MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[FlaviusAetius]

Others have made the potential bussing argument already, so no point reiterating in length again. Perhaps you are indeed, that good and lucky with gut reads this game, but ehh

And just to make it clear - this is because I think you're on the experienced side, not stupid, and a self aware player. Your actions thus far have somewhat been contradictory. This is praise lol

Demon. Has. Not. Been. On. A. Lynch-wagon. This. Entire. Game. Except. For. One.
Which was FROSTWIND who was a TOWN player. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[yavuzovic]

Wait if Tom is scum someone would have cc'ed Sherlock right?
Are they keeping quiet? Is Tom actually Sherlock and looking for a reaction?

If Tom is not Sherlock, the real one should stay quiet. That may be obvious but...

WHAT
I wouldn't complain as long as Tom gives correct scans though.
Apart from joke, that's impossible and even if it is, Sherlock should claim now.

[FlaviusAetius]

At this point, I've lost my original gut feeling and everything looks like towny wifom hell. Even being dead scum is towny. Will go eat and continue later

so you rile everyone up, then immediately back off, great going

[FlaviusAetius]

Wait if Tom is scum someone would have cc'ed Sherlock right?
Are they keeping quiet? Is Tom actually Sherlock and looking for a reaction?

If Tom is not Sherlock, the real one should stay quiet. That may be obvious but...

WHAT
I wouldn't complain as long as Tom gives correct scans though.
Apart from joke, that's impossible and even if it is, Sherlock should claim now.

>AGREED<

[FlaviusAetius]

Hey, I just realised

if this style of wall is kept up, and done for all remaining players, I can break a million characters for this game :D

I'll break it before you, flav is back and ready to rumble and tumble

[Tom Bombadil]

The fact that Flav is reading and reacting as he goes, seems really towny to me. He’s putting in either a lot of effort or faking a lot of effort on arguments that are moot with new information he hasn’t gotten too yet.

I changed my mind.

##vote DemonRHK

[purplecow]

I have no clue whether Flav and Yav are caught up or not.

[FlaviusAetius]

EMC's posts are scarily accurate.

I've been reaching for activity this game and even though I am super distracted by outside influences (games) I've been doing what I can to provide what offhand observations and my own two cents without wall o' texting anyone into iso hell because I don't have hours at a time to deep dive a real case.

I was scumreading frost right up until the wagon started to runaway but by that point I had advocated it an I needed to own the shit I started one way or the other.

I missed EoD1 completely, and the last half hour of EoD3 (When I get off work, and the subsuqent Tom claim).

There are a few key meta points EMC missed, but that's water under the bridge at the moment. I am town. Anyone that started in on the dogpile on me up until Tom's scan claim that didn't challenge me once I switched gears is more suspicious than those that did
(TL:DR - EMC and bozo *bleh* look good, Kalel [omgus much], xorx, and Tem look bad)

If you want to table this until we sort our bovine friend, that sounds like a plan. If he ain't gonna play ball let's hammer the mofo and have burgers.

You didnt think frostwind was mafia, but you kept pushing it, WHAT

[Chaqa]

....huh. That is rather strange, Hyde's allowed to hold?

Lol there goes my tinfoil out

I have no idea, but I did not get a RB message this time.

then Hyde knows who jack is, thats not good

Hyde can forego his kill by targeting Jekyll. We've been over this like ten times before.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE DemonRHK

because of what bozo found, plus he was my second candidate for last Moriarty.

Unless someone convinces me we should gun for the other team first.

what did bozo find? did I miss it?

Here is what xorxes was referring to:

Raid night over. Another quick Ony + MC.

I find the J+H discussion interesting. Prior to any meaningful discussion I find myself in the claim and lynch camp, although maybe not D1.

So it seems there is an aggressively power scum team, and a utility powered scum team, then Hyde and Jack doing their shit.

Questions to open some discussion:

- Who does each player think is the more dangerous scum team on powers alone?

- What do people think of a Urchin claim D1? They would be able to confirm multiple roles at best, or hard force a power trade with scum team 1 at worst.


I find myself wary of rdr (Although I seem to always read him scum) over the mislabeling of the SK's wincon. I also don't like what I've seen of Bob so far. It's a shotgun of content spread with no intent or effect (And there were a lot of attempts in those few posts to be substantial)

In DemonRHK's first post of the game, and only post in the first 18 hours of the game, he mentions 2 players, rdrivera and BobMcBob, and scum reads them both. Either he was very insightful, very lucky, or was bussing his partners. I suspect he was bussing, especially considering he never ended up voting for either of them.

[FlaviusAetius]

The fact that Flav is reading and reacting as he goes, seems really towny to me. He’s putting in either a lot of effort or faking a lot of effort on arguments that are moot with new information he hasn’t gotten too yet.

I changed my mind.

##vote DemonRHK

I do this with every mafia game ever, stop using meta to determine people and look what I actually say, maybe then you'll see the things Im pushing actually make sense
#lynch chaqa
#lynch yavu
^^^^^^^after purple^^^^^^^^

[bozotheclown]

I have no clue whether Flav and Yav are caught up or not.

I assume they are not yet.

[e.m.c^42]

You started off the game with a post that asked for merits of a town PR claim and (this part is new, but rest is consolidated from previous posts) scumreading the two dead scum so far. You then proceed to scumread Bionic for referencing the last game (not entirely invalid, but you are sort of skipping context of why he brought it up), frost for self vote, and bozo for asking about merits of a different town PR claim, lol. Regardless of bozo scumread validity, you hafta admit, calling out others for something you do yourself is only sexy when you own it. If not, it comes off as lack of self awareness or vague hypocrisy ;p

So in this case, calling out Frost for a suicide!vote is good. Bozo, not so much.

