Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[Squigs44]

@Dr - definitely claim at EoN. You'll most likely be dead in the morning.

I would like the reads list before so we can discuss, if that matters.

No, your opinion doesn't matter. Would you stop being so scummy. I'm trying really hard to townread you.

[ghug]

Would you like me to claim now and give my reads?

The only thing dumber than the way you made your claim to begin with would be to claim fully now. You should give us your reads though, since odds are you'll die tonight. Saving them for the end of the night when we can't discuss them has little purpose.

I don't think I care if the scum team can't discuss my reads tonight... why would town benefit from discussing them tonight?

You don't get to discuss them if you're dead. I don't really care about your reads since they're probably stupid, but the "let's not share thoughts until EoN because scum will see" approach has always bugged me. Discussion is good for town

[ghug]

It all goes back to the early days of webDip mafia: M3.5. The Wild West was an unforgiving world, where lil squiggles was new and scared. Simply looking for a good time, big bad ghug came along, and blew his house down... Sorry, wrong story... Suffice it to say, lil squiggles decided that when he grew up, he wouldn't take crap from ghug anymore, only give it.

You mean the game where I caught all the scum and the SK and then gloriously won the most exciting LYLO we've ever had?

Yeah, unfortunately, you went on to win the game for us after mislynching me

I recall not totally driving your mislynch. If you were going to hold a grudge against me, a smarter choice would be the one where I tunneled you for three days. I understand that you lack my genius, though, so I can't expect you to reach the logical conclusion.

Regardless, I suggest you get the fuck over it.

[flash2015]

Yes, Dr, my opinion of you right now is that high, and so is ghug's apparently.

I'm going to leave for a little while and see if any of the numerous people that watched the last 30 minutes of the day and said nothing cough rdrivera flash cough have noticed anything.

??

After thinking about this for a while, in my professional opinion, that cough sounds like you are coming down with a serious case of confirmation bias. You should get that looked at.

[flash2015]

Where is everybody?

[rdrivera2005]

Yes, Dr, my opinion of you right now is that high, and so is ghug's apparently.

I'm going to leave for a little while and see if any of the numerous people that watched the last 30 minutes of the day and said nothing cough rdrivera flash cough have noticed anything.

??

After thinking about this for a while, in my professional opinion, that cough sounds like you are coming down with a serious case of confirmation bias. You should get that looked at.

I second Flash on this Bo. What else could I say I didn't said before? You are fast to call people stupid but you bought a claim from Demon that would make him one of the worst PR in history. Are you that bad or are you scum?

[Squigs44]

You mean the game where I caught all the scum and the SK and then gloriously won the most exciting LYLO we've ever had?

Yeah, unfortunately, you went on to win the game for us after mislynching me

I recall not totally driving your mislynch. If you were going to hold a grudge against me, a smarter choice would be the one where I tunneled you for three days. I understand that you lack my genius, though, so I can't expect you to reach the logical conclusion.

Regardless, I suggest you get the fuck over it.

No, I'm not dumb enough to factor in a game four years ago against you.

Mostly I just know when you are scum you like to lead town into confusion and let one of your teammates make it to the late game. Combine that with the Demon flip and you look scummy.

[ghug]

Yeah, unfortunately, you went on to win the game for us after mislynching me

I recall not totally driving your mislynch. If you were going to hold a grudge against me, a smarter choice would be the one where I tunneled you for three days. I understand that you lack my genius, though, so I can't expect you to reach the logical conclusion.

Regardless, I suggest you get the fuck over it.

No, I'm not dumb enough to factor in a game four years ago against you.

Mostly I just know when you are scum you like to lead town into confusion and let one of your teammates make it to the late game. Combine that with the Demon flip and you look scummy.

Well no, I lead town into confusion and make it to the late game myself because I'm amazing, but sure, that's a fair characterization of my scum play.

What makes you think I've done that here? I led a mislynch day one, which is a pretty common occurrence. I helped lynch Peter day two. I voted for Ezio with everyone else, which means nothing. I've been on the losing wagon the last two days. There's no consistent pattern of leading the town into confusion or incorrectness. I'm also not sure how RHK implicates me more than anyone else beyond some unsubstantiated shit Balki said and an incredibly shallow reading of the recently completed day.

