Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[brainbomb]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

[Frogsterking]

Now if there are entrenched ties, and the vote is close, then I agree that if a whole bunch of players are on vanity wagons this is problematic. watching season 1 of traitors where every day phase was always 2 wagons and no deviation, thats how the bad guys coasted in that season for so long. I wont tell you who won it but town legit would always just only ever vote down party lines, and both lines were almost always town vs town.

I think EoD wagon movement is good for town

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Now if there are entrenched ties, and the vote is close, then I agree that if a whole bunch of players are on vanity wagons this is problematic. watching season 1 of traitors where every day phase was always 2 wagons and no deviation, thats how the bad guys coasted in that season for so long. I wont tell you who won it but town legit would always just only ever vote down party lines, and both lines were almost always town vs town.

I loved season 1 of the Traitors. The winner(s) is/are very deserving.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

I don’t understand. When did I do this? I honestly don’t recall.

[brainbomb]

Here is a game where I was mafia, and my entire team all died and it was me playing for multiple phases alone.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37302

I was almost to F3 when suddenly the GM realized that someone had scanned me earlier in the game and the automated system glitched giving an incorrect result.

the game was declared no contest, but I would probably have won otherwise. Of course the main point here is that you can see I am very much town this game by simple comparison in style and tone. Its not even close

As mafia It is true I dont actually bus, at all in fact. Making my townreads on sweet and hamilton more problematic here. I stopped bussing as scum several years ago when ghug and I planned to bus each other and it failed horribly and actually got him killed.

I would describe my scum play as joke filled, manipulative, shady, spammy and sacrificial. I suicide as scum often to help a teammate look good or out PR

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Here is a game where I was mafia, and my entire team all died and it was me playing for multiple phases alone.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37302

I was almost to F3 when suddenly the GM realized that someone had scanned me earlier in the game and the automated system glitched giving an incorrect result.

the game was declared no contest, but I would probably have won otherwise. Of course the main point here is that you can see I am very much town this game by simple comparison in style and tone. Its not even close

As mafia It is true I dont actually bus, at all in fact. Making my townreads on sweet and hamilton more problematic here. I stopped bussing as scum several years ago when ghug and I planned to bus each other and it failed horribly and actually got him killed.

I would describe my scum play as joke filled, manipulative, shady, spammy and sacrificial. I suicide as scum often to help a teammate look good or out PR

Isn’t this an argument for you being mafia?

[brainbomb]

Will most of the players are saying the game will be over soon because its bozo and the game is easy.

You dont even have bozo in your top 3, but keep repeating the game is about to be over. There seems to be a disconnect here as you list chaqa, myself and food all as mafia, and I dont beleive anyone agrees that town wins if we kill all those people in a row.

So, either you need to come to terms with the rest of the players, or they need to come to terms with you. the game most certainly does not end with my demise, and I suspect you are well aware your entire POE is built around attacks of opportunity rather than realistic scumreads

[brainbomb]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

I think vecna is the only one who made this statement so what is the goal of this post?

[brainbomb]

Here is a game where I was mafia, and my entire team all died and it was me playing for multiple phases alone.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37302

I was almost to F3 when suddenly the GM realized that someone had scanned me earlier in the game and the automated system glitched giving an incorrect result.

the game was declared no contest, but I would probably have won otherwise. Of course the main point here is that you can see I am very much town this game by simple comparison in style and tone. Its not even close

As mafia It is true I dont actually bus, at all in fact. Making my townreads on sweet and hamilton more problematic here. I stopped bussing as scum several years ago when ghug and I planned to bus each other and it failed horribly and actually got him killed.

I would describe my scum play as joke filled, manipulative, shady, spammy and sacrificial. I suicide as scum often to help a teammate look good or out PR

Isn’t this an argument for you being mafia?

If you think that I would play the same way every game without any nuance, and that I played this way to protect all my scum buds then you would have to consider my above post a confession. If you think I am more crafty than that and change up my habits and tells, then you would have to assume im at the very least being honest about what I had done up to now, and recently. you can always go reread my games and see how I melt down as mafia

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will most of the players are saying the game will be over soon because its bozo and the game is easy.

You dont even have bozo in your top 3, but keep repeating the game is about to be over. There seems to be a disconnect here as you list chaqa, myself and food all as mafia, and I dont beleive anyone agrees that town wins if we kill all those people in a row.

So, either you need to come to terms with the rest of the players, or they need to come to terms with you. the game most certainly does not end with my demise, and I suspect you are well aware your entire POE is built around attacks of opportunity rather than realistic scumreads

Again, I am not certain you are scum, I just find it highly likely. If game ends when bozo flips, great! If game ends when you flip, great!

