MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

xorxes (6)
thamrick Ezio LordQuas MoscowFleet Nephthys Jamiet99uk

Ezio (5)
bozotheclown rdrivera2005 Percy Williams xorxes worcej

I'm looking at the xorxes wagon and I have to consider that 1 scum is bussing

Ezio is confirmed non-scum, his gambit was weird if he's alien, I still maintain my position that he was town fishing for reaction

Run me through why Ezio is confirmed non scum again, I might be having a brain fart but I've been townreading him for days and I don't remember him ever being CONFIRMED

I'm not Confirmed. People on this site use that word too easily. I'm super likely non scum due to the interactions between me/xorxes/worcej

Ezio, as you seem to be around, could you give your reads on people?

[Vaporwave]

Neph

- starts bragging how he never got lynched in 4 games
- claims Vecna is hard scum
- flirts with emc (pocketing much, eh?)
- has a case on Vecna, says he's copying town meta, but now from short and sweet, Vecna's posts are long and verbose
- tries to link him with emc
- has me, Squigs and Jamiet as main towncore
- his D1 POE is very fluffy
- stops scumreading emc after one of his replies
- but WAIT later still puts emc in a pile of people that he wanna lynch
- gets suspicious of me even though I've been more than reasonable with him
- after driver's result, he no longer scumreads Vecna, has a huge POE though
- N2 makes a case on worcej, being happy to vote him
- Neph says I might have TMI because I stated that 2 scum are left, yet I wasn't the only one saying this
- he also says that dargo was pretty scum, which means Neph that you also think there's only 2 scum left
- he says Vecna clears himself with the xorxes vote yet there was no Vecna on xorxes, later he remembers about Ike's claim


His scumpainting of emc reeks, him having me as towncore then changing direction suddenly is terrible and his desire to lynch worcej is fine but it was just a desire and we don't know if he faked it or not

Neph is still in my poe, we know for sure that he's not Alien since he came up pure in emc's result

[Vaporwave]

There were a few inconsistencies in Neph's fraudulent case against me, I'll answer the points if people are interested

but it's related to me not pushing for scum. But then I ask when did Neph push for scum? At least, I had dargo and worcej in poe and found them iffy, while you were obsessed with Vecna and emc until they slapped your nose with truth and made you retreat

Neph's just weird this game, comparing him with bozo, I think bozo is slight townier in comparison

[Vaporwave]

I've also looked into Percy and there's nothing much there except for an infatuation with Jamiet and a wanting to get Ezio

Openly claims that he has no alien or scum reads

Has an interesting self-talk about how he did great if he were alien or scum cause he flew under radar

I need result/info on Percy asap, his later posts are betterr, he's full of charisma this game for some reason which kinda reminds me of Neph's last game when he was using sugary words to appear likeable (Neph was scum there)

A big, big Tinfoil (hat) on Percy

[Vaporwave]

rivera and emc are the only confirme players

Other 3 likelier town are: Jamiet with his scan on scum, Vecna because of rivera's driver bus and Ezio by being outrageous with alien claim


Don't have anything to hold onto but their posts seem townie:
Moscow
thamrick

edgar allan Poe:

Neph - a sly fox
bozo - could be, but I kinda slight townlean bozo? it's tiny, lilliputian townlean, but it's there and I need to mention it
Percy - not Aussie
Ike

still think dargo was scum

[Vaporwave]

We are on D4 already, assassin didn't shoot which I find weird, he has plenty of confirmed options to choose from and can shoot during day, don't think he has abstained but rather that it was dargo (this is pure speculation)

so I guess there's only 1 mafia left and 1 alien

Alien could be basically anyone but Neph, rivera, e.m.c

[Percy Williams]

I've also looked into Percy and there's nothing much there except for an infatuation with Jamiet and a wanting to get Ezio

Openly claims that he has no alien or scum reads

Has an interesting self-talk about how he did great if he were alien or scum cause he flew under radar

I need result/info on Percy asap, his later posts are betterr, he's full of charisma this game for some reason which kinda reminds me of Neph's last game when he was using sugary words to appear likeable (Neph was scum there)

A big, big Tinfoil (hat) on Percy

Early game I had no scumreads (I was a little confused to be honest), but then later when asked for reads in general I provided this:

I read Ezio as scum, he's just been too unhelpful and thrown one too many spanners into the works.
I'm strongly considering Ike might be alien. I am inclined to believe the claim he tested positive for alien deoxyribonucleic acid, as that claim doesn't give EMC a townlean. Ike's continued roleblock would explain the lack of infectees, and I believe his claiming the role block is an attempt to look like an open town.