I don't actually think you're scumreading me over a grudge, but I think you are letting yourself get carried away with fantasies of catching me, which isn't something we have time for right now.

[Squigs44]

I recall not totally driving your mislynch. If you were going to hold a grudge against me, a smarter choice would be the one where I tunneled you for three days. I understand that you lack my genius, though, so I can't expect you to reach the logical conclusion.

Regardless, I suggest you get the fuck over it.

No, I'm not dumb enough to factor in a game four years ago against you.

Mostly I just know when you are scum you like to lead town into confusion and let one of your teammates make it to the late game. Combine that with the Demon flip and you look scummy.

Well no, I lead town into confusion and make it to the late game myself because I'm amazing, but sure, that's a fair characterization of my scum play.

What makes you think I've done that here? I led a mislynch day one, which is a pretty common occurrence. I helped lynch Peter day two. I voted for Ezio with everyone else, which means nothing. I've been on the losing wagon the last two days. There's no consistent pattern of leading the town into confusion or incorrectness. I'm also not sure how RHK implicates me more than anyone else beyond some unsubstantiated shit Balki said and an incredibly shallow reading of the recently completed day.

I don't actually think you're scumreading me over a grudge, but I think you are letting yourself get carried away with fantasies of catching me, which isn't something we have time for right now.

I admit my vote on you is mostly on feelings right now. I promise not to vote you tomorrow without putting up a real case that you can defend yourself against.

[Squigs44]

No, I'm not dumb enough to factor in a game four years ago against you.

Mostly I just know when you are scum you like to lead town into confusion and let one of your teammates make it to the late game. Combine that with the Demon flip and you look scummy.

Well no, I lead town into confusion and make it to the late game myself because I'm amazing, but sure, that's a fair characterization of my scum play.

What makes you think I've done that here? I led a mislynch day one, which is a pretty common occurrence. I helped lynch Peter day two. I voted for Ezio with everyone else, which means nothing. I've been on the losing wagon the last two days. There's no consistent pattern of leading the town into confusion or incorrectness. I'm also not sure how RHK implicates me more than anyone else beyond some unsubstantiated shit Balki said and an incredibly shallow reading of the recently completed day.

I don't actually think you're scumreading me over a grudge, but I think you are letting yourself get carried away with fantasies of catching me, which isn't something we have time for right now.

I admit my vote on you is mostly on feelings right now. I promise not to vote you tomorrow without putting up a real case that you can defend yourself against.

Or rather, prevote of you. I can't vote you yet.

[ghug]

Bit of VCA:

D1-
Rd, xorxes, Squigs, and yav make Demon a competitive wagon.
Squigs switches off demon to make damo competitive.
Balki ties it at 4 again.
Durga, bozo, and... damo add three to damo in quick succession, putting him at seven.
Thd votes for demon, Balki leaves the wagon, bo joins it.
Worcej flips from Ike to thd, putting demon in third place (6-6-5).
Flash flips from me to thd, making it 7-6-5.
Thd switches from demon to damo, making the demon wagon effectively irrelevant. People (only living one is damo) pile on thd to end the day.

Rd and bo look good. Bozo, Durga, worcej, flash look bad. Damo's self vote doesn't really count as protecting anyone. The thd wagon was demon, then me, then a bunch of dead townies who made it competitive.


D2-
Rd, Balki, Ike put the wagon in contention.
DrC votes Peter to make it 4-4-3 damo-peter-demon.
Peter votes damo.
Damo votes Peter (5-5-3).
Xorxes votes demon.
Demon votes Peter (6-5-4).
A bunch of shifting amongst dead townies.
Flash votes Peter at the end, but the demon wagon had kind of died at this point

Rd looks good. Damo looks bad in that he and demon both seemed to prefer Peter to each other in their defensive votes.


D4-
Dead townies put demon in a 5-5-3 third place.
It peters off, and Balki and Squigs bring it back to three, with the leading wagon now only at four.
With demon, yav, and Ike tied for second (yav was actually dead at this point), bozo moves from yav to demon, bringing him into a tie for first at four.
Demon and Squigs vote Ike and flash respectively, making it 5-4-3 (flash, Ike, demon).
Durga votes for Ike, ties it at 5.
Squigs moves back to demon.
Flash votes for demon, ties it at 5 again.
Balki votes for Ike.
Durga flips to flash, putting demon in third (5-5-4).
Squigs and then Durga move to Ike.

