MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

First of all, I do not believe you would make such a bad play as town to shoot Jamie early, and saying you would does not reduce my suspicion. Second, who would not shoot Percy before he had the chance to bring back rdrivera? You are the one who seems to be permanently behind in the game. Finally, why did you change your vote to emc? Does my suspicion of you make my preference to lynch RagingIke a worse , or did you just decide to stop trying to pocket me?

I assume someone counterclaimed emc and he's not the real alien cop, that's why I voted emc after Vecna's push

I would still vote Ike every second

The only person I've ''loved'' this game was Vecna, there was no pocket since I'm town

You just pointed out the risk of not lynching RagingIke. No one counterclaimed emc, so if he is not the Alien Cop he got very lucky that dargorygel was the Alien Cop. This is why I do not think we can be sure between Ezio and emc.

You do not see that this is exactly why he started off his claim so vague?

He started off with like 6 options, never hardclaiming.

You do not see how this is just feeling out if he;s getting cc'd by the alien cop?

[Ezio]

what bothers me about Ezio

- he refused to be scanned by alien cop

- he wants to keep infected Ike alive

ding ding dong

- N5 gets another infected

D6 - 6 aliens, 1 + 5 minions alive, town WILL not win

So today is d5 and there is 1 alien and 2 minions.
Tomorrow there will be 1+3 votes he can control, not 1+5.

[bozotheclown]

Since we will probably only have one mislynch going into D7, I am willing to make some assumptions. First, I will assume that the mafia did not try to use the RB to clear a scum with so many powerful town PRs and useful items. This eliminates Vecna and RagingIke. Second, I will assume that Jamie would not take out xorxes unnecessarily and reveal worcej just for town credit. Third, I will assume thamrick would not go out of his way to prevent a mislynch of the lazy cop. This leaves LordQuas, Nephthys, and Vaporwave as the likely scum. It occurred to me that Nephthys and Vaporwave both misused there items from a town perspective. I think a town would want to hold the Alien Manipulation Ray in case he was about to be mislynched in a close vote. Vaporwave wasted the item D1, something that was not helpful to town. Nephthys said he used the Triage Kit to protect Percy N4 despite the fact that Percy said he was going to protect himself. Nephthys could have protected rdrivera or me N4, or he could have held the item unit N5, where it turns out he could protect me so I could report another scan.

My guess is that Nephthys is the Secretary and Vaporwave is the Assassin. I still think it is necessary to lynch RagingIke today so that the alien does not control 4 votes D6 if we were to lynch incorrectly between Ezio and emc.

My recommended lynch order is:
1. RagingIke (to make sure the alien does not win)
2. alien
3. Nephthys
4. Vaporwave
5. LordQuas

I fully did not realise that Percy had said he was going to save himself.

Big rip to me

I find it hard to believe that you would not be more careful with such an important item as town.

[Ezio]

I am about 50/50 on the identity of the alien. There are still the facts that Ezio claimed alien and ended up in the final 2 alien possibilities, and that emc would have gotten very lucky that dargorygel was the Alien Cop.

We can't afford a mislynch between Ezio and emc, and we can't afford to let the alien go into D6 with 4 votes, so I think we need to lynch RagingIke. It is possible he is scum who ended with the RB because of the driver N1, and claimed RB N2 while the scum used the NK and item thief.

The one thing I do want to point out (again for the people who maybe haven't been following so closely *VAPORWAVE*) is that we *can* go into tomorrow with the alien controlling 4 votes. It simply makes you feel more comfortable not to.

At this point in the game, now that the assassin has used his shot, if the mafia don't lynch the alien with town tomorrow (assuming he doesn't die today), the mafia cannot win. The alien will have the majority and he is immune to their night kill.

If emc is the alien and he has the Alien Heat Gun, he could force a no lynch D6 and potentially control 5 votes D7 for the win.

are you assuming RD will or will not get brought back?

[bozotheclown]

I assume someone counterclaimed emc and he's not the real alien cop, that's why I voted emc after Vecna's push

I would still vote Ike every second

The only person I've ''loved'' this game was Vecna, there was no pocket since I'm town

You just pointed out the risk of not lynching RagingIke. No one counterclaimed emc, so if he is not the Alien Cop he got very lucky that dargorygel was the Alien Cop. This is why I do not think we can be sure between Ezio and emc.

You do not see that this is exactly why he started off his claim so vague?

He started off with like 6 options, never hardclaiming.

You do not see how this is just feeling out if he;s getting cc'd by the alien cop?

Yes, I have pointed that out, and how he kept his options open with the NK claim. Also, emc followed Ezio in voting me D4, and emc has been late placing his vote almost every day, including today. I was the one arguing against lynching Ezio when he had 5 votes earlier D5. However, I am still not certain.

