Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[Frogsterking]

I'll repost my ghug thing then

[Frogsterking]

An update here is that I noticed you did not in fact seem worried about "preventing the tie" just now when you voted me, ghug.

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Ok, I'm getting kind of tired of this.. I am catching more heat for being a bunny voter than any actual Bunny voter. I have stated, and nobody has disputed, that I do this every game to similar reactions. I have not tried to take credit for ending on sweet. Why are you framing it like I did it for cred?

Thinking my moving off of sweet is suspicious, I get, but the fact that you continue to ignore anything anyone in the game is saying is lazy at best and scummy at worst.

Did you get anything useful out of all of your contrived pair questions overnight?

Ghug trying to take credit for EoD vote:

Ghug, can you explain the different stances? This is you 1h before eod

But after the flip you said you shouldve followed your gut.

Did you really have a gut feeling of sweet being scum, but then you publically announce you dislike his wagon badly?

Yes, I announced the gut read of sweet and it was talked about a lot. I took my foot off the gas a little bit because nothing had corroborated that one moment and bozo pointed out that I'd only actually caught him that way once, but you can also see I still liked the wagon, just less than some others.

Ah yes you were so, so helpful in building the sweet wagon that's why it was stuck on 1 vote 20 minutes before the deadline. You were too busy pushing wagons onto slots like damo, hamiltonbrian and foodcoats, but yeah you *really* "liked" the sweet (godfather) wagon I guess.

Huh. Fooled me by voting everyone else. And saying things like:



And



And



In fact…within the last 19 hours of the day (until voting me) the only posts you directly interacted with me or mentioned me was regarding Jamie appearing to edit his post, and disagreeing with chaqa that I’d not fake a townslip. (And I guess the modkill joke)


Within the last 12 hours of the day you mostly said how much you sussed food and worried anout a couple others (but not sweet).

So yeah…I guess someone counting votes would have seen you say you liked any wagon available except chaqa and sweet. I was still putting you in the sussing sweet camp from an hour earlier in the day. I like how you used the word slimy or sliminess when we discussing sweets alignment and only when discussing sweets alignment.

Here I said I liked the sweet wagon, I just liked it less than the others:

I'm good with any of these wagons other than Chaqa. Sweet is probably my next least favorite at this point. I townread Bozo, brain, and Chaqa.

The primary motivation of my food vote was to see what would happen. The reads list pinged me a little but it was definitely not my strongest scumread at that point. The reaction, though, is really irking me.

I explained in the same post coming up on EoD that I'd overblown my initial food suspicion but it had grown with his reaction. I voiced my suspicion for you when I accused you of intentionally trying to antagonize me and solidified it in my very detailed read list:

ghug - Town, role PM
Chaqa - Town, outburst
Sweet - scum, vibes
Bunny - scum, trying to provoke me
everyone else - null, boringness

I'm willing to attribute it to your having played somewhere weird before, but asking people to force reads lists early in the game is bad.

So here in response to Bunny you double down that you sincerely "liked" the sweet wagon, implying you really supported that wagon all along, and your vote wasn't just to prevent a tie. Bunny raises similar concerns I have about your vote movements during the latter bit of D1 and your response is hilarious, you have no ability to explain your scummy wagon movements and attempts to manipulate the wagon into a TvT cross. You just quote your old reads list, an emerging theme in your ISO where you plie for credibility by appealing to consistency and how you already "explained"--explained how scummy you are--hoping we are stupid and forget about the whole interaction.

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Ok, I'm getting kind of tired of this.. I am catching more heat for being a bunny voter than any actual Bunny voter

Even in the original prompt you gave which caused me to write this you call yourself a non-bunny voter. But you were literally an actual bunny voter:

So you believed the vote was settled and there was not going to be a tie but also there's always the risk of a tie.

Perfectly clear, thanks.

I believed a shift to Bunny winning was exceedingly unlikely at that point. A tie was more likely, but still unlikely. There's no reason not to pile on.

Again, I do this very consistently, and the only downside is that some people seem to be confused by it, so I see no reason to change my ways or to read into my alignment from it.

You only voted sweet to "prevent a tie." You claim over and over across many posts in your ISO that you do these "tie breaking" vote movements "consistently" in your town meta. My problem is that YOU created the tie intentionally:

##VOTE Bunny

A tie I can get behind.

And you made other scummy attempts to tie and influence the wagons onto likely town slots before that:

##VOTE damo

Someone should hop on damo to tie it. I don't like the heart voters.

Your slot sucks a lot and should probably die today in order to move our solve forward. You're welcome for answering your question by the way, scum shader:

sketch

Why?

I dislike the final conclusion that I voted sweet for cred.

As an aside, I dislike the way frog handled the night, asking contrived questions to pairs of players and not responding to anything himself.

Thinking my moving off of sweet is suspicious, I get, but the fact that you continue to ignore anything anyone in the game is saying is lazy at best and scummy at worst.

Did you get anything useful out of all of your contrived pair questions overnight?

So neither foodcoats nor hamiltonbrian actually answered my questions?

The hypocrisy

Hey HamiltonBrian did you follow up yet?

Hey Frogsterking did you follow up yet?

S-C-U-M S-H-A-D-E

[Chaqa]

My best guess atm is Damo

I don’t believe it’s Food

[damo666]

My best guess atm is Damo

I don’t believe it’s Food

Don't be daft. When I voted sweet at T-8 D1 it was Bunny 3 Sweet 3 Me 2. Why would I switch to GF at that stage?

