M1010 Mini-Mafia

[bozotheclown]

It is not difficult for scum to make arguments and analysis that seem town motivated, especially if they are sparse and far between. So that may be a good reason for not scumreading him, but not a very strong reason for townreading him. My issue is that it would have been very easy for you, if you were scum, to find everything he said town motivated, because you would have known that indeed it was.

Anyway, I'll move on now.

Sure, it is possible to be fooled by scum if they play well. By that argument, you should never town read anyone.

There are much better reasons to townread people than them sharing your opinions. Especially on mechanical matters.

If a player makes an argument or assessment that I agree with but have not already stated, or something that I had not thought but agree with, I think that is a good reason to think they might me town. Obviously this is not always true, but it is an indicator that they are thinking from a town perspective.

[Foxcastle]

I didn't say exclude him entirely, I said to exculde the Bozo + Worcej team.

What do you thing of Brain + Worcej? Would scum brain gamble like that with the two scum that could not have been tracked?

Yes, I understand the difference between excluding teams and excluding Bozo entirely. I was reacting to your suggestion, not ignoring it.

Can you point me at the Brain/Worcej thing you mean? I have a lot of tabs open and it's all kinda become a blur...

Brain has been scumming me periodically and then made the fakeclaim of being tracker.

And then voting Jamiet a couple times, on top of it...

I think it's possible he would do that yeah, if only because he also hit a bunch of other people in quick succession and because it was early enough in the day, if he was scum, he probably knew that even if he did manage to initiate a wagon on scum-Worcej, there was plenty of time for it to dissipate.

What do we think of Brain's absence? I hate to think that town-brain would just give up, whereas I think that if scum-Brain thought he'd be lynched, he might have mistakenly assumed he didn't need to come back. I don't feel that either is particularly likely, so which unlikely scenario is it?

[bozotheclown]

The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Bozo would ask this question. It was quite obvious, and at various points in the previous game he commented on it. He can remember Bo's bus rate across a bunch of games but not who he nearly mislynched last game???

Are we talking about the same last game? I was scum last game, and I was arguing against lynching you when you almost got lynched, which was not until D5. I also never thought it was likely you were scum. So, my question was, why do you think you looked bad? You never claimed you were scum or refused to answer questions.

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

[Foxcastle]

Are we talking about the same last game? I was scum last game, and I was arguing against lynching you when you almost got lynched, which was not until D5. I also never thought it was likely you were scum. So, my question was, why do you think you looked bad? You never claimed you were scum or refused to answer questions.

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

That was a misstatement on my part, and beside the point. I was widely and vocally described as "looking bad" last game by numerous players and nearly mislynched for it. It was obvious and recent, so why does Bozo need a refresher on it?

[worcej]

Are we talking about the same last game? I was scum last game, and I was arguing against lynching you when you almost got lynched, which was not until D5. I also never thought it was likely you were scum. So, my question was, why do you think you looked bad? You never claimed you were scum or refused to answer questions.

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

So you forgot you scanned him, yet implied you didn't think he was scum on D5 and advocated against lynching him?

[damo666]

Yes, I understand the difference between excluding teams and excluding Bozo entirely. I was reacting to your suggestion, not ignoring it.

Can you point me at the Brain/Worcej thing you mean? I have a lot of tabs open and it's all kinda become a blur...

Brain has been scumming me periodically and then made the fakeclaim of being tracker.

And then voting Jamiet a couple times, on top of it...

I think it's possible he would do that yeah, if only because he also hit a bunch of other people in quick succession and because it was early enough in the day, if he was scum, he probably knew that even if he did manage to initiate a wagon on scum-Worcej, there was plenty of time for it to dissipate.

What do we think of Brain's absence? I hate to think that town-brain would just give up, whereas I think that if scum-Brain thought he'd be lynched, he might have mistakenly assumed he didn't need to come back. I don't feel that either is particularly likely, so which unlikely scenario is it?

either embarrassed town or lurking scum

[worcej]

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

That was a misstatement on my part, and beside the point. I was widely and vocally described as "looking bad" last game by numerous players and nearly mislynched for it. It was obvious and recent, so why does Bozo need a refresher on it?

Because he is fishing for statements to build a case.

[bozotheclown]

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

That was a misstatement on my part, and beside the point. I was widely and vocally described as "looking bad" last game by numerous players and nearly mislynched for it. It was obvious and recent, so why does Bozo need a refresher on it?

I want to know what you think you did in M54 that made you "look bad".

[Foxcastle]

Brain has been scumming me periodically and then made the fakeclaim of being tracker.

And then voting Jamiet a couple times, on top of it...

