Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Frogsterking]

I'm assuming bunnygo also strongly townread brain?

[Kakarroto]

maybe bozo should scan brain so we can be sure

[sweetandcool]

Assumption: Chaqa would receive "Undelivered" if he was role blocked.

Town:

BK3K: LOBBYIST
Heart: INTERNAL AFFAIRS
Neph: RUBER DRIVER
damo/Chaqa: PAPER BOY/DOOR DARTER
Diplomacy: MIDDLE MANAGER
Frog: CURFEW ENFORCER
lfischl: DOCTOR
sweetandcool: DETECTIVE

Confirmed Mafia:

Bozo
Jamiet

[brainbomb]

most of my decisions on who to kill when I am mafia; come during the day, not the night. I usually care very little for what was said in a night, and focus on what a player did during that prior day that scared me. A locked in scum player knows what happened during the day, and who was causing problems for them. They know the type of thread space they want looking ahead, by studying what was problematic looking back.
Bunny spent much of the entire day proving he was reading, watching and waiting. He left receipts in the form of +1 on every post showing he had taken it all in and that is the first sign of a player mafia wants to see dead: someone reading the game.

And you might find that annoying, because allegedly everyone is reading the game, but its very easy to not read every post. and we all know bunny religiously posts his thoughts en masse in discord to the gm. It is his internal process. I am the opposite. my entire process and every whim and thought gets put into this thread and this thread only. I rarely ever will send god thread posts because I leave everything I think out here to see.

So what did Bunny finally say when he started talking day 1? after studying and reading every post on 70 pages of dialogue. here is how he came flying into the game.

I think brain and just are more likely to be town. Brain more than just. Just could be scum.

I think you’re likely town. (to foodcoats)

I think heart is likelier to be scum.

Won’t be voting the new 3 or kaka d1 for reasons of honor.

Ham B seems stupidly scummy. But in a way that makes me think he’s town and just trying to survive a day for once.


Damo voting sweet as a holding vote is off putting. But in a way that makes me think town.

The mech talk is impressively stupid this game. I disagree with all of you. You’re all wrong. And we’ll talk about it tonight.

Bob is towny.

I still don’t understand what’s going on with fish.

I was planning to rile play coming out of quarantine now a sovereign citizen. Then I thought Jamie would hit the wall with the stupidity of it. So we’ll see. I think he’s my teammate so don’t want to put him on tilt.

[sweetandcool]

All that's left is 6 players and three roles.

bob
brainbomb
baby
Kak
worcej
Ham

One of Kak and worcej HAS to be the News Host.
The other one is either Mafia or Mail Man.

One of baby and brainbomb HAS to be Pollster. It is possible baby is Pollster and brain bomb Mail Man, in which case Bob and Ham HAVE to be Mafia.

Otherwise one of baby and brainbomb is Mafia.

[Frogsterking]

Hmm I wonder why babyspice claimed right away

[brainbomb]

The string of bunny go desperate pleas for a cessation of mech talk around 2 hours out from end of day was something that made me heavily townread him.

90 minutes...can we talk about ANYTHING else for the next 90 minutes?

@kak why are you voting damo?

@fishy why do you think I'm voting sweet?

@bozo do you have any non-mech thoughts to share?

@froggy don't forget to vote!!

@all new players: you may change your vote as often as you like up until the end of the day in about 90 minutes.

SO VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN! (just like presidential elections)

Bunny came to life as a leader here and tried to apply jumper cables to a car with a bad alternator. And he was able to get the engine to turn just enough that scum doesnt want someone like this around. Bunny was against mech being the driving force of how we play and solve. He did not beleive that mech would win us the game and felt that it had no place in end of day deliberations on best kill choices.


And mafia got rid of this voice.
Mafia silenced this opinion.

So if he didnt die for his scumreads on heart, frog, neph and jamie
and he didnt die for his reading the game diligently
and he didnt die for his townreads on hamilton, BK, and bob and myself
and he also didnt die for being a towny leader


please go look in the mirror and ask yourself what planet you are living on

[Frogsterking]

All that's left is 6 players and three roles.

bob
brainbomb
baby
Kak
worcej
Ham

One of Kak and worcej HAS to be the News Host.
The other one is either Mafia or Mail Man.

One of baby and brainbomb HAS to be Pollster. It is possible baby is Pollster and brain bomb Mail Man, in which case Bob and Ham HAVE to be Mafia.

Otherwise one of baby and brainbomb is Mafia.

Okay I misremembered and thought brain targeted baby

[sweetandcool]

If I am just repeating others or am somehow unhelpful then I apologize.

Eventually I will flip Detective.

When I do, these results are ironclad.

The most important things to remember are that:

1. Bozo and Jamiet are Mafia.
2. The last three Mafia lie in this group: Kak, worcej, Ham, baby, brainbomb, bob.
3. Everyone else is townclear.
4. At least one of Kak and worcej is Town.
5. At least one of baby and brainbomb is Town.

[sweetandcool]

All that's left is 6 players and three roles.

bob
brainbomb
baby
Kak
worcej
Ham

One of Kak and worcej HAS to be the News Host.
The other one is either Mafia or Mail Man.

