MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Hellenic Riot]

I want HR to come back and explain why he's not interested in helping our cops figure out if they can believe their scans or not.

You're not voting for celaph either.

I have all the time in the world to change my vote. HR came in and dismissed damo immediately without considering that we could get useful info out of this. Very different to me advocating that we kill celaph, no matter where my vote is currently.

We saw last game how effective it is if cop's just sit under the radar and hold reports til late on. I don't trust damo, I think there's a lot of motivation for scum to fake there because they can skate by on it for days and cause a lot of shit, and I don't see why there'd be a rush on a psycho either or not. At the end of the day we want the cop(s) to live for a long time, and end up with a lot of reports on the same alignment, so the psychotrooper isn't really that big a deal anyway - If a cop comes out with a load of guilties they're going to know full well they've been psycho'd regardless.

[brainbomb]

Jailkeeper
You are the JAILKEEPER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may place another player in jail, by PM-ing your target to both GMs. If you can find your target, you will roleblock them and also protect them - the target will be prevented from taking any night actions of their own, and the target will also be protected from night killing actions. You cannot protect them from the Strongman. You may not jail yourself, nor may you jail the same person on consecutive nights. You win when all non-town Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(ROLEBLOCKING / PROTECTIVE)


##Call GM

maybe youve covered this and im sorry if you have but is this a traditional jailing where the target learns they were jailed?

[ghug]

Who is your towncore?

You, Bob, brain, damo. kgray, Macca, RHK, and Brian have temporary teaching jobs, but no tenure yet. I'm also uninterested in killing Vecna, HR, rd, or Bunny today.

That leaves celaph, Donny, emc, Ezio, jasnah, Maniac.

How is Macca in the same category as me?

Why are you uninterested in HR or Rivera?

And I am not killing Donny or Ezio.

I don't think it's that likely Macca would be successfully hiding as scum right now. You seem towny, but it's entirely plausible that you'd be successfully hiding as scum right now.

HR is good and a townlean. rd is good, and it seems strictly better to kill celaph than him if we want to shed light on D1.

What has Donny or Ezio done to warrant protection?

[Jamiet99uk]

##callgm Does a Psychotrooper screw with the Coroner's results, and if so, what result will it give?

GM NOTE
Yes. A misleading result would result.

Misleading how?

This would depend on the circumstances of the kill that the Coroner was investigating.

[kgray]

You, Bob, brain, damo. kgray, Macca, RHK, and Brian have temporary teaching jobs, but no tenure yet. I'm also uninterested in killing Vecna, HR, rd, or Bunny today.

That leaves celaph, Donny, emc, Ezio, jasnah, Maniac.

its weird you remembered every player

I used the bot for the last six (and rd, sorry rd).

If you forgot about Rivera until the bot, why isn't he in your last group? You really only remember your townreads, and then everyone else you just lump into "would vote?"

[ghug]

GM NOTE
Yes. A misleading result would result.

Misleading how?

This would depend on the circumstances of the kill that the Coroner was investigating.

Can you outline how?

[ghug]

its weird you remembered every player

I used the bot for the last six (and rd, sorry rd).

If you forgot about Rivera until the bot, why isn't he in your last group? You really only remember your townreads, and then everyone else you just lump into "would vote?"

Largely yeah. Sometimes someone pings me specifically, and obviously there's a pecking order within the remainder, but that hasn't happened yet.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jailkeeper
You are the JAILKEEPER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may place another player in jail, by PM-ing your target to both GMs. If you can find your target, you will roleblock them and also protect them - the target will be prevented from taking any night actions of their own, and the target will also be protected from night killing actions. You cannot protect them from the Strongman. You may not jail yourself, nor may you jail the same person on consecutive nights. You win when all non-town Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(ROLEBLOCKING / PROTECTIVE)

##Call GM

maybe youve covered this and im sorry if you have but is this a traditional jailing where the target learns they were jailed?

GM NOTE
The target would be notified, yes. Note however that if they were also protected from a killing action which would otherwise have killed them, they are not informed of this additional information.

[brainbomb]

ghug im gonna ask you this

were you jailed
or roleblocked

[Hellenic Riot]

Jailkeeper
You are the JAILKEEPER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may place another player in jail, by PM-ing your target to both GMs. If you can find your target, you will roleblock them and also protect them - the target will be prevented from taking any night actions of their own, and the target will also be protected from night killing actions. You cannot protect them from the Strongman. You may not jail yourself, nor may you jail the same person on consecutive nights. You win when all non-town Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(ROLEBLOCKING / PROTECTIVE)

##Call GM

maybe youve covered this and im sorry if you have but is this a traditional jailing where the target learns they were jailed?

GM NOTE
The target would be notified, yes. Note however that if they were also protected from a killing action which would otherwise have killed them, they are not informed of this additional information.

##CALL GM

What form does the notification take, though? Is it just a notification that says they were RB'd or does it say that they were jailed?

[ghug]

ghug im gonna ask you this

were you jailed
or roleblocked

My PM said I was roleblocked.