[Chaqa]

My best guess atm is Damo

I don’t believe it’s Food

Don't be daft. When I voted sweet at T-8 D1 it was Bunny 3 Sweet 3 Me 2. Why would I switch to GF at that stage?

I find it suspicious how you pushed Hamilton on D2 but did not wind up on the wagon.

[damo666]

My best guess atm is Damo

I don’t believe it’s Food

Don't be daft. When I voted sweet at T-8 D1 it was Bunny 3 Sweet 3 Me 2. Why would I switch to GF at that stage?

I find it suspicious how you pushed Hamilton on D2 but did not wind up on the wagon.

I voted Ham but xposted with HOLD post. I was just too late for it to register on bot.

[Frogsterking]

Wow the ghug argument has gotten a lot more interesting than the first time I posted it.

First update, ghug's EoD3 behavior made it seem like they don't really care about breaking ties as much as they have claimed this game. They repeated the virtues of tie-breaking to defuse the pressure surrounding their wagon movements before.. I think D3 had the greatest risk by far of ending in a tie though, and ghug's disinterested vote on me is consistent with a scum slot aware that the day is ending in a TvT.

Second update to what I wrote D2, one of the wagons I accused ghug of pushing, Hamilton Brian, flipped scum. I looked back at D1 to see if ghug's vote and words toward Hamilton Brian seemed consistent with scum distancing, and they do appear to have potential as scum distancing. If ghug is a player who prioritizes distancing enough to be on both scum D1 then I guess this could strengthen the argument in a way. The way ghug followed a town slot onto the wagon:

##vote Ham

that post was bizarre

##VOTE Ham

Don't really mind his post though.

is consistent with "mirroring" like we all learned in psych 101 and the general principle (which i've heard, i don't know if true) that scum like to follow a townie onto a wagon. Then, similar to ghug's reluctance when I wanted to join him and Justaguy on Sweet (creating a 3rd vote for the wagon) it seems that ghug moved his vote off of hamilton brian in order to prevent the wagon from reaching 3 votes when the leading wagons for the day were in major flux. Again I don't know if true but I heard a lot about this 3 vote principle or turning point to create a bandwagon.

If ghug is scum then they are pretty good at getting into people's heads; better than I've played with in a while.

[Frogsterking]

I said "interesting" because I don't know if the case for ghug!scum has gotten better or worse since D2, it only seems more interesting. I think I now accused four different slots of being the last scum over the last few hours so I guess that's a sign I need to pause and reflect.

[Frogsterking]

I said "interesting" because I don't know if the case for ghug!scum has gotten better or worse since D2, it only seems more interesting. I think I now accused four different slots of being the last scum over the last few hours so I guess that's a sign I need to pause and reflect.

I'm not good at doing that though

[Frogsterking]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

Scum tell

[Frogsterking]

Where did this Chaqa wagon come from?

Scum tell

[Frogsterking]

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[Frogsterking]

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Oops

[Frogsterking]

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

Scum tell

It's something that scum are more likely to be thinking about IMO

[Frogsterking]

Where did this Chaqa wagon come from?

Scum tell

Because of the tone; it's aloof

[Frogsterking]

Scum like to comment on this stuff:

Now if there are entrenched ties, and the vote is close, then I agree that if a whole bunch of players are on vanity wagons this is problematic. watching season 1 of traitors where every day phase was always 2 wagons and no deviation, thats how the bad guys coasted in that season for so long. I wont tell you who won it but town legit would always just only ever vote down party lines, and both lines were almost always town vs town.

I loved season 1 of the Traitors. The winner(s) is/are very deserving.

I tried to watch it when I was covid-dumb and it was still too dumb for me. Mafia shouldn't have kingmakers.

I tried to watch it when I was covid-dumb and it was still too dumb for me. Mafia shouldn't have kingmakers.

the money aspect of the game was sickening, and seeing scum even thinking of questioning the motive of their own team to me is the height of reality tv bullcrap.

isnt the game itself enough? you could make an argument that this is also why champs is such a ridiculous concept too.

Although making it to semifinals once, and winning a game as scum at that level is something I will always look back on fondly.

Yeah, I think it's on the format, though casting the reality TV has-beens was also a turnoff for me. Teams need shared fate. You could probably even vote on an MVP to get more money champs-style and the game would still work better.

Iz scum tell

[BunnyGo]

I now think it has to be ghug.

Or you or frog or chaqa

But YOU wouldn’t vote ghug with me.

"Remark to this, damo. We must have boat. Even now may be too late. This is your island, I make your responsibility you help us get boat quickly, otherwise there is World War III, and everybody is blaming YOU!"

[BunnyGo]

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

Scum tell

It's something that scum are more likely to be thinking about IMO

He’s also the council.

[damo666]

I now think it has to be ghug.

Or you or frog or chaqa

But YOU wouldn’t vote ghug with me.

"Remark to this, damo. We must have boat. Even now may be too late. This is your island, I make your responsibility you help us get boat quickly, otherwise there is World War III, and everybody is blaming YOU!"

It's not me. I preferred brain to ghug.

[ghug]

What's your point, frog? Why repost this?

It's potentially scummy

Frog is a fan of legislation prioritizing cars over people.
Cars cause lots of accidents.
Frog is scum confirmed.