I think it's possible he would do that yeah, if only because he also hit a bunch of other people in quick succession and because it was early enough in the day, if he was scum, he probably knew that even if he did manage to initiate a wagon on scum-Worcej, there was plenty of time for it to dissipate.

What do we think of Brain's absence? I hate to think that town-brain would just give up, whereas I think that if scum-Brain thought he'd be lynched, he might have mistakenly assumed he didn't need to come back. I don't feel that either is particularly likely, so which unlikely scenario is it?

either embarrassed town or lurking scum

I don't find embarrassment to be a compelling theory. He is possibly lurking, I suppose.

[worcej]

Yes, I understand the difference between excluding teams and excluding Bozo entirely. I was reacting to your suggestion, not ignoring it.

Can you point me at the Brain/Worcej thing you mean? I have a lot of tabs open and it's all kinda become a blur...

Brain has been scumming me periodically and then made the fakeclaim of being tracker.

And then voting Jamiet a couple times, on top of it...

I think it's possible he would do that yeah, if only because he also hit a bunch of other people in quick succession and because it was early enough in the day, if he was scum, he probably knew that even if he did manage to initiate a wagon on scum-Worcej, there was plenty of time for it to dissipate.

What do we think of Brain's absence? I hate to think that town-brain would just give up, whereas I think that if scum-Brain thought he'd be lynched, he might have mistakenly assumed he didn't need to come back. I don't feel that either is particularly likely, so which unlikely scenario is it?

Brain once, when lynched D1 as scum, stated his whole team was busing him and it turned out that was true. Brain's play is so erratic that you cannot apply 'he wouldn't do ____' because he almost certainly has done it before.

[bozotheclown]

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

So you forgot you scanned him, yet implied you didn't think he was scum on D5 and advocated against lynching him?

I said I did not try to get him mislynched as Foxcastle incorrectly stated.

[bozotheclown]

I forgot I had scanned Foxcastle, but my point was I was scum and Foxcastle was implying I was town who tried to get him mislynched.

That was a misstatement on my part, and beside the point. I was widely and vocally described as "looking bad" last game by numerous players and nearly mislynched for it. It was obvious and recent, so why does Bozo need a refresher on it?

Because he is fishing for statements to build a case.

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

[Foxcastle]

That was a misstatement on my part, and beside the point. I was widely and vocally described as "looking bad" last game by numerous players and nearly mislynched for it. It was obvious and recent, so why does Bozo need a refresher on it?

Because he is fishing for statements to build a case.

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I don't do thing to to bad. You have fundamentally missed my point.

[Foxcastle]

Because he is fishing for statements to build a case.

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I don't do thing to look bad. You have fundamentally missed my point.

EBWOP/FTFM

[SarahK24]

Did anyone say/ask anything about me
I'm about to do lots of reading...

[bozotheclown]

Did anyone say/ask anything about me
I'm about to do lots of reading...

Do you know how to use the "Mafia Tracker Bot"? If is helpful for answering questions like this.

[bozotheclown]

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I don't do thing to look bad. You have fundamentally missed my point.

EBWOP/FTFM

I think you are pointing a game where you were scum read as town as a justification for your getting scum read as town this game, but town get scum read and mislynched all of the time. Is there something particular about M54 that should indicate you are town this game?

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE worcej

[SarahK24]

Okay...
Bozo: probably town
Brain: seems alright
Damo: idk
Fox: I still think he's a scum witch worcej
Jamiet: I think he might be a scum, but idk could be town
Rdrivera:: I dont really have an impression of him... he hasn't asked me much
Xorxes: may be scum idk
Worcej: still think he's with foxcastle
I'm still working on trying to work on how to identify who's scum vs town before I really crack down on anything else

@Sarah, if you ever read this, can you do me the favor of explaining this read you have of the Fox-worcej connection?

Chances are that you are in fact correct. That pair is a strong contender for being the last two remaining mafia. But we need to understand what made you make that connection. Show us some post from them that made you think that, something they said, something they did, something. Give us your train of thought.

Remember that we need to see you as town so we don't lynch you. And the best way for us to see you as town is if you explain yourself as openly as possible. Even if you don't think your reasons are very impressive, just tell us what they are. When you don't give reasons it all seems meaningless.

Idk honestly I just keep putting them because it is the only thought I've had ...
Just from their interactions on day 1....

[Foxcastle]

I don't do thing to look bad. You have fundamentally missed my point.

EBWOP/FTFM

I think you are pointing a game where you were scum read as town as a justification for your getting scum read as town this game, but town get scum read and mislynched all of the time. Is there something particular about M54 that should indicate you are town this game?

I don't think you are interested in understanding what I'm saying.