Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[Durga]

The time has come...

DemonRHK is indeed scum. ##VOTE Demon

I claim to be a Town PR with knowledge that DemonRHK is lieing, I'd rather not provide additional detail unless a majority do not believe me.

I waited to counterclaim in hopes that my outing would at least provide us with some additional information based on their play. That said, it is certainly WIFOM as they knew 1-2 of us already know they are lieing and that it would eventually come out. Furthermore, I feel that it is important to have the box be in the hands of town at this junction. I believe Balki was unaware that if the box was empty it would not explode if the user uses the list (I think Fox/Brain are doing an incredible job... but that element seems very contrary to the set-up language). That said, he unfortunately passed the box to scum.

I said a cc would be inevitable. Now who to believe?

A scum DemonRHK would explain away all ND's worries.

RHK gave a list of his 'observations'. I think they can only be proved false if doc was included but then they would have to reveal.

How can we verify DrCJG's assertion?

DrC can you provide your list of observations. I assume you are claiming Obs as Doc wouldn't prove RHK lying.

Oh gosh. This post just REEKS of trying to figure out what DrC's role is - and that first line on a cc being inevitable... He's been waiting for it because he knows RHK's claim is untrue.

[Durga]

I don't like how this is being done late in day just in time to influence vote. Why not do this at start of day @Dr

Doing it so late makes me think scum manipulation.

I understand you feel this way... and if I could provide you with all the information without hurting town I would.

That said, I am doing it now... I felt I could wait no longer into the day... I also note that I don't think it is clear why scum would be looking to manipulate at this point and it would be a crazy time for scum to claim... indeed a crazy time for anyone to claim other than a town PR who feels he must.

So, you are either Observer protecting the doc. Or Doc protecting real observer. The latter requires yet another town PR to not have cc'd by now. So, all in all probability you are claiming Observer. Have you ever observed demonRHK?

I'm really sorry but this post reads to me like damo believes Dr's claim (which honestly should have been hella sus), but just wants to find out his role.

[Durga]

For you to be the doctor who can disprove DemonRHK's PR claim, the observer would have have to go all day without counterclaiming DemonRHK. It does not seem very likely that both town PRs knew DemonRHK observer claim was fake and went all day without reporting it.

Which is why should only consider him to be claiming Observer. So you either observed demon or somone he was supposed to have observed but didn't. Why not tell us. How will it give anything away?

Scrap that. Obviously if Dr Obs then RHK <> Obs.

BUT Dr I don't understand how giving more detail would help scum. you wouldn't know if anyone you observed was town or scum. Apart from Squigs. Whoops. You are saying Squigs is doc. Squigs if you can confirm you are NOT doc we have DrCJG banged to rights.

Am I the only one finding this weird? Like agh

[Durga]

Oh this is so weird to read..

[Durga]

I find it interesting that both claimants are still campaigning as if Squigs lacks anything irrefutable.

I find this statement interesting given that his vote at the time was on flash and I believe he ended on RHK? Counter to Squigs?

[Durga]

##VOTE DrC

RHK seems legitimately pissed at Squigs and neither claimant seems to really buy that he actually has something.

What does this even mean

[Durga]

I said no further questions. Who are your scummates though?

Ok, congratulations on pushing the largest gamethrow since me about 20 games ago.

Gamethrow means he's town bud

Lmao isn't this what you'd call a...scumslip?

[Durga]

We do? I wasn't aware that Dr has been called confirmed town by anyone but Squigs, who openly townread him strongly enough to place him in that group.

nevermind, its obv at squigs, what are you doing

[ghug]

##VOTE DrC

RHK seems legitimately pissed at Squigs and neither claimant seems to really buy that he actually has something.

What does this even mean

It means that neither claimant seemed to believe Squigs actually had proof of something, and RHK's anger about that seemed authentic to me.

Stop asking Squigs about his eight ball. This is not the place for stimulants.

[Durga]

i think rdr is scum

[Durga]

Welp, guess I’ll get a post mortim written up for you dumbfucks. Seeing as the entire case is ‘I can’t tell you’ and ‘you didn’t post at EoN’

- You’ll obviously know DrC is scum. He’s going to hardclaim Doc to try to draw the other PR out. Don’t CC him, just hammer him D6.

- flash or damo was saved, and my money is on flash. I think damo has been a townie used as a smokescreen since D1.

- look at rdr. He’s lazy camped votes on me D1 and D2, and looks like he’s trying to skate along.

- Rally around Durga. Her lategame is normally strong as hell and after this shitshow I have zero faith in our real hardclear.

nothing on bo, ghug?? that sux

i feel like i'm being insulted here

[Durga]

Ok I really feel like Bo is town...................

And ghug is probably scum who didn't want all the scum on RHK

[Durga]

Maybe the fact that literally every dead player is looking at this thread right now is a good sign

why is that necessarily a good sign

[Durga]

Squigs - You better be right or we are screwed.

Why are you still alive

Because scum will never kill an easy myslinch.

kek that should not have been your answer

[Durga]

Bit of VCA:

D1-
Rd, xorxes, Squigs, and yav make Demon a competitive wagon.
Squigs switches off demon to make damo competitive.
Balki ties it at 4 again.
Durga, bozo, and... damo add three to damo in quick succession, putting him at seven.
Thd votes for demon, Balki leaves the wagon, bo joins it.
Worcej flips from Ike to thd, putting demon in third place (6-6-5).
Flash flips from me to thd, making it 7-6-5.
Thd switches from demon to damo, making the demon wagon effectively irrelevant. People (only living one is damo) pile on thd to end the day.

