M1010 Mini-Mafia

[worcej]

I thought EOD was one hour earlier and hardclaimed.

I was expecting to try to get Jamiet lynched without having to claim, but after Brain fake claim I knew it will be really hard. I don't have a solid case on Jamiet it was a gut feeling that worked well on my Track.

Now we have to consider our options for tomorrow. I think we might need to lynch Sarah. She can't be in lylo, I hope now that you know I am town you consider this seriously.

Then we will know if we have one or two scum to catch.

I think it's still a very unusual and cut-throat tactic that is not in your norm, but I see what you're getting at. I don't necessarily like it, but I understand it.

Do you think scum intentionally stopped posting near EOD or was it just weekend normal attendance issues?

Fox posted 7 minutes before EOD. How do you know he's not scum?

I don’t? And he is only one person who posted right at eod.

[Foxcastle]

My two top scumreads are Xorxes and Fox.

I think town need to lynch Xorxes tomorrow. He won't be lynched later, you saw last game.
If he flip scum as I think he will, then lynch Sarah and Fox and win the game. If he flips town then lynch Fox and pray for a miracle on lylo.

Saving town from the jaws of defeat and then turning town around to march back into the jaws of defeat.

I'm willing to lynch SarahK next, but it's definitely not Xorxes nor me.

[worcej]

My two top scumreads are Xorxes and Fox.

I think town need to lynch Xorxes tomorrow. He won't be lynched later, you saw last game.
If he flip scum as I think he will, then lynch Sarah and Fox and win the game. If he flips town then lynch Fox and pray for a miracle on lylo.

Saving town from the jaws of defeat and then turning town around to march back into the jaws of defeat.

I'm willing to lynch SarahK next, but it's definitely not Xorxes nor me.

I am not sold on xorxes being town anymore at this point. The bozo/xorxes scum team would be pretty fucking impressive at this point.

[xorxes]

I think you are scum because of your behaviour on D1 and D2 and D3. I think you with Jamiet decided the lynch on Bunny. I think you just let Bo lynch happen, you didn't even consider my opinion to lynch Sarah first that will give more info on Bunny and eliminate a scum or a liability. You avoided discussing this.
On D3 you were comfortable with a Brain lynch that look really bad and you justify with really weak arguments.
To make it simple, you were playing a really poor game as town and when you play badly as town you are scum.

I had no choice about the Bunny lynch. My vote was pretty much forced there.

"just let Bo lynch happen" doesn't fit with what I remember, I think I pushed that quite a bit.

I did consider your opinion to lynch Sarah first, and I explained to you, more than once already, why that was not the better option. I think I was the only one who discussed this with you, so you scumreading me for not discussing it is weird.

On D3, I wasn't "comfortable" with a brain lynch. I wanted to lynch him over everyone else because he was the scummiest. I was pushiong it. I was the one who questioned Fox and worcej's pasive and "don't really care" votes.

It is easy to say I was playing poorly when you had information that I did not have. Your apparently baseless scumread of Jamie basically pushed me to townread him more.

Think about this for a minute:

brainbomb asked Jamie if he was the watcher
You asked Jamie if he was counterclaiming brainbomb

Can you see how scummy that looks from my perspective, when I thought Jamie might indeed be the watcher? You probably didn't even realize how scummy those things were for someone not in the know about you and Jamie.

The fact that neither bozo nor damo appeared to be bothered by that is what makes me not as confident as you that they are town.

[worcej]

@xorxes - other than not being around much due to a weekend, what was bad about my D3.

Not trying to make excuses, but my weekend availability is most often shit.

[xorxes]

Just to be clear, after Bozo showed the math about the shooting I didn't want Bunny to shoot anymore.

But how did bozo know that?

Know what? That if Bunny shoot a town we lose a myslynch? It's math.

That you no longer wanted Bunny to shoot.

[xorxes]

Do you think scum intentionally stopped posting near EOD or was it just weekend normal attendance issues?

worcej, you're being weird. What was there to post about after the claim?

I am wondering why rdr was apologizing for his claim in relation to a quiet eod. Why be sorry about that - you had a scum dead to rights so that is a great thing!

Because if he had not claimed it would not have been so quiet. Catching one scum is great, catching more than one is even better.