Town read list
Thamrick
Vecna
Jamie
Rdr

Vapour is in a nice country house right by the town,
And lord Q has often been sighted in the town, but the location of his house is unconfirmed.
Bozo has the mark of suspicion on him, especially when he kept trying to vote worcej himself day three, and only left when he was attacked for not following the plan. This could be earnest town, or Scum bussing for town cred.
This list is completely serious, I'm just trying to make it fun to read with flowery language.

I would chalk up any charisma to me trying to learn how to sound good to everyone as a general mafia player (This is only my second game) and I honestly thought I was annoying people the same amount, if not more.

[Vaporwave]

we share similar POE Percyphallus

I'm very curious as to who could be that last scum?

[LordQuas]

went to make nachos and eat, back now, how tf do I keep missing vapor

regarding Percy, I ~think he's town for a few things, mostly his weird tone? Which feels like scum would jump to avoid posting like he has. But I also think if you're willing to follow me into the tinfoil zone here that his complete hedginess on outed wolves is actually SUPER town indicative. A wolf would jump at the chance to get cred for already outed scum buddies, especially one like Percy who hasn't had any impact and is liable to die just to the narrowing of POE. Him being so... just weird about the whole worcej thing

on the flip side his joke vote on d1 onto Worcej doesn't look great, since I find a lot of wolves make their joke votes onto their buddies d1 to avoid drawing heat from a town who wants to call people out on it. If people are like "why did you vote X player" they just go "oh look it was a joke they have no problem right?" and the recipient is guaranteed to say it's not a big deal. Also they've likely been chatting pre game and thus feel more comfortable. It's 100% not a strict thing but it's just an idea I've been toying around with lately and find that it's true >rand of the time

But perhaps best for him he has a scum calling out of Xorxes here

Looking back with the benefit of bot sight, Xorxes seems a bit scum, talking about the alien and vote manipulation, avoiding talking about people besides mild meta comments. The kind of posts that look like a lot, but don't really help.

which you could argue MIGHT be bussing, but I think it looks really good for him considering it was actually before thamrick even voted Xorxes for the first time that day. Xorxes had garnered not that much suspicion and was sitting at zero votes. I could see it being a nice predictive play that sets up for future busses but Percy didn't even capitalize on it, if he really wanted to he could have voted Xorxes EoD for the sweet buss and pointed back at this as evidence that it wasn't just an opportunistic switch

Strong lean town on him at least compared to the rest of the people in the PoE. I think a lot of the people sussing him are only looking surface level and bozo looks especially bad and like he's trying to get a lhf lynch for doing so

[bozotheclown]

went to make nachos and eat, back now, how tf do I keep missing vapor

regarding Percy, I ~think he's town for a few things, mostly his weird tone? Which feels like scum would jump to avoid posting like he has. But I also think if you're willing to follow me into the tinfoil zone here that his complete hedginess on outed wolves is actually SUPER town indicative. A wolf would jump at the chance to get cred for already outed scum buddies, especially one like Percy who hasn't had any impact and is liable to die just to the narrowing of POE. Him being so... just weird about the whole worcej thing

on the flip side his joke vote on d1 onto Worcej doesn't look great, since I find a lot of wolves make their joke votes onto their buddies d1 to avoid drawing heat from a town who wants to call people out on it. If people are like "why did you vote X player" they just go "oh look it was a joke they have no problem right?" and the recipient is guaranteed to say it's not a big deal. Also they've likely been chatting pre game and thus feel more comfortable. It's 100% not a strict thing but it's just an idea I've been toying around with lately and find that it's true >rand of the time

But perhaps best for him he has a scum calling out of Xorxes here

Looking back with the benefit of bot sight, Xorxes seems a bit scum, talking about the alien and vote manipulation, avoiding talking about people besides mild meta comments. The kind of posts that look like a lot, but don't really help.

which you could argue MIGHT be bussing, but I think it looks really good for him considering it was actually before thamrick even voted Xorxes for the first time that day. Xorxes had garnered not that much suspicion and was sitting at zero votes. I could see it being a nice predictive play that sets up for future busses but Percy didn't even capitalize on it, if he really wanted to he could have voted Xorxes EoD for the sweet buss and pointed back at this as evidence that it wasn't just an opportunistic switch

Strong lean town on him at least compared to the rest of the people in the PoE. I think a lot of the people sussing him are only looking surface level and bozo looks especially bad and like he's trying to get a lhf lynch for doing so