One of baby and brainbomb HAS to be Pollster. It is possible baby is Pollster and brain bomb Mail Man, in which case Bob and Ham HAVE to be Mafia.

Otherwise one of baby and brainbomb is Mafia.

Okay I misremembered and thought brain targeted baby

brainbomb claims he targeted baby. If he is Mafia that does not need to be true.

[Kakarroto]

I'm sad Jamie vanished. That's a sign that Mafia probably plans to make us wait. I could be wrong, but it would be really bleargh.

[brainbomb]

@food as for why sweet? I think he has a tell. It’s a stupid tell. I’m ashamed of thinking of it. I hope he fixes it if correct.

He has made 1-2 posts that gave me pause and wonder if he’s town. In particular:

Post 603 is the first time I thought he made a towny post.

But he quickly undid it.

It would be very lacking of me to not talk about BunnyGos scumtell on sweet and discuss the scenarios as well.

though never articulated bunny claims he has a scumtell on sweet which was very alive day 1 for him. it became a point of topic between damo and bunny and there was an exchange over this.

The position damo took today on if bozo claim was real or if sweets was real was interesting and damo made a valid argument that sweet changed his claim after the fact and the result of all of this was instead of us killing Jamie we miskilled food.
Now looking back on this, if we add sweet to the list of scumreads bunny had, it stands to reason mafia went into the night with a plan for sweet, who had faced alot of pressure during day 1, and was a wagon that fell apart ahead of the end of day mark.

JustAGuyNamedWill (4) Diplomacy&Warfare*, foodcoats, bozotheclown, Hamilton Brian, brainbomb
sweetandcool (3) damo666, BunnyGo, lfischl
Chaqa (3) BobMcBob, Kakarroto, worcej
lfischl (2) Chaqa, Jamiet99uk
Frogsterking (2), JustAGuyNamedWill, sweetandcool
Kakarroto (1) Nephthys
BobMcBob (1) heartthrob24909
Diplomacy&Warfare (1) BK3K
BK3K (1) Frogsterking


At this game juncture, sweet is just barely above water vs Just. It is not until the lfischl wagon, and the BK wagon really get ramped up that sweet drops off the pressure plate.

The fact mafia chose to kill someone who wouldve been helpful in revamping a sweet wagon is a very unusual favor to do for someone who was a viable day 1 wagon. We would have to interpret this as mafia conceding they dont think sweet is gonna be able to miskilled, and even if bunny is on the wrong path, something else was more important about bunny dying to focus on instead.

[brainbomb]

damo has zero reason in this galaxy to want to nightkill bunny. damo is actually having a rapport there, and is not suspected by bunny whatsoever.

This scumtell stuff is going to look really silly when I flip.

I'm not voting fisch because I really don't understand the case against them either way.

In fact, I'm a better flip because of this scum tell nonsense. It's never going away so I'm a guaranteed MK at some point.

I also have no idea what they think they saw. Like totally oblivious. I think you have a small chance of being mafia, but I think you're not.

But, if you are the target today, it would be nice to have your thoughts on file. I think we could use them for the future. Not only your reads, also your thoughts for the bozo system with randomization. Do you like it? Do you want changes? Should we not do it?

And other stuff you think we can use and/or are important.

kaka-sweet NOT a scum pair...heard it hear first

Bunny post that probably doesnt push the envelope for scum. if anything this post might be helpful for mafia and this probably is some instance where if true kak and sweet would be in maf chat second guessing a kill saying

{"but look at this now bunny thinks we cant be a team"}

and kak reply would be, "yes but he is too dangerous and he almost had you day 1, and now he has heart and me and frog, so he has to go."

[sweetandcool]

For posterity's sake I'm going to predict that brainbomb is Mafia.

Could be wrong, just a prediction.

[brainbomb]

You said you wanted a mafia game
you said you were tired of the mech
I just gave you some other things to talk about.

[Kakarroto]

For posterity's sake I'm going to predict that brainbomb is Mafia.

Could be wrong, just a prediction.

But I told brain is town. I thought you would destroy bozo's wrong reads, not join them?

[sweetandcool]

For posterity's sake I'm going to predict that brainbomb is Mafia.

Could be wrong, just a prediction.

But I told brain is town. I thought you would destroy bozo's wrong reads, not join them?

Huh? brain is not Townclear.

[Kakarroto]

For posterity's sake I'm going to predict that brainbomb is Mafia.

Could be wrong, just a prediction.

But I told brain is town. I thought you would destroy bozo's wrong reads, not join them?

Huh? brain is not Townclear.

no, but I can't see a world where brain is mafia.

[Chaqa]

A flat world, maybe.

[sweetandcool]

You said you wanted a mafia game
you said you were tired of the mech
I just gave you some other things to talk about.

The problem is that the massclaim already happened and now mechs are unavoidable.

The fact that what was claimed to be trivial actually has turned into a mental exercise makes it at least a little interesting to solve.

Because I know my alignment, I know your argument is wrong, but I'm not going to clog the thread with some sort of debate with you.

I will say that it pleases me that my theory that D1 was all Town wagons has been proven to be correct, and the fact I wasn't specifically pushed as the DK was because any wagon would do for Mafia. And particularly, I would be an easy MK later, so I was at least a less favoured wagon when they could DK someone who would be more difficult to MK later.