[brainbomb]

So I think were narrowed down to alien prober chose ghug as last possible way he ciuldve been blocked

[kgray]

You're not voting for celaph either.

I have all the time in the world to change my vote. HR came in and dismissed damo immediately without considering that we could get useful info out of this. Very different to me advocating that we kill celaph, no matter where my vote is currently.

We saw last game how effective it is if cop's just sit under the radar and hold reports til late on. I don't trust damo, I think there's a lot of motivation for scum to fake there because they can skate by on it for days and cause a lot of shit, and I don't see why there'd be a rush on a psycho either or not. At the end of the day we want the cop(s) to live for a long time, and end up with a lot of reports on the same alignment, so the psychotrooper isn't really that big a deal anyway - If a cop comes out with a load of guilties they're going to know full well they've been psycho'd regardless.

But what if the cop(s) don't live for a long time? Isn't it better for them to subtly shift votes in the right direction as we go, and not sit on a bunch of info that doesn't help us until later, if it ever does? It's not like they're just keeping that info to themselves - they can't trust it at all, so it doesn't even help them solve.

You're probably right about getting lots of one result indicating whether or not we have the psychotrooper in play but I feel like that's gambling on the cops going the distance, and personally I think that the sooner town has info to steer us in the right direction, the better.

[ghug]

So I think were narrowed down to alien prober chose ghug as last possible way he ciuldve been blocked

Or underdog or Bunny lied.

[kgray]

You, Bob, brain, damo. kgray, Macca, RHK, and Brian have temporary teaching jobs, but no tenure yet. I'm also uninterested in killing Vecna, HR, rd, or Bunny today.

That leaves celaph, Donny, emc, Ezio, jasnah, Maniac.

How is Macca in the same category as me?

Why are you uninterested in HR or Rivera?

And I am not killing Donny or Ezio.

I don't think it's that likely Macca would be successfully hiding as scum right now. You seem towny, but it's entirely plausible that you'd be successfully hiding as scum right now.

HR is good and a townlean. rd is good, and it seems strictly better to kill celaph than him if we want to shed light on D1.

What has Donny or Ezio done to warrant protection?

I think you're wrong about Macca, I think this is about how they'd play if they're scum.

Why is celaph better than Rivera in terms of info?

Donny has been a consistent townread of mine, and Ezio is reasonable.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jailkeeper
You are the JAILKEEPER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may place another player in jail, by PM-ing your target to both GMs. If you can find your target, you will roleblock them and also protect them - the target will be prevented from taking any night actions of their own, and the target will also be protected from night killing actions. You cannot protect them from the Strongman. You may not jail yourself, nor may you jail the same person on consecutive nights. You win when all non-town Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(ROLEBLOCKING / PROTECTIVE)

##Call GM

maybe youve covered this and im sorry if you have but is this a traditional jailing where the target learns they were jailed?

GM NOTE
The target would be notified, yes. Note however that if they were also protected from a killing action which would otherwise have killed them, they are not informed of this additional information.

##CALL GM

What form does the notification take, though? Is it just a notification that says they were RB'd or does it say that they were jailed?

Ah I see, thank you for clarifying the question.

Simply that they were Roleblocked.

Note also that this setup is not using the super-deluxe brand of jailor that can do things like talk to their prisoner. Just a standard jailkeeper that roleblocks the target but also prevents kills on them.

[ghug]

How is Macca in the same category as me?

Why are you uninterested in HR or Rivera?

And I am not killing Donny or Ezio.

I don't think it's that likely Macca would be successfully hiding as scum right now. You seem towny, but it's entirely plausible that you'd be successfully hiding as scum right now.

HR is good and a townlean. rd is good, and it seems strictly better to kill celaph than him if we want to shed light on D1.

What has Donny or Ezio done to warrant protection?

I think you're wrong about Macca, I think this is about how they'd play if they're scum.

Why is celaph better than Rivera in terms of info?

Donny has been a consistent townread of mine, and Ezio is reasonable.

They were both big wagons, so they're equal in broad strokes for VCA purposes. Celaph has actually been scummy, there's the psychotrooper question, and rd gets more "good player" credit.

[brainbomb]

oh ok so a jailed person just gets told they were roleblocked. so thats huge. if there was only one roleblock last night we just eliminated a bunch of roles and bunny might be clear

[kgray]

How is Macca in the same category as me?

Why are you uninterested in HR or Rivera?

And I am not killing Donny or Ezio.

I don't think it's that likely Macca would be successfully hiding as scum right now. You seem towny, but it's entirely plausible that you'd be successfully hiding as scum right now.

HR is good and a townlean. rd is good, and it seems strictly better to kill celaph than him if we want to shed light on D1.

What has Donny or Ezio done to warrant protection?

I think you're wrong about Macca, I think this is about how they'd play if they're scum.

Why is celaph better than Rivera in terms of info?

Donny has been a consistent townread of mine, and Ezio is reasonable.

And ghug how can you think Macca wouldn't be able to hide as scum right now? We're letting emc and Vecna do nothing, what would be different about Macca if they're scum?

[brainbomb]

if someone discarded alien prober please claim