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

[LordQuas]

went to make nachos and eat, back now, how tf do I keep missing vapor

regarding Percy, I ~think he's town for a few things, mostly his weird tone? Which feels like scum would jump to avoid posting like he has. But I also think if you're willing to follow me into the tinfoil zone here that his complete hedginess on outed wolves is actually SUPER town indicative. A wolf would jump at the chance to get cred for already outed scum buddies, especially one like Percy who hasn't had any impact and is liable to die just to the narrowing of POE. Him being so... just weird about the whole worcej thing

on the flip side his joke vote on d1 onto Worcej doesn't look great, since I find a lot of wolves make their joke votes onto their buddies d1 to avoid drawing heat from a town who wants to call people out on it. If people are like "why did you vote X player" they just go "oh look it was a joke they have no problem right?" and the recipient is guaranteed to say it's not a big deal. Also they've likely been chatting pre game and thus feel more comfortable. It's 100% not a strict thing but it's just an idea I've been toying around with lately and find that it's true >rand of the time

But perhaps best for him he has a scum calling out of Xorxes here

Looking back with the benefit of bot sight, Xorxes seems a bit scum, talking about the alien and vote manipulation, avoiding talking about people besides mild meta comments. The kind of posts that look like a lot, but don't really help.

which you could argue MIGHT be bussing, but I think it looks really good for him considering it was actually before thamrick even voted Xorxes for the first time that day. Xorxes had garnered not that much suspicion and was sitting at zero votes. I could see it being a nice predictive play that sets up for future busses but Percy didn't even capitalize on it, if he really wanted to he could have voted Xorxes EoD for the sweet buss and pointed back at this as evidence that it wasn't just an opportunistic switch

Strong lean town on him at least compared to the rest of the people in the PoE. I think a lot of the people sussing him are only looking surface level and bozo looks especially bad and like he's trying to get a lhf lynch for doing so

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

He didn't really bus worcej though at all, he openly stated that the obvious joke vote was a joke

and I addressed how in order for him to be a scum bussing Xorx he would need to exactly make the call to buss that one teammate literally a few hours before they flipped AS WELL as making the call to neither do anything to save or claim more credit for the lynch

I guess it's possible he's assassin and in that case he would know he was bussing, but then your entire thing of how he was bussing doesn't make sense in the first place. You just pointed out all of the things I said were possible counterarguments and then failed to acknowledge why I think they're wrong or not as impactful as they look at first

[bozotheclown]

went to make nachos and eat, back now, how tf do I keep missing vapor

regarding Percy, I ~think he's town for a few things, mostly his weird tone? Which feels like scum would jump to avoid posting like he has. But I also think if you're willing to follow me into the tinfoil zone here that his complete hedginess on outed wolves is actually SUPER town indicative. A wolf would jump at the chance to get cred for already outed scum buddies, especially one like Percy who hasn't had any impact and is liable to die just to the narrowing of POE. Him being so... just weird about the whole worcej thing

on the flip side his joke vote on d1 onto Worcej doesn't look great, since I find a lot of wolves make their joke votes onto their buddies d1 to avoid drawing heat from a town who wants to call people out on it. If people are like "why did you vote X player" they just go "oh look it was a joke they have no problem right?" and the recipient is guaranteed to say it's not a big deal. Also they've likely been chatting pre game and thus feel more comfortable. It's 100% not a strict thing but it's just an idea I've been toying around with lately and find that it's true >rand of the time

But perhaps best for him he has a scum calling out of Xorxes here


which you could argue MIGHT be bussing, but I think it looks really good for him considering it was actually before thamrick even voted Xorxes for the first time that day. Xorxes had garnered not that much suspicion and was sitting at zero votes. I could see it being a nice predictive play that sets up for future busses but Percy didn't even capitalize on it, if he really wanted to he could have voted Xorxes EoD for the sweet buss and pointed back at this as evidence that it wasn't just an opportunistic switch

Strong lean town on him at least compared to the rest of the people in the PoE. I think a lot of the people sussing him are only looking surface level and bozo looks especially bad and like he's trying to get a lhf lynch for doing so

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

He didn't really bus worcej though at all, he openly stated that the obvious joke vote was a joke

and I addressed how in order for him to be a scum bussing Xorx he would need to exactly make the call to buss that one teammate literally a few hours before they flipped AS WELL as making the call to neither do anything to save or claim more credit for the lynch

I guess it's possible he's assassin and in that case he would know he was bussing, but then your entire thing of how he was bussing doesn't make sense in the first place. You just pointed out all of the things I said were possible counterarguments and then failed to acknowledge why I think they're wrong or not as impactful as they look at first

I did not see anything about Percy's vote on worcej that looked like a joke vote, only an early D1 vote. You seemed to be town reading Percy for his interactions with worcej and xorxes, but my point was that they looks like typical attempts at separation to me.

[Percy Williams]

[Ker-snip!]