Durga looks bad. Flash and bozo look good.



Overall conclusions are that, of my pool of sheep, Rd looks good, bozo has one good looking day and one bad looking day, which could mean opportunistic bus, and damo looks not great, but is harder to parse because he was defending himself. Outside of that pool, the flash story is similar to the bozo story, and Durga's the only person who might have protected Demon twice, though I really have a hard time seeing her as scum.

bozo and flash seem like the best paths forward, maybe worcej. And I probably need to give Durga and damo closer looks at this point, though I still doubt either is scum. Likely ND too. That post-flip post feels very cardboard, and he hasn't done much in days.

Bo and rd look townier than they did a day ago.

[bo_sox48]

Yes, Dr, my opinion of you right now is that high, and so is ghug's apparently.

I'm going to leave for a little while and see if any of the numerous people that watched the last 30 minutes of the day and said nothing cough rdrivera flash cough have noticed anything.

??

After thinking about this for a while, in my professional opinion, that cough sounds like you are coming down with a serious case of confirmation bias. You should get that looked at.

This is not an observation from the EOD that you watched without participating in. Please provide your thought process on how you handled the EOD and some analysis of the EOD from your perspective.

I second Flash on this Bo. What else could I say I didn't said before? You are fast to call people stupid but you bought a claim from Demon that would make him one of the worst PR in history. Are you that bad or are you scum?

Obviously one or the other. Are you asking rhetorically? I don’t know if it is necessary for me to remind you that you were “completely torn on this claim thing” in your last meaningful post of the day (the post where you actually cast your vote for RHK), but I’ll take the opportunity to do so anyway if you’re going to act as if you were completely certain the entire time and that there was no other way to see things.

You could have weighed in on the matter in any way you like. You cast the go-ahead vote on RHK. You specifically said that you were sheeping Squigs. Why? You asked Squigs to share what he discovered, and like he did with everyone else he refused. Were you okay with that?

You did not post in the last 2 hours and 30 minutes of the phase after you cast your vote other than to say the following on page 143:

Squigs - You better be right or we are screwed.

What were you doing in the other 2 hours and 31 minutes between your posts? What were you doing in the last 5 hours and 24 minutes of the day between your first post acknowledging Dr’s counterclaim and the EOD? Were you watching? Were you sleeping? Were you masturbating? You made it 4-3 in favor of RHK, an advantage that his lynch never lost, and yet you never really seemed to care about the result. You never asked RHK a single question despite posting regularly shortly after Dr’s counterclaim came out. You never pushed Dr to answer the only question that you did ask him. So please tell me what was going on in that time that made you certain enough to call RHK’s claim “one of the worst PR (claims) in history” yet “completely torn on this claim thing” and yet still be so unconcerned with the result that you didn’t even try to resolve things.

I will be voting you at daybreak regardless of your reply, by the way, so no rush.

[worcej]

No, your opinion doesn't matter. Would you stop being so scummy. I'm trying really hard to townread you.

At least you're trying? That means there may be some hope for me to get less scum-vibey down the road.

[rdrivera2005]

??

After thinking about this for a while, in my professional opinion, that cough sounds like you are coming down with a serious case of confirmation bias. You should get that looked at.

This is not an observation from the EOD that you watched without participating in. Please provide your thought process on how you handled the EOD and some analysis of the EOD from your perspective.

I second Flash on this Bo. What else could I say I didn't said before? You are fast to call people stupid but you bought a claim from Demon that would make him one of the worst PR in history. Are you that bad or are you scum?

Obviously one or the other. Are you asking rhetorically? I don’t know if it is necessary for me to remind you that you were “completely torn on this claim thing” in your last meaningful post of the day (the post where you actually cast your vote for RHK), but I’ll take the opportunity to do so anyway if you’re going to act as if you were completely certain the entire time and that there was no other way to see things.