[bozotheclown]

The one thing I do want to point out (again for the people who maybe haven't been following so closely *VAPORWAVE*) is that we *can* go into tomorrow with the alien controlling 4 votes. It simply makes you feel more comfortable not to.

At this point in the game, now that the assassin has used his shot, if the mafia don't lynch the alien with town tomorrow (assuming he doesn't die today), the mafia cannot win. The alien will have the majority and he is immune to their night kill.

If emc is the alien and he has the Alien Heat Gun, he could force a no lynch D6 and potentially control 5 votes D7 for the win.

are you assuming RD will or will not get brought back?

I am assuming he comes back so that there are 9 players going into D6. emc removing one vote would make the vote 4-4.

[bozotheclown]

So who was killed N2? And why didnt MF or Worcej out that there was another miracle-save somehow?

It is possible that Ezio was the NK target.

[thamrick]

Still not caught up and about to board my flight.

Thru pg 168 and I gotta say, Ezio seems legit.

I think EMC is alien and Vecna is scum

[bozotheclown]

I can ##Vote EMC and it won't change the outcome of bozo's plan.

If Bozo decides he must see Ike lynched he can still do that. Lynching ike is the paranoid play. It will still give you guys 100% to get the alien tomorrow, I just don't want to see someone lynched just because they're infected.

If EMC self votes to get on the same wagon as me, we might end up just having the majority of the votes and get him lynched.

You moving your vote to emc looks very suspicious, if you are the alien you now have the votes to lynch emc with Vecna and Nephthys also voting for emc.

[bozotheclown]

We do not want to give Ezio or emc control of the lynch today, I think everyone needs to get off the Ezio and emc wagons.

[bozotheclown]

Still not caught up and about to board my flight.

Thru pg 168 and I gotta say, Ezio seems legit.

I think EMC is alien and Vecna is scum

If Vecna is scum, RagingIke could be scum also. Vecna is refusing to consider lynching RagingIke for unexplained reasons.

[bozotheclown]

Right now, if Ezio is the alien, emc will get lynched, and if emc is the alien, he can get Ezio lynched by voting for him. This is why we can't be divided on Ezio and emc. We need to have everyone voting for one or the other, or everyone voting for RagingIke. Keep in mind the scum are happy to see a mislynch between Ezio and emc today.

[bozotheclown]

@thamrick: Please change your vote to RagingIke, we can't let the alien between Ezio and emc decide the lynch today.

[Vecna]

Still not caught up and about to board my flight.

Thru pg 168 and I gotta say, Ezio seems legit.

I think EMC is alien and Vecna is scum

If Vecna is scum, RagingIke could be scum also. Vecna is refusing to consider lynching RagingIke for unexplained reasons.

UNEXPLAINED?

Are you kidding me?

[bozotheclown]

@Vecna: Don't you see that if Ezio is the alien he has the votes to get emc lynched with you voting for emc, but if emc is the alien he has the votes to get Ezio lynched? That is why we need a larger wagon on RagingIke. Why are you so sure RagingIke is town?

[bozotheclown]

Still not caught up and about to board my flight.

Thru pg 168 and I gotta say, Ezio seems legit.

I think EMC is alien and Vecna is scum

If Vecna is scum, RagingIke could be scum also. Vecna is refusing to consider lynching RagingIke for unexplained reasons.

UNEXPLAINED?

Are you kidding me?

Can you give or reference an explanation for me?

[Vecna]

Ive written about my reasons for it for pages on end now.

Everyone is just happily sheeping you, and you still dont question shit.

We need the extra days to hunt for scum after today. If Ike is town as I expect, youre just playing right into what scum wants you to do.

Im done. Do what you want.

[bozotheclown]

Ive written about my reasons for it for pages on end now.

Everyone is just happily sheeping you, and you still dont question shit.

We need the extra days to hunt for scum after today. If Ike is town as I expect, youre just playing right into what scum wants you to do.

Im done. Do what you want.

What you are doing is letting the alien decide the lynch, that is what the scum wants.

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE
VOTE COUNT 5.4


RagingIke297 (4) Ike, bozo, Jamiet, Vaporwave
e.m.c.^2 (3) Vecna, Nephthys, Ezio
Ezio (2) thamrick, LQ,

1 End vote out of 6 needed to end.

Non-voters: emc

Ikey is scheduled to die.
7 hours and 53 minutes left in day 5.

[bozotheclown]

When emc votes for Ezio, whoever is not the alien will get lynched. We know as a minimum RagingIke's vote will move to who the alien is voting for, and that is all it will take for a town lynch of emc or Ezio at 4-3-3.