MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[TheMadMonarch]

My gut is telling me that I need to let go if ghug for now.

I need to vote someone, and highest voted scumread will do
##VOTE Tom Bombadil

The sun is properly risen now, I need to sleep.

[TheFlyingBoat]

I also don't like that you and snowy are both voting for tom...

My gut is telling me that I need to let go if ghug for now.

I need to vote someone, and highest voted scumread will do
##VOTE Tom Bombadil

The sun is properly risen now, I need to sleep.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Also thank you to whoever burned their free +1 on me to send me to 1337 karma. Feels good to be leet.

[ghug]

Also thank you to whoever burned their free +1 on me to send me to 1337 karma. Feels good to be leet.

Still had mine to burn you're welcome.

[BesharamSabi]

Still really want Sabi to explain her change in read on Flum…

My pronouns are they/them by the way.

I was going to answer this later when I had more time but you have asked several times now so I feel bad if i don't respond right away. (I was scrolling while gming this game so that's why I saw it)

Anyway it went to (null-scum) because his posts were being erratic and he was jumping around in night time. I guess now it's shift to to (null-null) after his explanation about him asking the multi question. The post is #2483 (I am responding on mobile but the comment is on my laptop so can't link it)

What he said Def didn't seem like something a scum person would reveal. Also I so like his snowy analysis based off that.

If you want me to expand more I can (just give me time).

[Tom Bombadil]

This was ghugs best contribution to the game

[Squigs44]

These scum team calls seem way too easy and it almost seems like a deliberate effort to avoid targeting the "stronger" players in the game in an attempt to avoid drawing their ire.

Who do you consider the "stronger" players?

Snowy and ghug for sure based on my direct experience with them. Tom, rdr, bozo, brain, and Flum based on reputation. Definitely not me, Damo (I think he's a fine player but reputation-wise from what other's have told me in M70, here, and what I've seen in other games, he generally has a reputation for being out there and he had a pretty bad scum slip in 1020 that was conspicuous yet never acted upon), and three inactives lol.

Okay, so I listed Snowy Flum and Bozo in my POE. The main reason they were lower down is because I think they are more valuable to town if they are town, whereas the "weaker" players aren't missed much regardless of alignment.

If you want to talk about not drawing attention, let's loom at your list of 5 scum: Macca, lfischl, meme, ghug, flum. The 5 most common scumreads right now I think. While you do have flum and ghug as "stronger" players on your list, they are receiving quite a bit of pressure, so listing them is not going to "draw their ire".

My 5 differ from yours by including yourself and damo, 2 people whose ire I have drawn.

[Tom Bombadil]

Still really want Sabi to explain her change in read on Flum…

My pronouns are they/them by the way.

I was going to answer this later when I had more time but you have asked several times now so I feel bad if i don't respond right away. (I was scrolling while gming this game so that's why I saw it)

Anyway it went to (null-scum) because his posts were being erratic and he was jumping around in night time. I guess now it's shift to to (null-null) after his explanation about him asking the multi question. The post is #2483 (I am responding on mobile but the comment is on my laptop so can't link it)

What he said Def didn't seem like something a scum person would reveal. Also I so like his snowy analysis based off that.

If you want me to expand more I can (just give me time).

Sorry. Fair enough explanation I suppose.

[snowy801]

Guys but what if

And hear me out here

We just killed Flum today

[TheFlyingBoat]

Who do you consider the "stronger" players?

Snowy and ghug for sure based on my direct experience with them. Tom, rdr, bozo, brain, and Flum based on reputation. Definitely not me, Damo (I think he's a fine player but reputation-wise from what other's have told me in M70, here, and what I've seen in other games, he generally has a reputation for being out there and he had a pretty bad scum slip in 1020 that was conspicuous yet never acted upon), and three inactives lol.

Okay, so I listed Snowy Flum and Bozo in my POE. The main reason they were lower down is because I think they are more valuable to town if they are town, whereas the "weaker" players aren't missed much regardless of alignment.

If you want to talk about not drawing attention, let's loom at your list of 5 scum: Macca, lfischl, meme, ghug, flum. The 5 most common scumreads right now I think. While you do have flum and ghug as "stronger" players on your list, they are receiving quite a bit of pressure, so listing them is not going to "draw their ire".

My 5 differ from yours by including yourself and damo, 2 people whose ire I have drawn.

I want to call out this line in particular because of how poorly reasoned/weird it is.

The main reason they were lower down is because I think they are more valuable to town if they are town, whereas the "weaker" players aren't missed much regardless of alignment.

