MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[TrPrado]

The flash reveal and the fact Chaqa got a whole 11 votes were shocking, people voting Chaqa in general was not shocking

This post??

[Durga]

Yoyo hasn't posted today and just got replaced. His replacement should either get lynched because he's scummy today or he should not get lynched.

Why in the hell would we use day 2 to try and get more info out of day 1, and why would you ask this instead of seeing if you can't find reason to scumread one of the other wagons from day 1?

My thinking is, usually Day 1 that involves TvT has a lot of people (typically scum) on one-off wagons or very minor wagons. Day 1 with such a close flip that was town and so many wagons makes me really think there was a scum up on the block, and if that's the case, EMC, Damo, and Yoyo/Bob make the most sense.

So, that said, the Yoyo/Bob wagon probably is fine too, and I'd vote for any of those three, and probably no one else. The only thing going against this theory is the HR kill, which I would expect someone from a wagon that isn't the main one to be killed (to protect my theorized scum in EMC/Damo/YoyoBob), but HR could just be a fearkill type situation.

Why would Chaqa choose to not include bob along with emc/damo when wanting to flip day 1 wagons for information. He's questioning a wagon that is exactly the same as the wagons he wanted to flip. Then he comes around and includes it.

Bob was a d1 wagon?

[bo_sox48]

The flash reveal and the fact Chaqa got a whole 11 votes were shocking, people voting Chaqa in general was not shocking

This post??

That's the context, yes.

[TrPrado]

The flash reveal and the fact Chaqa got a whole 11 votes were shocking, people voting Chaqa in general was not shocking

This post??

That's the context, yes.

Scroll up to the very last section of the post immediately preceding it.

[bo_sox48]

Why would Chaqa choose to not include bob along with emc/damo when wanting to flip day 1 wagons for information. He's questioning a wagon that is exactly the same as the wagons he wanted to flip. Then he comes around and includes it.

That's odd, but he was asking for information about the wagon instead of actually doing his own research so I don't think it's fair to say he excluded it entirely.

[TrPrado]

In what context?

The context of the actual post.

What is this conversation...

bo is trying to dig into what my theory could be

[bo_sox48]

I'm more interested in why you're keeping it from us than what it actually is. I have my doubts that you have anything that mindblowing up your sleeve.

[Durga]

I'm more interested in why you're keeping it from us than what it actually is. I have my doubts that you have anything that mindblowing up your sleeve.

Which is why it just sounds like an excuse to put actual thinking off until later.

[summit_fever]

Thanks to Bo for actually commenting on the chaqa quote.

I'm struggling to make sense of these isos, and it would be nice if others put out some of their ideas.

[rdrivera2005]

Interesting that when I am online no one seems to have any questions to me. Where are those questions Durga?

Alright, questions that you may have addressed but I want them easily accessible so here:

1. Who is your strongest town read outside of Damo and why?
2. What type of game do you think the scum team is trying to employ and what scum would fit that theory?
3. What is your theory on what the 3P is based on behaviors/votes?
4. If you had to GM a game and were stuck on a theme based on Robocop, the anime Food Wars, or continuing the Mastermind's story, which would you choose?

Here we go.

1 - Summit, by far. His vote on Chaqa and the way he is approaching the game are really towny. I tend do agree with most things he said and he seems to be reading the game and trying to understand what is happening and sort things out. Second one at this point is you Worcej.

2 - It´s hard to say, because scum usually play with the cards they have. A low poster won´t be a big pusher only because he is scum and a talkative player can´t lurk as scum. Considering they lost two active players I would think they were more on the quiet side, but it´s just a guess. I could be trying to fit my scumreads on this, it´s a commom mistake of logic, but this is what I think. My thought on the early Chaqa voters being all town also point to this (with exception of Bo that is also a high poster and wasn´t on the wagon, but I don´t scumread him).

3 - Another hard question as we don´t know which 3P we are dealing with. If we have the witcher I think he was really scumhunting as it was in his interest getting the scum PR hanged. Now they are gone, I think he will want to identify town PRs but not expose them, but this is a hard task. I guess the witch will just try to stay under the radar, not heavily scumread and not heavily towread. The worst thing is our PRs probably have the same approach. Warlock have the same interest in surviving as the witch but also need to push his own agenda as the last day tie would have put him in a bad position. Also, if there is a Warlock, I am pretty sure we can discard everybody that didn´t vote Worcej yesterday and highlight his heavy pushers (cof, Fox, cof).

