M1010 Mini-Mafia

[bozotheclown]

No, Bozo, I'm going to ignore all that. I just minutiae that you're going to use either as scum to try to get me mislynched or because you're tunneling as town.

That is not very helpful if you are town.

Preventing scum-you from building a bad case is not helpful as town? Preventing town-you from tunneling is not helpful as town?

It sounds like you were saying you did not want to provide any information that might cause other to scum read you as well.

[Foxcastle]

Worcej may very well be correct, but I am town. I looked bad last game, and was town. That should tell you something.

[bozotheclown]

Worcej may very well be correct, but I am town. I looked bad last game, and was town. That should tell you something.

Why do you think you looked bad last game?

[xorxes]

I agreed with or at least understood most of his reads (until I got concerned D3 before I knew he was the watcher), his argument to lynch SK24 D2 seems town motivated, I liked his analysis in general, and I did not find any reason to suspect him.

It is not difficult for scum to make arguments and analysis that seem town motivated, especially if they are sparse and far between. So that may be a good reason for not scumreading him, but not a very strong reason for townreading him. My issue is that it would have been very easy for you, if you were scum, to find everything he said town motivated, because you would have known that indeed it was.

Anyway, I'll move on now.

[Foxcastle]

That is not very helpful if you are town.

Preventing scum-you from building a bad case is not helpful as town? Preventing town-you from tunneling is not helpful as town?

It sounds like you were saying you did not want to provide any information that might cause other to scum read you as well.

This doesn't make sense. If I had scummates, they could bus me for whatever reason they come up with, including not answering your questions. Jamiet was scumreading me, and was heavily attacking Rdrivera for avoiding his own questions; if I was scum with Jamiet and he was bussing me, why didn't he follow you on this line of thinking?

For that matter, if I'm scum, and since you think I'm a busser (I am), why didn't I bus Jamiet harder yesterday? Seems like an easy choice. Especially if I am scum, I would have known that he was JOAT and so would have been thinking about the chance of him getting caught, and so ready to jump on that wagon with little prompting. But I didn't, because I was still strongly townreading Jamiet.

[Foxcastle]

Worcej may very well be correct, but I am town. I looked bad last game, and was town. That should tell you something.

Why do you think you looked bad last game?

[xorxes]

Are we allowed to ask Sarah if her role PM says "Mafia Goon" or "Town Goon"?

[Foxcastle]

Worcej may very well be correct, but I am town. I looked bad last game, and was town. That should tell you something.

Why do you think you looked bad last game?

The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Bozo would ask this question. It was quite obvious, and at various points in the previous game he commented on it. He can remember Bo's bus rate across a bunch of games but not who he nearly mislynched last game???

[xorxes]

Remaining
Bozo + Brain
Bozo + Damo
Bozo + Worcej
Brain + SarahK
Brain + Worcej
Damo + SarahK
Damo + Worcej

I think you can exclude Bozo + Worcej based on the cases bozo has been making on worcej. Brain + Worcej also seems like an extremely unlikely team based on brain's claim.

[Foxcastle]

Remaining
Bozo + Brain
Bozo + Damo
Bozo + Worcej
Brain + SarahK
Brain + Worcej
Damo + SarahK
Damo + Worcej

I think you can exclude Bozo + Worcej based on the cases bozo has been making on worcej. Brain + Worcej also seems like an extremely unlikely team based on brain's claim.

I generally don't think Bozo is scum, but didn't have a firm enough read on him (as I do on you) to exclude him entirely. I think there's a chance he rolled scum again and has just changed his meta; however, I also recall a prior game where I found him to be similarly exasperating and he was town, but I don't remember which it was.

[bozotheclown]

I agreed with or at least understood most of his reads (until I got concerned D3 before I knew he was the watcher), his argument to lynch SK24 D2 seems town motivated, I liked his analysis in general, and I did not find any reason to suspect him.

It is not difficult for scum to make arguments and analysis that seem town motivated, especially if they are sparse and far between. So that may be a good reason for not scumreading him, but not a very strong reason for townreading him. My issue is that it would have been very easy for you, if you were scum, to find everything he said town motivated, because you would have known that indeed it was.

Anyway, I'll move on now.

Sure, it is possible to be fooled by scum if they play well. By that argument, you should never town read anyone.

[bozotheclown]

Preventing scum-you from building a bad case is not helpful as town? Preventing town-you from tunneling is not helpful as town?

It sounds like you were saying you did not want to provide any information that might cause other to scum read you as well.

This doesn't make sense. If I had scummates, they could bus me for whatever reason they come up with, including not answering your questions. Jamiet was scumreading me, and was heavily attacking Rdrivera for avoiding his own questions; if I was scum with Jamiet and he was bussing me, why didn't he follow you on this line of thinking?

For that matter, if I'm scum, and since you think I'm a busser (I am), why didn't I bus Jamiet harder yesterday? Seems like an easy choice. Especially if I am scum, I would have known that he was JOAT and so would have been thinking about the chance of him getting caught, and so ready to jump on that wagon with little prompting. But I didn't, because I was still strongly townreading Jamiet.