Rd and bo look good. Bozo, Durga, worcej, flash look bad. Damo's self vote doesn't really count as protecting anyone. The thd wagon was demon, then me, then a bunch of dead townies who made it competitive.


D2-
Rd, Balki, Ike put the wagon in contention.
DrC votes Peter to make it 4-4-3 damo-peter-demon.
Peter votes damo.
Damo votes Peter (5-5-3).
Xorxes votes demon.
Demon votes Peter (6-5-4).
A bunch of shifting amongst dead townies.
Flash votes Peter at the end, but the demon wagon had kind of died at this point

Rd looks good. Damo looks bad in that he and demon both seemed to prefer Peter to each other in their defensive votes.


D4-
Dead townies put demon in a 5-5-3 third place.
It peters off, and Balki and Squigs bring it back to three, with the leading wagon now only at four.
With demon, yav, and Ike tied for second (yav was actually dead at this point), bozo moves from yav to demon, bringing him into a tie for first at four.
Demon and Squigs vote Ike and flash respectively, making it 5-4-3 (flash, Ike, demon).
Durga votes for Ike, ties it at 5.
Squigs moves back to demon.
Flash votes for demon, ties it at 5 again.
Balki votes for Ike.
Durga flips to flash, putting demon in third (5-5-4).
Squigs and then Durga move to Ike.

Durga looks bad. Flash and bozo look good.



Overall conclusions are that, of my pool of sheep, Rd looks good, bozo has one good looking day and one bad looking day, which could mean opportunistic bus, and damo looks not great, but is harder to parse because he was defending himself. Outside of that pool, the flash story is similar to the bozo story, and Durga's the only person who might have protected Demon twice, though I really have a hard time seeing her as scum.

bozo and flash seem like the best paths forward, maybe worcej. And I probably need to give Durga and damo closer looks at this point, though I still doubt either is scum. Likely ND too. That post-flip post feels very cardboard, and he hasn't done much in days.

Bo and rd look townier than they did a day ago.

You're assuming d1 that damo is town? Why else would anyone on his wagon look bad

[Squigs44]

Nearly everyone is scumreading or scumleaning ghug, but no one is voting him. Why?

[Durga]

ok lets try

##vote ghug

[Durga]

Sure, sounds reasonable:

##VOTE Durga

Durgas not the right vote today. And you need to stop sheeping.

##vote flash

That is fine. Do it.

i dont know how to take this response

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

flash2015 (4) — ghug, rdrivera2005, Squigs44, ND
Durga (3) — worcej, flash2015, damo666
damo666 (2) — bozotheclown, bo_sox48
ghug (1) — Durga

End Votes (1): flash2015

Flash2015 is headed to the gallows!

There are 4 hours and 30 minute remaining in Day 6

[ghug]

Bit of VCA:

D1-
Rd, xorxes, Squigs, and yav make Demon a competitive wagon.
Squigs switches off demon to make damo competitive.
Balki ties it at 4 again.
Durga, bozo, and... damo add three to damo in quick succession, putting him at seven.
Thd votes for demon, Balki leaves the wagon, bo joins it.
Worcej flips from Ike to thd, putting demon in third place (6-6-5).
Flash flips from me to thd, making it 7-6-5.
Thd switches from demon to damo, making the demon wagon effectively irrelevant. People (only living one is damo) pile on thd to end the day.

Rd and bo look good. Bozo, Durga, worcej, flash look bad. Damo's self vote doesn't really count as protecting anyone. The thd wagon was demon, then me, then a bunch of dead townies who made it competitive.


D2-
Rd, Balki, Ike put the wagon in contention.
DrC votes Peter to make it 4-4-3 damo-peter-demon.
Peter votes damo.
Damo votes Peter (5-5-3).
Xorxes votes demon.
Demon votes Peter (6-5-4).
A bunch of shifting amongst dead townies.
Flash votes Peter at the end, but the demon wagon had kind of died at this point

Rd looks good. Damo looks bad in that he and demon both seemed to prefer Peter to each other in their defensive votes.


D4-
Dead townies put demon in a 5-5-3 third place.
It peters off, and Balki and Squigs bring it back to three, with the leading wagon now only at four.
With demon, yav, and Ike tied for second (yav was actually dead at this point), bozo moves from yav to demon, bringing him into a tie for first at four.
Demon and Squigs vote Ike and flash respectively, making it 5-4-3 (flash, Ike, demon).
Durga votes for Ike, ties it at 5.
Squigs moves back to demon.
Flash votes for demon, ties it at 5 again.
Balki votes for Ike.
Durga flips to flash, putting demon in third (5-5-4).
Squigs and then Durga move to Ike.

Durga looks bad. Flash and bozo look good.



Overall conclusions are that, of my pool of sheep, Rd looks good, bozo has one good looking day and one bad looking day, which could mean opportunistic bus, and damo looks not great, but is harder to parse because he was defending himself. Outside of that pool, the flash story is similar to the bozo story, and Durga's the only person who might have protected Demon twice, though I really have a hard time seeing her as scum.

bozo and flash seem like the best paths forward, maybe worcej. And I probably need to give Durga and damo closer looks at this point, though I still doubt either is scum. Likely ND too. That post-flip post feels very cardboard, and he hasn't done much in days.

Bo and rd look townier than they did a day ago.

You're assuming d1 that damo is town? Why else would anyone on his wagon look bad

Yes, I've vocally townread damo for the entire game. Please pay attention.

Do you have any actual reason for scumreading me, or are you just going to keep saying vague things that occasionally make sense as if they support your conclusion?