[Foxcastle]

@xorxes - other than not being around much due to a weekend, what was bad about my D3.

Not trying to make excuses, but my weekend availability is most often shit.

Also, last game, "EOD looks bad" was not the right way to catch scum. Maybe town keeps losing because nobody learns.

[xorxes]

@xorxes - other than not being around much due to a weekend, what was bad about my D3.

Not trying to make excuses, but my weekend availability is most often shit.

The main thing that was bad was that after your vote for brain (which was perfectly justifiable and NAI), after some more discussion you said he was proably town, but you didn't look for a better lynch.

It may be that you were just busy as you say, I think I even mentioned that at some point.

[xorxes]

@xorxes - other than not being around much due to a weekend, what was bad about my D3.

Not trying to make excuses, but my weekend availability is most often shit.

Also, last game, "EOD looks bad" was not the right way to catch scum. Maybe town keeps losing because nobody learns.

It wasn't EOD3 specifically that looked bad, it was the whole D3.

[Foxcastle]

@xorxes - other than not being around much due to a weekend, what was bad about my D3.

Not trying to make excuses, but my weekend availability is most often shit.

Also, last game, "EOD looks bad" was not the right way to catch scum. Maybe town keeps losing because nobody learns.

It wasn't EOD3 specifically that looked bad, it was the whole D3.

Well, the lesson is still that focusing on who "looks bad" is not a great way to catch scum. Last game, Bozo and Bunny never looked bad, and the majority of game wasn't even reading you as looking bad as much as "eh, maybe."

[rdrivera2005]

I think you are scum because of your behaviour on D1 and D2 and D3. I think you with Jamiet decided the lynch on Bunny. I think you just let Bo lynch happen, you didn't even consider my opinion to lynch Sarah first that will give more info on Bunny and eliminate a scum or a liability. You avoided discussing this.
On D3 you were comfortable with a Brain lynch that look really bad and you justify with really weak arguments.
To make it simple, you were playing a really poor game as town and when you play badly as town you are scum.

I had no choice about the Bunny lynch. My vote was pretty much forced there.

"just let Bo lynch happen" doesn't fit with what I remember, I think I pushed that quite a bit.

I did consider your opinion to lynch Sarah first, and I explained to you, more than once already, why that was not the better option. I think I was the only one who discussed this with you, so you scumreading me for not discussing it is weird.

On D3, I wasn't "comfortable" with a brain lynch. I wanted to lynch him over everyone else because he was the scummiest. I was pushiong it. I was the one who questioned Fox and worcej's pasive and "don't really care" votes.

It is easy to say I was playing poorly when you had information that I did not have. Your apparently baseless scumread of Jamie basically pushed me to townread him more.

Think about this for a minute:

brainbomb asked Jamie if he was the watcher
You asked Jamie if he was counterclaiming brainbomb

Can you see how scummy that looks from my perspective, when I thought Jamie might indeed be the watcher? You probably didn't even realize how scummy those things were for someone not in the know about you and Jamie.

The fact that neither bozo nor damo appeared to be bothered by that is what makes me not as confident as you that they are town.

You were townreading Jamiet before of this and this is what strike me as really odd as he looked really scummy to me (to the point I tracked him). I think scum had the most interest in having his Joat townread to avoid being Tracked.

The Bozo point of you keep pushing for the shot was also on my mind, it's weird you still want a shoot after Bozo showing it's effects and even without a voting is something like that to avoid him shooting a PR.

The only thing that give pause is you keep defending Jamiet, knowing he did the kill. But you are good enough to play this way and wait to see if I will end claiming.

If I am wrong sorry, but this time you can't say it's because I am scum...

I think town will again ignore my advice to lynch you and will lose, but who knows.

[xorxes]

Also, last game, "EOD looks bad" was not the right way to catch scum. Maybe town keeps losing because nobody learns.

It wasn't EOD3 specifically that looked bad, it was the whole D3.

Well, the lesson is still that focusing on who "looks bad" is not a great way to catch scum. Last game, Bozo and Bunny never looked bad, and the majority of game wasn't even reading you as looking bad as much as "eh, maybe."

I will be looking at everyone, but saying that looking bad is irrelevant makes no sense.

[Foxcastle]

It wasn't EOD3 specifically that looked bad, it was the whole D3.