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

What's your thought process on linking me/Ezio As one or the other scum?

[dargorygel]

##GM NOITE
VOTE COUNT 4.4

RagingIke297 (3) Vecna, Vapor, Percy
Vaporwave (2) Nephthys, Jamiet
Percy Williams (2) thamrick, bozo
Rdrivera2005 (1) Ike
Unvote (1) LQ

No End votes
Non-voters: emc, Ezio, MF, rdrviera
RagingIke is scheduled for lynching
Day ends in 19 hours and 36 minutes

[LordQuas]

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

He didn't really bus worcej though at all, he openly stated that the obvious joke vote was a joke

and I addressed how in order for him to be a scum bussing Xorx he would need to exactly make the call to buss that one teammate literally a few hours before they flipped AS WELL as making the call to neither do anything to save or claim more credit for the lynch

I guess it's possible he's assassin and in that case he would know he was bussing, but then your entire thing of how he was bussing doesn't make sense in the first place. You just pointed out all of the things I said were possible counterarguments and then failed to acknowledge why I think they're wrong or not as impactful as they look at first

I did not see anything about Percy's vote on worcej that looked like a joke vote, only an early D1 vote. You seemed to be town reading Percy for his interactions with worcej and xorxes, but my point was that they looks like typical attempts at separation to me.

he voted worcej because of Ike's lynch order where he predicted we vote every single player in order

it's in the quote

really not sure how you missed it, or did you just look at the vote history and not the actual post

[LordQuas]

[Ker-snip!]

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

What's your thought process on linking me/Ezio As one or the other scum?

yeah, also that's a really gross associative read. Remember what I said about how Vapor looks good for leaning towards townreading potential POE targets cause it makes it harder for him to set up for a future win?

[bozotheclown]

[Ker-snip!]

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

What's your thought process on linking me/Ezio As one or the other scum?

I doubt you would hard bus Ezio D1 and D2.

[Percy Williams]

He didn't really bus worcej though at all, he openly stated that the obvious joke vote was a joke

and I addressed how in order for him to be a scum bussing Xorx he would need to exactly make the call to buss that one teammate literally a few hours before they flipped AS WELL as making the call to neither do anything to save or claim more credit for the lynch

I guess it's possible he's assassin and in that case he would know he was bussing, but then your entire thing of how he was bussing doesn't make sense in the first place. You just pointed out all of the things I said were possible counterarguments and then failed to acknowledge why I think they're wrong or not as impactful as they look at first

I did not see anything about Percy's vote on worcej that looked like a joke vote, only an early D1 vote. You seemed to be town reading Percy for his interactions with worcej and xorxes, but my point was that they looks like typical attempts at separation to me.

he voted worcej because of Ike's lynch order where he predicted we vote every single player in order

it's in the quote

really not sure how you missed it, or did you just look at the vote history and not the actual post

Also the joke was that Ike's predicted lynch order had me winning. So "I [was] okay with this"

[bozotheclown]

He didn't really bus worcej though at all, he openly stated that the obvious joke vote was a joke

and I addressed how in order for him to be a scum bussing Xorx he would need to exactly make the call to buss that one teammate literally a few hours before they flipped AS WELL as making the call to neither do anything to save or claim more credit for the lynch

I guess it's possible he's assassin and in that case he would know he was bussing, but then your entire thing of how he was bussing doesn't make sense in the first place. You just pointed out all of the things I said were possible counterarguments and then failed to acknowledge why I think they're wrong or not as impactful as they look at first

I did not see anything about Percy's vote on worcej that looked like a joke vote, only an early D1 vote. You seemed to be town reading Percy for his interactions with worcej and xorxes, but my point was that they looks like typical attempts at separation to me.

he voted worcej because of Ike's lynch order where he predicted we vote every single player in order

it's in the quote

really not sure how you missed it, or did you just look at the vote history and not the actual post

This is all Percy said:

I'm good with this
##VOTE WORCEJ

How does this imply it was a joke? It could imply he was scum reading worcej and was OK with the D1 lynch.

[bozotheclown]

[Ker-snip!]

I disagree, I think Percy Williams is a good scum candidate, with minor bussing of worcej and xorxes before landing on Ezio D1 and D2. I highly doubt both Percy Williams and Ezio are scum, but if Percy Williams is town, Ezio is a scum possibility, especially as assassin. Either way I think Ezio is a possibility as the alien.

What's your thought process on linking me/Ezio As one or the other scum?

yeah, also that's a really gross associative read. Remember what I said about how Vapor looks good for leaning towards townreading potential POE targets cause it makes it harder for him to set up for a future win?

That is a decent point, but he could worry about that later.