Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[Chaqa]

Chaqa who are your scumreads other than Bunny and Will?

I don't really scumread Bunny, I just thought it seemed like what ghug or brain would do given he was absent. He's back now.

I don't have many particularly strong scumreads, but Will *is* leading a charge on one of my strongest townreads and other people who are no longer with us suspected him. I think he's worthy of being a wagon.

This is a 1/10 effort, but it's better than a 0/10 effort

I was pretty sure I did not have enough time to really deeply participate in a mafia game, and I think I'm proven right, for now at least. Oh well. I will go out in a blaze of potatoes.

[bo_sox48]

Lol, it happens. Still love you bro

[yavuzovic]

And I haven't killed damo's wagon. I just presented a reasonable alternative, or two actually, and presented my belief that damo is town. Why is it some big deal that damo has competition? I didn't agree to kill him.

You put some effort though:

##vote Damo

I kinda want to start a wagon on Chaqa but fear letting Damo scape again.

Damo is escaping. So why not start your Chaqa wagon?

[bo_sox48]

Unless meetings end early (lol) I won't be back in any substantial manner for EOD. But I'll try to check my phone near EOD and see if for some reason I need to vote for Will to break a tie. Otherwise, I'm good with my vote. Toodles

[bo_sox48]

And I haven't killed damo's wagon. I just presented a reasonable alternative, or two actually, and presented my belief that damo is town. Why is it some big deal that damo has competition? I didn't agree to kill him.

You put some effort though:

##vote Damo

I kinda want to start a wagon on Chaqa but fear letting Damo scape again.

Damo is escaping. So why not start your Chaqa wagon?

If making a sarcastic comment toward someone who voted for one player and then simultaneously said they would rather vote for someone else qualifies as effort, yeah. Guilty as charged.

I hope to read the answers to my questions whenever I'm back. I'm sure it will be amusing.

[yavuzovic]

Then you can pin that directly on me because Damo has been leading all day long without much resistance and that’s not how obvscum wagons tend to go.

How would obvscum wagons tend to go? I can totally see damo being scum and now the town is being distracted away. At strongest he was only a 5-voter wagon and Bunny IMMEDIATELY switched back, from that point damo wagon only lost voters.

They get saved. Clearly, you think I'm the one doing it, though you also say you don't scumread me, so I'm conflicted.

I cannot recall the last time an obvscum wagon simply persisted and led from the beginning of the day through to the end, and, for clarity, I do not think damo is scum so I don't even know why we are having this conversation. That should answer every single one of your questions around why I am presenting alternatives.

I no longer don't scumread you, and damo wagon persisted probably because it was the 2nd top wagon yesterday and the top wagon flipped town. I can totally see the town keeping damo a top wagon for long.

[yavuzovic]

I voted end on damo but I'm also fine with bozo. I don't like Kak wagon, because, although I'm suspicious about his alignment too, people voting for him except bo all have a history of voting for confirmed towns on both previous days. Given that bo_ was also trying to save damo today, I might as well say that Kak wagon has at least 2 scums. Maybe both damo and bozo are scum and Kak wagon is a response to this?

You don't like the wagon on Kaka, but you scumread Kaka, and you think two teammates are bussing Kaka, but you think damo and bozo are Kaka's teammates and neither damo nor bozo are voting Kaka. Mathematically enlighten me - how can two teammates be bussing Kaka if Kaka is one scum, damo and bozo are two others, and only one remains?

You are misinterpreting what I say, and this is not good for my opinion of your alignment. When I said I'm suspicious of Kak's alignment that was because I thought leaving that would make people think I townread him. I literally explained the thing further in my next post or something.

[Kakarroto]

I guess my question got drowned by my other posts, so here again:

##askGM does mafia need to have a majority for their nk vote (I assume it's a vote, right)? What happens if there is a tie? Do all mafia member need to vote or can they abstain so only one or two can decide the target for the nk?

[Kakarroto]

##vote kak

he feels bad in many of the same ways will does to me, but unlike will he's coming in with a fairly obvious agenda imo

you mean saving town-damo? Sure as heck I am!

dip, Dream and damo are off the table. Pretty sure you and Bunny are town, just less sure as the three before.