Well, the lesson is still that focusing on who "looks bad" is not a great way to catch scum. Last game, Bozo and Bunny never looked bad, and the majority of game wasn't even reading you as looking bad as much as "eh, maybe."

I will be looking at everyone, but saying that looking bad is irrelevant makes no sense.

It's super relevant, because I think it's more likely to be town indicative.

[rdrivera2005]

@xorxes - other than not being around much due to a weekend, what was bad about my D3.

Not trying to make excuses, but my weekend availability is most often shit.

Also, last game, "EOD looks bad" was not the right way to catch scum. Maybe town keeps losing because nobody learns.

Well, Jamiet EOD1 looked bad and I catched him so this is a fallacious thing.
Look at motivation. You feel satisfied with a Brain lynch to the point of just skipping the messages, this is scummy.

[rdrivera2005]

My two top scumreads are Xorxes and Fox.

I think town need to lynch Xorxes tomorrow. He won't be lynched later, you saw last game.
If he flip scum as I think he will, then lynch Sarah and Fox and win the game. If he flips town then lynch Fox and pray for a miracle on lylo.

Saving town from the jaws of defeat and then turning town around to march back into the jaws of defeat.

I'm willing to lynch SarahK next, but it's definitely not Xorxes nor me.

Why you weren't willing to lynch her first? I still didn't understand how good players didn't agree with me on D2.

[Foxcastle]

@xorxes - other than not being around much due to a weekend, what was bad about my D3.

Not trying to make excuses, but my weekend availability is most often shit.

Also, last game, "EOD looks bad" was not the right way to catch scum. Maybe town keeps losing because nobody learns.

Well, Jamiet EOD1 looked bad and I catched him so this is a fallacious thing.
Look at motivation. You feel satisfied with a Brain lynch to the point of just skipping the messages, this is scummy.

I explained that the game was a lower priority for me during that time, and even if it weren't, investing effort in picking apart Brainbomb's nonsense hardly likely to pay off in insight.

[xorxes]

You were townreading Jamiet before of this and this is what strike me as really odd as he looked really scummy to me (to the point I tracked him). I think scum had the most interest in having his Joat townread to avoid being Tracked.

The Bozo point of you keep pushing for the shot was also on my mind, it's weird you still want a shoot after Bozo showing it's effects and even without a voting is something like that to avoid him shooting a PR.

The only thing that give pause is you keep defending Jamiet, knowing he did the kill. But you are good enough to play this way and wait to see if I will end claiming.

If I am wrong sorry, but this time you can't say it's because I am scum...

I think town will again ignore my advice to lynch you and will lose, but who knows.

Well, we had different reads on Jamiet. I thought he looked much townier than brainbomb, yes.

I don't say you're wrong because you're scum, obviously. You're wrong because you always end up scumreading me. When I'm scum you end up being right and when I'm town you end up being wrong. So yes, it is unfortunate that you leave the game with this advice. Same as you said "lynch xorxes if I die" after N1 or N2, I don't remember which. People would have thought you had tracked me, and I would have been mislynched, it was really shitty to say that given your role.

[Foxcastle]

My two top scumreads are Xorxes and Fox.

I think town need to lynch Xorxes tomorrow. He won't be lynched later, you saw last game.
If he flip scum as I think he will, then lynch Sarah and Fox and win the game. If he flips town then lynch Fox and pray for a miracle on lylo.

Saving town from the jaws of defeat and then turning town around to march back into the jaws of defeat.

I'm willing to lynch SarahK next, but it's definitely not Xorxes nor me.

Why you weren't willing to lynch her first? I still didn't understand how good players didn't agree with me on D2.

Because I thought she was an uncertain new player with limited involvement in the game, and I didn't think that was likely to be scummy. She didn't look coached after N1. I just didn't see scum. But now she is a possibility, and I agree that putting her in LyLo is a large risk for town.

[xorxes]

Well, the lesson is still that focusing on who "looks bad" is not a great way to catch scum. Last game, Bozo and Bunny never looked bad, and the majority of game wasn't even reading you as looking bad as much as "eh, maybe."

I will be looking at everyone, but saying that looking bad is irrelevant makes no sense.

It's super relevant, because I think it's more likely to be town indicative.

If there's a reasonable explanation, yes.