day, as a professional yapper such as myself, we do not simply stop yapping unless something else has come up. You have not claimed you were busy with something else, only reason I havent talked a bunch this night is because I had an interview Im getting a second one BTW

YOU on the other hand, nothing. Very sus!

[FlaviusAetius]

Your thoughts at the time you posted it

Pretty much an empty head.

Looking for ammo, scumbunny?

Was hoping to learn you're actually thinking and hunting rather than just posting sh**.

Sadly it seems you're just scum spamming.

This response was not towny.

Facts, we are beyond the point of posting nonsense now, we have lots to analyze, sweet if you think Bunny is mafia then say so why

[Col7by]

This was a pretty sus thing you said, tying the vote was a bad proposal

It may have been but it is one of 3 or 4 examples of him trying to paint me in a bad light after I followed up twice on looking at him next

I think its pretty natural for someone to start suspecting you after you suspect them

But it was cherry picking reasons when I was trying to follow up on what dip said earlier. It was never addressing my original accusation

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm glad Flavius came back to webDip Mafia. I like the way he plays.

[FlaviusAetius]

Alr I'm caught up and have a few things to say.
Thing 1:
I have a new reads list
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I keep going back and forth on damo's alignment though. I feel like I'm missing something.

Noted.

I think Im going to look at everything sweet has said

[Jamiet99uk]

HELP im not even a top 10 poster for the phase

I am washed

This was your second post of the phase so of course you are not a top poster.

Why even say this?

[FlaviusAetius]

It may have been but it is one of 3 or 4 examples of him trying to paint me in a bad light after I followed up twice on looking at him next

I think its pretty natural for someone to start suspecting you after you suspect them

But it was cherry picking reasons when I was trying to follow up on what dip said earlier. It was never addressing my original accusation

What was your original accusation? I dont know much about what you said since you havent said much this is the most interaction IM getting with you right now so tell me the original accusation

[ghug]

I am not conveying any game related information through my profile picture.

Do you understand that nobody trusts what you're saying because you've blatantly violated the rule in the past?

Incorrect. When I did a thing with my profile picture that first time, there was no rule.

I also do not care very much. There is already a mechanism for dealing with this if it really bothers you. If you think that my profile picture is Mafia-indicative, you may vote me.

You need to stop lying about this and playing the victim, Jamie. The rule was created, to address your actions, and clearly communicated, and then you broke it. Instead of blaming everyone else for continuing to question you, maybe consider why we're in the situation in the first place and quit toeing the line for a little while.

To everyone else who's concerned, I agree that Jamie probably is actually following the rule here and just trying to have a little fun, despite my own frustrations. I'd advise not thinking anything of it with the understanding that if he ruins another game he likely won't be playing again.

[FlaviusAetius]

In all seriousness, Jamie, how would you describe damo’s scum game? If you were describing it prior to the start of this game? How would you contrast it to his town game?

Town Damo is usually a very low-impact poster D1, who tends to ramp up the quality and quantity of his posts through D2 and D3. He gets involved a bit if asked questions but often doesn't stand out. He has a habit of naked voting (by which I mean, voting without explanation), but will usually explain his reasoning when asked. In the past I have sometimes clashed with Town Damo early in games because I have been critical of his lack of action, or I have been annoyed by naked votes.

Once he has data available to him, Town Damo starts to go into computational analysis mode and starts spitting out pairs and percentages and theories; sometimes right, sometimes wrong, but usually interesting.

Damo traditionally does not like rolling scum. Scum Damo deals with this anxiety by being a bit more jokey and can also be a bit more abrasive. Scum Damo, I think, sometimes comes across as quite inorganic and can struggle to articulate the reasons for his reads or votes. However, Scum Damo does not panic when under pressure; he does not flap or flail.

Agreed.

We repeatedly told damo that voting for HB and not explaining his reasoning was not going to fly, its on him for why he got vigilante'd and he probs would of died D2 if he wasn't vigilanted. I for one am glad he was.

[FlaviusAetius]

Do you understand that nobody trusts what you're saying because you've blatantly violated the rule in the past?

Incorrect. When I did a thing with my profile picture that first time, there was no rule.

I also do not care very much. There is already a mechanism for dealing with this if it really bothers you. If you think that my profile picture is Mafia-indicative, you may vote me.

You need to stop lying about this and playing the victim, Jamie. The rule was created, to address your actions, and clearly communicated, and then you broke it. Instead of blaming everyone else for continuing to question you, maybe consider why we're in the situation in the first place and quit toeing the line for a little while.

To everyone else who's concerned, I agree that Jamie probably is actually following the rule here and just trying to have a little fun, despite my own frustrations. I'd advise not thinking anything of it with the understanding that if he ruins another game he likely won't be playing again.

why even bring it up if you agree he's not conveying anything, I didnt even notice his pfp until this conversation

[Col7by]

I think its pretty natural for someone to start suspecting you after you suspect them

But it was cherry picking reasons when I was trying to follow up on what dip said earlier. It was never addressing my original accusation

What was your original accusation? I dont know much about what you said since you havent said much this is the most interaction IM getting with you right now so tell me the original accusation

It’s at the top the page where I said we should look at bunny D3 because dip had bunny and balki as top scum reads

[Jamiet99uk]

I was gonna disagree, but seeing ##vote balki self vote I changed my mind.

I doubt town Balki self votes.

Contriving a reason to get on the winning wagon?

It was still 10-9 at this point but I feel like Balki was the heavy favorite.

I disagree with this assessment. The wagons were 10-9 with Balki in the lead, but Balki was self voting at the time. With me voting it makes it 11-9
Assuming Balki switches back, it would still only be 10-10. My vote essentially only tied it, with 5 minutes left in the phase. If I vote dip, the EoD wagons might have flipped.

Foxcastle and Bona both voted after me and explicitly stated the only reason they did so was to avoid the tie.
Here's foxcastle:
"↑Vecna: "we need a bigger gap so it cant be tied"
UGH

@@VOTE BALKI
"

and here's bona:

"@@vote balki

tie avoidance, prefer the other kill
"

If I'm on Dip, that doesn't happen.

I agree with Ezio's explanation and analysis of the timing and impact of his vote. I think this is a fair way to present what happened.

[Col7by]

Excuse me?
What was terrible was the wagon on me. It's been pushed since the beginning of D2 my Demon, who is obviously tunneling me.
What was terrible were the other wagons. The fish and ghug wagons were barely better than mine.
What was terrible was the fact that nobody else noticed Bunny or Balki being scum.
My decision to prevent a town kill by forcing a duel between myself and my scumread was entirely reasonable.

It’s sad I missed your bunny remarks within 5 minute. I had a comment before you mentioned it but no one follow up. Think he’ll require another look D3

And the big chain bumping this

Here flav this is the original comment I made