Im confused what your trying to say

I am saying, his first post was one that was partially fishing. It was asking a question that, despite being intended to further town discussion, would not actually do so because the answer does not require such. There is also the point that his first two scumreads do come off as potential bussing, or being extremely lucky with gut reads.

I am saying his day 1 and night 1 scumreads are reaching, weak, and hypocritical at points. None of them are strong by any perspective, nor are they taking into context or extended thought - surface level. They all come off as "off the top of my head, let's comment while skimming", rather than actual analysis. In other words, posts that one would expect from a newer player rather than an experienced one that he is, especially taking into concern the level and type of analysis he has oft displayed in the past.

He also seems to lack self awareness in some contradictory points, which does not paint him in a well light.

Have made it harsher and more explicit, should be enough for understanding now, yes? :D

[Chaqa]

The fact that Flav is reading and reacting as he goes, seems really towny to me. He’s putting in either a lot of effort or faking a lot of effort on arguments that are moot with new information he hasn’t gotten too yet.

I changed my mind.

##vote DemonRHK

Flavius always does this. One of these days he's gonna pull one on us with this tactic of his.

[e.m.c^42]

Holy fuck I'm gonna have to reword everything to be more aggressive so Flav can understand lmao

[Chaqa]

The fact that Flav is reading and reacting as he goes, seems really towny to me. He’s putting in either a lot of effort or faking a lot of effort on arguments that are moot with new information he hasn’t gotten too yet.

I changed my mind.

##vote DemonRHK

I do this with every mafia game ever, stop using meta to determine people and look what I actually say, maybe then you'll see the things Im pushing actually make sense
#lynch chaqa
#lynch yavu
^^^^^^^after purple^^^^^^^^

Lol... so Flavius just quoted a post he HASNT GOTTEN TO YET, but is still catching up in His method?

Guess what... he slipped, because he's actually caught up and pretending.

[FlaviusAetius]

I haven't read Kit's wall yet, saving it for later when I have more time.

For now, let's run some numbers, with worst case night scenarios:

D4: 12-3-1-1 We lynch last Moriarty,
N4: Two dead townies, Jack +1F
D5: 10-3-1 We lynch from Mafia1
N5: Two dead townies
D6: 8-2-1 We lynch from Mafia1
N6: Two dead townies, Jack +2F
D7: 6-1-1 We lynch last Mafia1
N7: one dead townie
D8: 5-1 Jack potential lylo

So we can't afford any mislynches if everything goes well for Jack.

Two plans to consider:

(1) Full massclaim now

This means lynching scum every time is very doable, as they will be forced to choose what to claim without a lot of info on what will be best for them. It does give Jack a lot of easty choices, but we still beat them if we don't mislynch.

(2) mini massclaim of male VTs now

There's only three left. This gives us three clears, or if more than three people claim it gives us a reduced pool and the fake claims are often easy to spot. It increases Jack's chances of hitting females, but it also increases the chances thet they hit scum.

Thoughts?

This game depends on scum hitting scum and jack hitting mafia. As I said before this, Jack isnt really going to worry about female characters as thats such a shot in the dark, theres no reason to hunt, if he even gets its by mere luck, and theres no reason why we should worry about mere luck until said luck starts actually getting lucky. He's going to go for mafia or towny people whichever he thinks is nessecesary at the time, we are completely fine

[e.m.c^42]

Others have made the potential bussing argument already, so no point reiterating in length again. Perhaps you are indeed, that good and lucky with gut reads this game, but ehh

And just to make it clear - this is because I think you're on the experienced side, not stupid, and a self aware player. Your actions thus far have somewhat been contradictory. This is praise lol

Demon. Has. Not. Been. On. A. Lynch-wagon. This. Entire. Game. Except. For. One.
Which was FROSTWIND who was a TOWN player. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

It is heavily, heavily implied that RHK is more likely to be bussing than having a good first gutread. Further evidence in contradictory because he has not been on scum lynches. However, it being luck is a possibility that should not be excluded.

[FlaviusAetius]

The fact that Flav is reading and reacting as he goes, seems really towny to me. He’s putting in either a lot of effort or faking a lot of effort on arguments that are moot with new information he hasn’t gotten too yet.

I changed my mind.

##vote DemonRHK

I do this with every mafia game ever, stop using meta to determine people and look what I actually say, maybe then you'll see the things Im pushing actually make sense
#lynch chaqa
#lynch yavu
^^^^^^^after purple^^^^^^^^

Lol... so Flavius just quoted a post he HASNT GOTTEN TO YET, but is still catching up in His method?

Guess what... he slipped, because he's actually caught up and pretending.

Actually false, the way I do it is by going to the latest page that I was at, then commenting on everything, then I press the back space, sometimes I notice comments above, I've done this before btw, so this isnt new. And so then I comment on those posts if I want too, if not I wait until later, like Im doing right now so, the method continues, and guess what, more people are wanting to do it, because its just that dominant, so idk what your on, but maybe bad faith? especially since I want to lynch YOU

[FlaviusAetius]

So to get ahead of any ideas of mass claim....


I didn’t scan purple. It’s our job now to figure out the reactions. Three people knew I was lying because I was roleblocked. For what it’s worth, I got a towny reaction from purple from this. The sketchiest reaction is from DemonRHK who looks to be either coaching scumbuddies by saying “why weren’t you roleblocked” or just making a really bad comment as town.

didnt you also say though that you were not roleblocked, and if they already knew you were roleblocked, why would they even question it, that doesnt make much sense...I still think your sherlock but this was a silly idea to go after purplecow...