You could have weighed in on the matter in any way you like. You cast the go-ahead vote on RHK. You specifically said that you were sheeping Squigs. Why? You asked Squigs to share what he discovered, and like he did with everyone else he refused. Were you okay with that?

You did not post in the last 2 hours and 30 minutes of the phase after you cast your vote other than to say the following on page 143:

Squigs - You better be right or we are screwed.

What were you doing in the other 2 hours and 31 minutes between your posts? What were you doing in the last 5 hours and 24 minutes of the day between your first post acknowledging Dr’s counterclaim and the EOD? Were you watching? Were you sleeping? Were you masturbating? You made it 4-3 in favor of RHK, an advantage that his lynch never lost, and yet you never really seemed to care about the result. You never asked RHK a single question despite posting regularly shortly after Dr’s counterclaim came out. You never pushed Dr to answer the only question that you did ask him. So please tell me what was going on in that time that made you certain enough to call RHK’s claim “one of the worst PR (claims) in history” yet “completely torn on this claim thing” and yet still be so unconcerned with the result that you didn’t even try to resolve things.

I will be voting you at daybreak regardless of your reply, by the way, so no rush.

I find pretty interesting you are so sure we both will be alive at daybreak.

What I was doing in the hours before EOD? I was working until 6PM and then I leave to take my daughter as his dance school. This EOD time is pretty bad to me on Mondays and Wednesdays.

I asked Demon about observing Worcej last night that didn't make any sense, but you expect me to push the lurch of an uncced PR claim? I never do that.

[bo_sox48]

Why wouldn't we be? There's a clear PR and an oracle reveal still alive. I expect we both have at least two days left.

There was no uncced PR claim. It was a countered PR claim. That's why we lynched who we did, remember?

You asked DrCJG one question: "Why wait until so close to EOD?" You asked RHK zero questions. You said you were torn. You sheeped Squigs. You did nothing on your own. Then, after all that, you tell me how certain the whole ordeal was, like there was never any doubt, and that I'm either "that bad" or scum. You tell me that there was nothing for you to say because it was so goddamn clear, yet by your own admission it never was and you never gave a second thought to the whole thing.

You're scum. The rest of the town may not buy it, but it's true, and you know it.

[flash2015]

??

After thinking about this for a while, in my professional opinion, that cough sounds like you are coming down with a serious case of confirmation bias. You should get that looked at.

This is not an observation from the EOD that you watched without participating in. Please provide your thought process on how you handled the EOD and some analysis of the EOD from your perspective.

I am not sure what the algorithm is for being online (refresh in the last minute, last five minutes, last 10 minutes?)...but I was busy in the past half hour talking to my wife. I cannot watch this game every waking moment. I don't think there was that much useful happening in the last half hour. The next point of interest will be what DrCJG reveals and what happens at EON.

[bozotheclown]

I am glad it worked out, but I think the observer counterclaiming DemonRHK right away would have been the better way to go. I have the feeling that the scum team has a better idea what is going on with the PRs than most of the town.

If DrCJG and Squigs are going to keep the specifics of their claims hidden, I do not think it is worth discussing their claims tonight.

If the box ended up with a town player, I think they should perform a list so they do not risk exploding. I am sure that is what the scum will do if they have the box, there is no reason to increase the chances that the box kills a town player. They should also let us know they have the box and where it will be sent, so we can try to keep track of the box.

[ghug]

I am glad it worked out, but I think the observer counterclaiming DemonRHK right away would have been the better way to go. I have the feeling that the scum team has a better idea what is going on with the PRs than most of the town.

If DrCJG and Squigs are going to keep the specifics of their claims hidden, I do not think it is worth discussing their claims tonight.

If the box ended up with a town player, I think they should perform a list so they do not risk exploding. I am sure that is what the scum will do if they have the box, there is no reason to increase the chances that the box kills a town player. They should also let us know they have the box and where it will be sent, so we can try to keep track of the box.

Strongly disagree. We're on track for MYLO. Your death doesn't cost us a mislynch, it just reduces the pool of potential mislynches.

[damo666]

Well I got the box. I guess I list with 50% rather than take 33,3%.

Who should I pass to? A kill I think.

Only demonRHK voters need respond.

[damo666]

Actually if demonRHK listed it's 2/3 take
Yes?