MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

Mafia knows as much as we do so I don't see why they would kill the last PR instead of just roleblocking them to be careful not to accidentally lose the game.

Rdr just sounds salty about having PR's around that he can't kill

I am salty with a lot of real life things to be honest, so sorry if I sound salty in the game.

But the way you are playing today, not paying any attention to setup and voting with Bob and Fox is really making me wonder if you are not playing us all.

[summit_fever]

I'm surprised seth didn't come out swinging at fox.

[rdrivera2005]

Interesting that when I am online no one seems to have any questions to me. Where are those questions Durga?

[worcej]

Alright, I have a potentially bad idea, but hear me out:

If the IC is a leading wagon at any point going forward, should they just fire it off so we move one instead of wasting the time?

I bring this up because scum will be forced to keep one of them (damo or the IC) alive until the 3P is found and eliminated. This creates a town clear that we can rally behind.

Also, if said PR is actually a virgin, you should never claim if you're being lynched and just let it happen.

Really? Do you want to trust scum to not kill the PRs? If they are losing they could gamble on not having a witch (it's 50/50) and just kill the clears.

I said it was potentially a bad idea for a reason.

[Foxcastle]

I think Day 1 was TvT and that scum mostly weren't driving any outcome. The Bismarck wagon helped them, and there may be scum there, but I think town is perfectly capable of getting to yesterday's EOD unassisted.

I think the scum team is in: Worcej, Flash, TrPrado, Rdrivera, and Summit. After that, I'd look at Yoyo and Durga. Maybe HR.

Damo is not mafia. Vecna is not mafia. Bozo is not mafia. Seth is not mafia. Hamilton is not mafia. Bo is not mafia.

(Again, if there is a lie detector, "X is not Mafia" statements potentially give them a town clear in addition to catching mafia. This is the actual statement we should be making people type out, but I doubt town has the tolerance for another round of that.)

If I were the WD, I would target Vecna tonight.
If I were the Desperado, I would target Worcej.

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Well, Chaqa wasn't around yet, so you can stop implying that somehow I left him out. Sarah had done nothing at all, so not mentioning her was because there was nothing to mention.

And I don't have a good answer on ghug. I don't like interacting with him, I find him hard to read. Obviously, you're gunning for a scumread on me, so ask yourself: if I were ghug's teammate, would I have left him off so conspicuously?

[Durga]

Mafia knows as much as we do so I don't see why they would kill the last PR instead of just roleblocking them to be careful not to accidentally lose the game.

Rdr just sounds salty about having PR's around that he can't kill

I am salty with a lot of real life things to be honest, so sorry if I sound salty in the game.

But the way you are playing today, not paying any attention to setup and voting with Bob and Fox is really making me wonder if you are not playing us all.

Are you faking anger so that I town read you? It won't work this time I'm aware of it, plus your town!meta isn't scum reading me when you get angry, it's getting angry that I can't figure you out

And come on, I've not found Fox scummy - and how could I be scum and voting with two scum - at least one non-mafia is on your wagon. So your comment about "not playing us" is odd

[Durga]

Innocent child:
Claiming at this point isn't going to increase our odds of hitting mafia/3P by too much with 13 players still in the game.

Virgin:
If the virgin is daykilled we lose two PRs by the start of day 6.
If they claim we lose two PRs by the start of day 6.

It would probably be best to force mafia to make both the PR kills (damo and the claimed virgin), and give us a shot to hit mafia instead.

The witch is screwed because they'll need to have us miskill the last PR, as mafia nightkilling them would be against their win condition. If we're down to one unexposed PR they just need to claim immediately.

Isn't there more than one way for the witch to win. I can't remember Vecna's lost post about it but isn't it bad if they have control over x amount of PR's or something

You are trolling us, I just can't find another explanation for your play.

Idgi tbh. What is wrong with what I said

[Durga]

I think Day 1 was TvT and that scum mostly weren't driving any outcome. The Bismarck wagon helped them, and there may be scum there, but I think town is perfectly capable of getting to yesterday's EOD unassisted.

I think the scum team is in: Worcej, Flash, TrPrado, Rdrivera, and Summit. After that, I'd look at Yoyo and Durga. Maybe HR.

Damo is not mafia. Vecna is not mafia. Bozo is not mafia. Seth is not mafia. Hamilton is not mafia. Bo is not mafia.

(Again, if there is a lie detector, "X is not Mafia" statements potentially give them a town clear in addition to catching mafia. This is the actual statement we should be making people type out, but I doubt town has the tolerance for another round of that.)

If I were the WD, I would target Vecna tonight.
If I were the Desperado, I would target Worcej.

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Well, Chaqa wasn't around yet, so you can stop implying that somehow I left him out. Sarah had done nothing at all, so not mentioning her was because there was nothing to mention.

And I don't have a good answer on ghug. I don't like interacting with him, I find him hard to read. Obviously, you're gunning for a scumread on me, so ask yourself: if I were ghug's teammate, would I have left him off so conspicuously?

So now that Fox has said this I will corroborate and say that Fox has said to me (before the game started) that he finds ghug difficult to deal with. Which was my explanation for why he was left out. And it would be a little shortsighted to actively leave out two scum members.

God, why am I defending you so adamantly. I'm going to look so fucking dumb if you flip mafia, Fox.

[Foxcastle]

I think Day 1 was TvT and that scum mostly weren't driving any outcome. The Bismarck wagon helped them, and there may be scum there, but I think town is perfectly capable of getting to yesterday's EOD unassisted.

