M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[FlaviusAetius]

We got one...yay?

Fuck that sucked.

Any town want to fess up? Seriously if you shot we NEED to know now. We have to know how many shots were scum.

Eden was obviously a scum kill. I think Chaqa highly likely a scum kill leaving worcej shot by misguided lawman.

I think this is a >bad< thing to be talking about keeping things mysterious is >good< we could potentially STILL have 4 shots ready to go the mafia >should< be scared

[FlaviusAetius]

PLUS who does it serve to find out who shot who? People made >mistakes< that much is >clear< we need to use opportunity Eden gave us to make >more< people scum
TONIGHT & TOMORROW
we cannot be creating cases on >one person< we need to kill >two< tomorrow, people are dying >too quick<

[FlaviusAetius]

I started rereading Bozo as part of my case and I actually kinda like what I'm reading. I think maybe I was just tunneled on his weird read on me. I think I want to back off pushing him today.

Here are your choices:

POE: Sweet, Jamiet, rdrivera, Fish, Demon, Bozo, worcej, BunnyG

Does Balki put 1 or 2 teammates in here? (Zero or all 3 seem unlikely).

rdr and Bozo?

I agree with you no way Balki busses >three< people anything he says I say we do the OPPOSITE that will be >my< starting point

[FlaviusAetius]

Here are your choices:

POE: Sweet, Jamiet, rdrivera, Fish, Demon, Bozo, worcej, BunnyG

I think my POE is currently at Balki, brain, damo, Demon, KOTP, Lfischl, rivera, worcej

I think Damo is being an undue pass by many.

Given Chaqa was killed I reckon he must have had AT LEAST one more scum in there in addition to Balki. Omitting the dead and obvtowns this leaves {brain, kotp, lfischl, rdr}. I think we should concentrate on this group. My order S=>T is kotp, rdr, brain, lfischl.

We should do the OPPOSITE of what Balki says >not< use his reads as a template

bozotheclown
brainbomb -- NO
BunnyGo
damo666 -- NO
DemonRHK -- NO
Jamiet99uk
kingofthepirates -- NO
lfischl -- NO
rdrivera2005 -- NO
sweetandcool

Most likely = BOZO

[FlaviusAetius]

I thought the agreement was lawmen should stay hidden. This is scummy posting here

Even knowing that a lawman shot worcej (I agree on other two) then we still have no idea how many lawmen are left.

The gunned, unfired lawmen need to hide.

Scum likely know what shots were taken, and a spent lawmen is nothing more than the softest of clears, as we can't confirm them.

And they hide in a crowd.

But I'll help. I was the one who shot worcej.

Hard claim!

You have >got< to stop

[FlaviusAetius]

sweet has had a brain transplant.

'brain'

geddit?

I honestly can’t tell with him. His self assessment seems off. But I believe him to be a good chess player. So I believe he is aware what strong play and ability is.

But he also has made statements that suggest he thinks he’s a strong mathematician. And now the spades statement. I think his calibration may be off. But I honestly don’t know.

but he's deffo town, right?

No. He >stopped< being town when he CC'd Eden's claim just to cause an extra bit of chaos at EOD for >no reason< other than to "protect" him, FALSE.

[FlaviusAetius]

but he's deffo town, right?

No. Still random. Like worcej, he’s banking on his game helping his scum game. By proving a point that we’re dumb (as a community) about the meta currently being used.

Absolutely not. I play the best I can with either alignment. Sandbagging is reprehensible.

I looked this up in the mafia dictionary its >not< there what does this mean

[FlaviusAetius]

What does that mean to you? Like, that’s what I can never tell. You use words, and I don’t know what they mean. But I don’t know any mathematicians who seem to use words without meaning.


What I meant above is, I honestly can’t tell who you are. At once you seem self aware, but then at another time seem to use words that can’t possibly mean what I think most people of that community would define that way.

I misspoke about Spades, I'm simply good at it.

I have a Graduate degree in Mathematics and engage in Math related behavior during my free time sometimes. So I would say I am a mathematician.