4 - I would be a bad GM due to my schedule constraints (guess why I never GMed or co-GMed a game in all this time?). On this three options I would choose Robocop for sure. But I was really frustrated with the Matrix game and would like to see another one.

On a side note, one of the reasons I believed you last day is that on the Matrix game I could have tied the voting the day I was mis-killed, but I choose not as it will only cost town a day as I was sure they will kill me anyway the next day. So, I fully understand your reasoning and think it´s towny.

[rdrivera2005]

Why would Chaqa choose to not include bob along with emc/damo when wanting to flip day 1 wagons for information. He's questioning a wagon that is exactly the same as the wagons he wanted to flip. Then he comes around and includes it.

That's odd, but he was asking for information about the wagon instead of actually doing his own research so I don't think it's fair to say he excluded it entirely.

I know I am biased, but it look like a defense on Yoyo/Bob at first, then after realizing Yoyo was a wagon D1 he can´t not include him in his possible votes (but never voted him).

[worcej]

Worcej is mischaracterizing me. How was I tunneling?

I fought with Vecna, I voted Durga, I went after BunnyGo.

Worcej's claim is that I backed off on after he called me out on tunneling him (which he says is Townie except when he thinks it's scummy). He did that early Day 2. You can read my Day 1 and Night 1 here. I'm not tunneling, but Worcej is now.

How am I tunneling now? Am I pushing a case on you somewhere not here?

A case is something that has to do anything that's happened in this game. Your assertion that I've tunneled you is absurd, outdone only by the absurdity of your meta read that Foxcastle tunneling is both town and scum indicative.

I don't know where I said a scum foxcastle is one that tunnels...

Screw it, I want you flipped.

##vote Foxcastle

[bo_sox48]

I'm more interested in why you're keeping it from us than what it actually is. I have my doubts that you have anything that mindblowing up your sleeve.

Which is why it just sounds like an excuse to put actual thinking off until later.

Maybe? In my eyes it's really dumb if he's town, yet dumber if he's mafia. I just don't understand it.

Why would Chaqa choose to not include bob along with emc/damo when wanting to flip day 1 wagons for information. He's questioning a wagon that is exactly the same as the wagons he wanted to flip. Then he comes around and includes it.

That's odd, but he was asking for information about the wagon instead of actually doing his own research so I don't think it's fair to say he excluded it entirely.

I know I am biased, but it look like a defense on Yoyo/Bob at first, then after realizing Yoyo was a wagon D1 he can´t not include him in his possible votes (but never voted him).

How are you biased, and what do you see that indicates he’s defending Yoyo/Bob?

[Durga]

I'm more interested in why you're keeping it from us than what it actually is. I have my doubts that you have anything that mindblowing up your sleeve.

Which is why it just sounds like an excuse to put actual thinking off until later.

Maybe? In my eyes it's really dumb if he's town, yet dumber if he's mafia. I just don't understand it.

Maybe. Maybe his actions are more 3p than mafia... I don't know. I think rdr is the best flip atm

[Foxcastle]

How often Ghug and Chaqa mention other players.

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          GHUG      CHAQA
Chaqa        7 
Ghug                 4
Bozo        19       0
Bo          19       9
Damo        22       4
Durga       58       6
EMC          0      12
Fox         14       4
Hamilton    12       5
Rdr          7       1
Seth        28       0
Summit      18       0
Worcej      20       1
Bob          5       4
Vecna       18       7

(Based on CTRL-F'ing their ISO. Includes quoting other players and players mentioned in quotes. I've corrected for a couple things, like how BobMcBob's username counts twice.)

[Durga]

58 lmao

[Durga]

Oh if this includes quotes it's probably hella inaccurate. Do you usually do stuff like this as town, fox?

[Foxcastle]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

[summit_fever]

Why would Chaqa choose to not include bob along with emc/damo when wanting to flip day 1 wagons for information. He's questioning a wagon that is exactly the same as the wagons he wanted to flip. Then he comes around and includes it.

That's odd, but he was asking for information about the wagon instead of actually doing his own research so I don't think it's fair to say he excluded it entirely.

He wasn't asking for information about the day 1 yoyo wagon. He was asking for information about the day 2 yoyo wagon, which was in the lead at the time.

A consistent thought process (for town anyway. I assume scum try to emulate this as well) would have gone something along the lines of: "yoyo is day 2 lead wagon and I'm happy to flip that because I'm happy to flip one of the day 1 secondary wagons %%vote yoyo"

[Durga]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

Wait how does ghug mention emc 0 times