I was not talking about bussing, I meant you are refusing to provide answers to my questions for other town members to consider.

I do not think you bus all of your scum partners all of the time.

[xorxes]

Remaining
Bozo + Brain
Bozo + Damo
Bozo + Worcej
Brain + SarahK
Brain + Worcej
Damo + SarahK
Damo + Worcej

I think you can exclude Bozo + Worcej based on the cases bozo has been making on worcej. Brain + Worcej also seems like an extremely unlikely team based on brain's claim.

I generally don't think Bozo is scum, but didn't have a firm enough read on him (as I do on you) to exclude him entirely. I think there's a chance he rolled scum again and has just changed his meta; however, I also recall a prior game where I found him to be similarly exasperating and he was town, but I don't remember which it was.

I didn't say exclude him entirely, I said to exculde the Bozo + Worcej team.

What do you thing of Brain + Worcej? Would scum brain gamble like that with the two scum that could not have been tracked?

[xorxes]

I agreed with or at least understood most of his reads (until I got concerned D3 before I knew he was the watcher), his argument to lynch SK24 D2 seems town motivated, I liked his analysis in general, and I did not find any reason to suspect him.

It is not difficult for scum to make arguments and analysis that seem town motivated, especially if they are sparse and far between. So that may be a good reason for not scumreading him, but not a very strong reason for townreading him. My issue is that it would have been very easy for you, if you were scum, to find everything he said town motivated, because you would have known that indeed it was.

Anyway, I'll move on now.

Sure, it is possible to be fooled by scum if they play well. By that argument, you should never town read anyone.

There are much better reasons to townread people than them sharing your opinions. Especially on mechanical matters.

[bozotheclown]

Why do you think you looked bad last game?

The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Bozo would ask this question. It was quite obvious, and at various points in the previous game he commented on it. He can remember Bo's bus rate across a bunch of games but not who he nearly mislynched last game???

Are we talking about the same last game? I was scum last game, and I was arguing against lynching you when you almost got lynched, which was not until D5. I also never thought it was likely you were scum. So, my question was, why do you think you looked bad? You never claimed you were scum or refused to answer questions.

[Foxcastle]

I think you can exclude Bozo + Worcej based on the cases bozo has been making on worcej. Brain + Worcej also seems like an extremely unlikely team based on brain's claim.

I generally don't think Bozo is scum, but didn't have a firm enough read on him (as I do on you) to exclude him entirely. I think there's a chance he rolled scum again and has just changed his meta; however, I also recall a prior game where I found him to be similarly exasperating and he was town, but I don't remember which it was.

I didn't say exclude him entirely, I said to exculde the Bozo + Worcej team.

What do you thing of Brain + Worcej? Would scum brain gamble like that with the two scum that could not have been tracked?

Yes, I understand the difference between excluding teams and excluding Bozo entirely. I was reacting to your suggestion, not ignoring it.

Can you point me at the Brain/Worcej thing you mean? I have a lot of tabs open and it's all kinda become a blur...

[worcej]

I generally don't think Bozo is scum, but didn't have a firm enough read on him (as I do on you) to exclude him entirely. I think there's a chance he rolled scum again and has just changed his meta; however, I also recall a prior game where I found him to be similarly exasperating and he was town, but I don't remember which it was.

I didn't say exclude him entirely, I said to exculde the Bozo + Worcej team.

What do you thing of Brain + Worcej? Would scum brain gamble like that with the two scum that could not have been tracked?

Yes, I understand the difference between excluding teams and excluding Bozo entirely. I was reacting to your suggestion, not ignoring it.

Can you point me at the Brain/Worcej thing you mean? I have a lot of tabs open and it's all kinda become a blur...

Brain has been scumming me periodically and then made the fakeclaim of being tracker.

[worcej]

The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Bozo would ask this question. It was quite obvious, and at various points in the previous game he commented on it. He can remember Bo's bus rate across a bunch of games but not who he nearly mislynched last game???

Are we talking about the same last game? I was scum last game, and I was arguing against lynching you when you almost got lynched, which was not until D5. I also never thought it was likely you were scum. So, my question was, why do you think you looked bad? You never claimed you were scum or refused to answer questions.

This whole statement is bullshit. You N4 scanned him and knew on D5 he was town, so that was theater at the time when you decided to not lynch him.

[damo666]

I didn't say exclude him entirely, I said to exculde the Bozo + Worcej team.

What do you thing of Brain + Worcej? Would scum brain gamble like that with the two scum that could not have been tracked?

Yes, I understand the difference between excluding teams and excluding Bozo entirely. I was reacting to your suggestion, not ignoring it.

Can you point me at the Brain/Worcej thing you mean? I have a lot of tabs open and it's all kinda become a blur...

Brain has been scumming me periodically and then made the fakeclaim of being tracker.

and specifically that he tracked you

[worcej]

Bozo's scan results from last game, for those who don't know:

Xorx- N6
Kgray
Fox
EMC
Pjandy
Sulit/Bob - N1