This doesn't make any sense. Your 5 most likely scum list isn't your final vote. You can say you think Flum is the most likely scum guy and vote for someone else because you believe that they are a weaker player so if you are wrong and they are town the loss is less severe. I don't think anyone would fault you for that.

I myself came to a similar conclusion about ghug and figured that despite him being scum in my eyes, it is far more likely that he is NKed in a multi game, scum or not, so I can punt that vote to later and take a shot at Macca who is unlikely to be NKed, costs us little if wrong, and seems kinda scummy.

As for the rest of it...

When it comes to claims I am going with the flow on Flum/ghug, that's just silly. I was one of Flum's heaviest pressurers. It's not like the pressure came from nowhere so somehow indicting me for going with the flow when I was one of the earliest and the heaviest pushers of him is just terrible, terrible reading.

Also your list of mine is outdated. My updated one is Durga, Flum, and Fox and the other team as Macca, Meme, and Ghug.

So our five actually only shares Macca and Meme. That's a pretty disparate list considering it's 14C5 excluding yourself?

Nothing you said there made any sense, my dude.

[snowy801]

Guys Squigs is lurking

[TheFlyingBoat]

Guys but what if

And hear me out here

We just killed Flum today

I wouldn't be opposed, but wouldn't delaying a turn and just offing Macca who is unlikely to help as town or scum and is widely scum read be better? I mean in a multi game, even if Flum is mafia, he could still help us hunt the other team down.

[snowy801]

Guys but what if

And hear me out here

We just killed Flum today

I wouldn't be opposed, but wouldn't delaying a turn and just offing Macca who is unlikely to help as town or scum and is widely scum read be better? I mean in a multi game, even if Flum is mafia, he could still help us hunt the other team down.

I think that's a really rude way of thinking

I don't consider whether a player is "good" or not when I decide who to kill

[TheFlyingBoat]

Guys but what if

And hear me out here

We just killed Flum today

I wouldn't be opposed, but wouldn't delaying a turn and just offing Macca who is unlikely to help as town or scum and is widely scum read be better? I mean in a multi game, even if Flum is mafia, he could still help us hunt the other team down.

I think that's a really rude way of thinking

I don't consider whether a player is "good" or not when I decide who to kill

Didn't you take that into consideration quite frequently in previous games? You certainly did as mafia when you tried to 1vAll and crafted a detailed analysis of who you wanted alive at the end and who you didn't and why. If mafia is going to perform that kind of analysis to put themselves in a winning position in KILO or in a multi game or in any other scenario, why wouldn't town perform the inverse?

No offense snowy, but your commitment to defend Macca seems really really weird.

[Tom Bombadil]

Why do you think snowy is defending macca as opposed to just pushing his scumreads?

[ghug]

Guys but what if

And hear me out here

We just killed Flum today

I'm starting to get snowy/Flum team vibes.

[snowy801]

Saw Flum mention it earlier but I am entirely unsure where my "commitment to defend Macca" is coming from

But find it weird all you'd like, it will amount to nothing

As to M70, if you actually judged my decisions without your personal bias clouding your view you will recognize that I killed people based on their performance and interpreted beliefs, not whether I thought they were good (hint: nobody was)

[snowy801]

Guys but what if

And hear me out here

We just killed Flum today

I'm starting to get snowy/Flum team vibes.

Then kill him

[TheFlyingBoat]

And to preempt, yes it is slightly different in that as mafia you knew the alignment of all your opposition, but at the same time I think it would have been foolish of the town to let you create the ideal KILO situation for yourself and it would be foolish here for us not to take advantage of the setup to get them to kill other mafia members. Combine that with there being good odds Macca is scum I am confident pulling the trigger on him is a good strategic choice.

[ghug]

I wouldn't be opposed, but wouldn't delaying a turn and just offing Macca who is unlikely to help as town or scum and is widely scum read be better? I mean in a multi game, even if Flum is mafia, he could still help us hunt the other team down.

I think that's a really rude way of thinking

I don't consider whether a player is "good" or not when I decide who to kill

Didn't you take that into consideration quite frequently in previous games? You certainly did as mafia when you tried to 1vAll and crafted a detailed analysis of who you wanted alive at the end and who you didn't and why. If mafia is going to perform that kind of analysis to put themselves in a winning position in KILO or in a multi game or in any other scenario, why wouldn't town perform the inverse?

No offense snowy, but your commitment to defend Macca seems really really weird.

And TFB/Macca