I think the scum team is in: Worcej, Flash, TrPrado, Rdrivera, and Summit. After that, I'd look at Yoyo and Durga. Maybe HR.

Damo is not mafia. Vecna is not mafia. Bozo is not mafia. Seth is not mafia. Hamilton is not mafia. Bo is not mafia.

(Again, if there is a lie detector, "X is not Mafia" statements potentially give them a town clear in addition to catching mafia. This is the actual statement we should be making people type out, but I doubt town has the tolerance for another round of that.)

If I were the WD, I would target Vecna tonight.
If I were the Desperado, I would target Worcej.

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Players not listed: ghug, sarah/chaqa, bismarck/emc

Bismarck/EMC had done nothing at EON1 so I didn't list them either. But that would be pretty funny if EMC is scum.

[TrPrado]

Who is guaranteed town?

Me of course

It read as if you were referring to Prado. Regardless, you did not have a single vote on you, and this was 5 hours before EOD. Why are you concerned about dying?

This is untrue. When I saw this question and interaction I reread and when he made the original statement Yoyo was the top wagon and those votes transferred to himself. Did you forget that?

[Foxcastle]

Well, Bob built a case on me. Weak and with a lot hypocrisy, but it was a case. I will keep my side of the deal and won't tunnel him. The only thing I agree is I am being lazy, and it's true, I didn't have the time I was expecting
to play and I am almost just catching up the thread with few digging on old posts.

##vote Fox.

I still don't know what your case on me is.

[rdrivera2005]

Isn't there more than one way for the witch to win. I can't remember Vecna's lost post about it but isn't it bad if they have control over x amount of PR's or something

You are trolling us, I just can't find another explanation for your play.

Idgi tbh. What is wrong with what I said

Read the setup. It isn't that hard, just click on the page 1. Even I could do it.

[worcej]

Interesting that when I am online no one seems to have any questions to me. Where are those questions Durga?

Alright, questions that you may have addressed but I want them easily accessible so here:

1. Who is your strongest town read outside of Damo and why?
2. What type of game do you think the scum team is trying to employ and what scum would fit that theory?
3. What is your theory on what the 3P is based on behaviors/votes?
4. If you had to GM a game and were stuck on a theme based on Robocop, the anime Food Wars, or continuing the Mastermind's story, which would you choose?

[Durga]

Why do you want questions from me?

Why don't you spend the time re-reading the game and finding scum instead? If you have time to answer questions, make a case or two to show me you can think as a town person.

[rdrivera2005]

Mafia knows as much as we do so I don't see why they would kill the last PR instead of just roleblocking them to be careful not to accidentally lose the game.

Rdr just sounds salty about having PR's around that he can't kill

I am salty with a lot of real life things to be honest, so sorry if I sound salty in the game.

But the way you are playing today, not paying any attention to setup and voting with Bob and Fox is really making me wonder if you are not playing us all.

Are you faking anger so that I town read you? It won't work this time I'm aware of it, plus your town!meta isn't scum reading me when you get angry, it's getting angry that I can't figure you out

And come on, I've not found Fox scummy - and how could I be scum and voting with two scum - at least one non-mafia is on your wagon. So your comment about "not playing us" is odd

I am not faking anything. I have been completely honest on all my posts. I am not angry with you scumreading me but with you being unable to get the setup and buying that walls from Bob as a great contribution to the game.

[rdrivera2005]

Interesting that when I am online no one seems to have any questions to me. Where are those questions Durga?

Alright, questions that you may have addressed but I want them easily accessible so here:

1. Who is your strongest town read outside of Damo and why?
2. What type of game do you think the scum team is trying to employ and what scum would fit that theory?
3. What is your theory on what the 3P is based on behaviors/votes?
4. If you had to GM a game and were stuck on a theme based on Robocop, the anime Food Wars, or continuing the Mastermind's story, which would you choose?

I will adress this, just need to get to a computer, now I am on phone.

[Durga]

Why don't you address specifics on his post then instead of just complaining? I honestly didn't think it was too bad, why don't you tell me what was bad instead of just claiming it is.

[Foxcastle]

Because I went ahead and did some research because I remembered this after I accused you. Turns out you do tunnel as town pretty regularly.

Worcej, what does this post even mean? You accused him of tunnelling and then decided after doing some research that it wasn't actually tunnelling? This post makes no sense.

I accused Fox of tunneling earlier in the game, but once that accusation was made he backed off. Once he backed off and stopped, that was when my concern rose.

Do you not understand that people can tunnel, then stop, and then tunnel again?

Worcej is mischaracterizing me. How was I tunneling?

I fought with Vecna, I voted Durga, I went after BunnyGo.

Worcej's claim is that I backed off on after he called me out on tunneling him (which he says is Townie except when he thinks it's scummy). He did that early Day 2. You can read my Day 1 and Night 1 here. I'm not tunneling, but Worcej is now.

[Durga]

Idk I'm not a fan of rdr trying to shade me after I start doubting him. He did that to Vecna d1 too

[bo_sox48]

Who is guaranteed town?

Me of course

It read as if you were referring to Prado. Regardless, you did not have a single vote on you, and this was 5 hours before EOD. Why are you concerned about dying?

This is untrue. When I saw this question and interaction I reread and when he made the original statement Yoyo was the top wagon and those votes transferred to himself. Did you forget that?

Is this because the bot didn't have any votes yet? lol that would explain a lot