I'm not too sure of bozo, but he's a heck of a lot better than voting out damo. If we could vote Paste (or Control V if you like), I'd feel even better. But I'm good with voting along dip here.

[Kakarroto]

GM POST

Vote count 3.6.1 (to account for Chaqa's vote)

Kakarroto (4): BunnyGo*, bo_sox48, miminena, DreamTrawler
damo666 (3): yavuzovic*, rdrivera2005, Control V
bozotheclown (3): JustAGuyNamedWill, DiplomacyandWarfare*, Kakarroto
BunnyGo (1): damo666
DiplomacyandWarfare (1): bozotheclown
JustAGuyNamedWill (1): Chaqa

Kakarroto is set to become gitterkartoffeln.

2.5 hours remain in day 3.

you need to get off me and off damo. Bozo is a good choice, but if you still think it's better to keep him around, then how about Paste?

[Kakarroto]

How would obvscum wagons tend to go? I can totally see damo being scum and now the town is being distracted away. At strongest he was only a 5-voter wagon and Bunny IMMEDIATELY switched back, from that point damo wagon only lost voters.

They get saved. Clearly, you think I'm the one doing it, though you also say you don't scumread me, so I'm conflicted.

I cannot recall the last time an obvscum wagon simply persisted and led from the beginning of the day through to the end, and, for clarity, I do not think damo is scum so I don't even know why we are having this conversation. That should answer every single one of your questions around why I am presenting alternatives.

I no longer don't scumread you, and damo wagon persisted probably because it was the 2nd top wagon yesterday and the top wagon flipped town. I can totally see the town keeping damo a top wagon for long.

and people need to learn how to read damo. He gets constantly misvoted for the strangest things.

Just look at his votes and vote behaviour. Him putting himself up two votes is just NOT maf-damo

[yavuzovic]

I guess my question got drowned by my other posts, so here again:

##askGM does mafia need to have a majority for their nk vote (I assume it's a vote, right)? What happens if there is a tie? Do all mafia member need to vote or can they abstain so only one or two can decide the target for the nk?

Not official answer but if I remember correctly from last time I played scum (3-4 years ago) the tie would be broken in favor of the oldest vote, even if each scum choose a different target. We might still need an official confirmation.

[Kakarroto]

I guess my question got drowned by my other posts, so here again:

##askGM does mafia need to have a majority for their nk vote (I assume it's a vote, right)? What happens if there is a tie? Do all mafia member need to vote or can they abstain so only one or two can decide the target for the nk?

Not official answer but if I remember correctly from last time I played scum (3-4 years ago) the tie would be broken in favor of the oldest vote, even if each scum choose a different target. We might still need an official confirmation.

yeah, that is one way, but there were also games with the youngest vote, and then there are games where everyone has to decide, and ones where it's ok from the GM if only one or two decide

[yavuzovic]

They get saved. Clearly, you think I'm the one doing it, though you also say you don't scumread me, so I'm conflicted.

I cannot recall the last time an obvscum wagon simply persisted and led from the beginning of the day through to the end, and, for clarity, I do not think damo is scum so I don't even know why we are having this conversation. That should answer every single one of your questions around why I am presenting alternatives.

I no longer don't scumread you, and damo wagon persisted probably because it was the 2nd top wagon yesterday and the top wagon flipped town. I can totally see the town keeping damo a top wagon for long.

and people need to learn how to read damo. He gets constantly misvoted for the strangest things.

Just look at his votes and vote behaviour. Him putting himself up two votes is just NOT maf-damo

I still don't like damo's voting behavior. I don't know about how to read damo specifically based on past games. I use a general rule to read everybody and damo is scummy.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I hardclaim the Couch Potato

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think its pretty obviously bozo. He has no drive to solve, hes more reactionary and I just see none of what I expect from town bozo

I guess this is the case on bozo? I think he's pretty awful as town lol

I disagree

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE NO KILL

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I heavily advise killing bozo here. He is not trying to solve and is coasting

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If I die to a singular hotpotato i will be sad

Chaqa explain why I specifically am suspicious for pushing one of your townreads. What about the other people pushing your townreads?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Chaqa/Bozo/Control/Kak final answer?