I will try to convince people you are scum, but if I am wrong, then I am wrong. Oh well. Town can still win.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

I think vecna is the only one who made this statement so what is the goal of this post?

To figure out the cause of Jamie’s death. Besides an alligator, of course

[brainbomb]

If you beleive the game ends with a bozo flip, why are you actively pursuing food and chaqa instead of bozo?

I havent seen you make an argument for the game ending with a chaqa death, or a foodcoats death

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Here is a game where I was mafia, and my entire team all died and it was me playing for multiple phases alone.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37302

I was almost to F3 when suddenly the GM realized that someone had scanned me earlier in the game and the automated system glitched giving an incorrect result.

the game was declared no contest, but I would probably have won otherwise. Of course the main point here is that you can see I am very much town this game by simple comparison in style and tone. Its not even close

As mafia It is true I dont actually bus, at all in fact. Making my townreads on sweet and hamilton more problematic here. I stopped bussing as scum several years ago when ghug and I planned to bus each other and it failed horribly and actually got him killed.

I would describe my scum play as joke filled, manipulative, shady, spammy and sacrificial. I suicide as scum often to help a teammate look good or out PR

Isn’t this an argument for you being mafia?

If you think that I would play the same way every game without any nuance, and that I played this way to protect all my scum buds then you would have to consider my above post a confession. If you think I am more crafty than that and change up my habits and tells, then you would have to assume im at the very least being honest about what I had done up to now, and recently. you can always go reread my games and see how I melt down as mafia

You can also use the same strategy. Only after a player flips can we know.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If you beleive the game ends with a bozo flip, why are you actively pursuing food and chaqa instead of bozo?

I havent seen you make an argument for the game ending with a chaqa death, or a foodcoats death

I think the game will probs end after one of them or you flips. Most likely you tho

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If you beleive the game ends with a bozo flip, why are you actively pursuing food and chaqa instead of bozo?

I havent seen you make an argument for the game ending with a chaqa death, or a foodcoats death

I think the game will probs end after one of them or you flips. Most likely you tho

There is an outside chance that Vecna, Darg, or Ghug is mafia, but I find it increasingly more unlikely.

[ghug]

Now if there are entrenched ties, and the vote is close, then I agree that if a whole bunch of players are on vanity wagons this is problematic. watching season 1 of traitors where every day phase was always 2 wagons and no deviation, thats how the bad guys coasted in that season for so long. I wont tell you who won it but town legit would always just only ever vote down party lines, and both lines were almost always town vs town.

I loved season 1 of the Traitors. The winner(s) is/are very deserving.

I tried to watch it when I was covid-dumb and it was still too dumb for me. Mafia shouldn't have kingmakers.

[ghug]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

[brainbomb]

we arent going to learn the reason for jamie dying until post game anyway. I suspect it was a scumteam not including ghug for sure because ghug seems very unlikely to roleblock foodcoats and kill Jamie. that just in no way feels like moves he would authorize. and usually ghug, chaqa, damo are expert PR hunters as MAFIA. frog is also allegedly an expert PR hunter.

If food was really roleblocked then they probably thought the RB would have a solid chance of making people doubt if the claim was true or not --- or its a mafia team of you and hamilton left alone to make the decisions, hamilton and the two of you together are like all tripped out in your maf chat thinking some obligatory post by jamie was a cop crumb, thats what ham does is typically fixate on some random post and thinks it means something. and I could see you looking to him for leadership by way of experience. then the roleblock on food is where thats maybe a little sophisticated and it likely is that you guys think he was a PR based on play is my assumption.

I expect the nightkill to be food anyway and youll just plug some new name into your list or claim ive been gunning for food all game.

[brainbomb]

Now if there are entrenched ties, and the vote is close, then I agree that if a whole bunch of players are on vanity wagons this is problematic. watching season 1 of traitors where every day phase was always 2 wagons and no deviation, thats how the bad guys coasted in that season for so long. I wont tell you who won it but town legit would always just only ever vote down party lines, and both lines were almost always town vs town.

I loved season 1 of the Traitors. The winner(s) is/are very deserving.

I tried to watch it when I was covid-dumb and it was still too dumb for me. Mafia shouldn't have kingmakers.

the money aspect of the game was sickening, and seeing scum even thinking of questioning the motive of their own team to me is the height of reality tv bullcrap.

isnt the game itself enough? you could make an argument that this is also why champs is such a ridiculous concept too.

Although making it to semifinals once, and winning a game as scum at that level is something I will always look back on fondly.