Okay I should own it, "misspoke" is generous. I was lying (I am good at it though).

I was wounded by your comments. I absolutely love team games, but I rarely get to play them because I hardly have anyone to play with.

Growing up I played Basketball all day everyday. I was pretty darn good, probably Varsity level but certainly at least JV.

But for two years in a row I didn't make the team. This was due to having no friends trying out and nobody would pass me the ball. I was freaking amazing at defense and was probably the best or near best at stealing, and great at rebounding. And I was such a team player, I almost always passed to a teammate. On offense I never touched the ball despite being a competent shooter.

Anyways, you don't know what you are talking about Bunny, my favorite thing in a game is to support my teammates, and that includes when I played Chess on a team. It's more important to me that my friends do well than myself.

I cant say I ever expierienced this in soccer or tennis, BUT I do this >all< the time in team games online, Im almost >always< playing a support role

[FlaviusAetius]

Okay I should own it, "misspoke" is generous. I was lying (I am good at it though).

I was wounded by your comments. I absolutely love team games, but I rarely get to play them because I hardly have anyone to play with.

Growing up I played Basketball all day everyday. I was pretty darn good, probably Varsity level but certainly at least JV.

But for two years in a row I didn't make the team. This was due to having no friends trying out and nobody would pass me the ball. I was freaking amazing at defense and was probably the best or near best at stealing, and great at rebounding. And I was such a team player, I almost always passed to a teammate. On offense I never touched the ball despite being a competent shooter.

Anyways, you don't know what you are talking about Bunny, my favorite thing in a game is to support my teammates, and that includes when I played Chess on a team. It's more important to me that my friends do well than myself.

I hear you. I was frustrated with how you were playing and let that come through.

I do mean it though that playing a team game with incomplete information unshared among teammates is unique.

But I do see that I misunderstood some of your motivations too. Which is why I’ll try to find time to be clear about my thinking soon. I had really thought you were just trying to prove a point at the cost of town’s ability to play together.

I have been trying to prove a point. But I also truly think my play has been net positive for Town. At least President Eden called me his deputy.

I don't intend to play this way next game, I realize now it's just not going to happen this way, most players here are already set in their ways.

That all being said, I really am the Lawman who shot worcej. He was giving off the same vibes as last game AND wasn't getting much attention for it, so I wanted to resolve him ASAP.

I dont think your fakeclaiming in >principle< was a BAD idea, but you executed it very very poorly

[FlaviusAetius]

Will do some rereading but I recall balki challenging me on my lfischl read twice, he also challeneged me on my rdr read; and on my Jamie read

But seemed to say nothing about my townreads of kotp, damo, or demonrhk.

I have no idea where to look at present but I think flavius is potentially scum here for the sheer lack of interaction I can remember between balki and himself

I respond to and talk to EVERYONE so this is just false

[FlaviusAetius]

EVERYTHING I do brain makes me scum in your mind and I dont understand it I told you to >make< a list and Ill respond number by number so its very organized just like YOU want. Still >nothing<

[sweetandcool]

No. Still random. Like worcej, he’s banking on his game helping his scum game. By proving a point that we’re dumb (as a community) about the meta currently being used.

Absolutely not. I play the best I can with either alignment. Sandbagging is reprehensible.

I looked this up in the mafia dictionary its >not< there what does this mean

In regards to games and sports:

Sandbagging: Purposefully underperforming in order to gain a competitive edge in future competitions.

[FlaviusAetius]

Its really interesting to hear webdip read to you by a person rather than actually reading it and internalizing.

It made me realize how towny bunny is here

To brainbomb’s wife:

I’m so sorry.

And to myself:

I can’t see scum!brain lying about this. And can’t see scum!brain posting this at all.

Brainbomb was the actual fake crumber by the way. He did a flavour text starting with "Sheriff". Then, capitalized "Holliday" when mentioning going back to his Holiday.

Then insisted damo was Town (presumably because he scanned him as Town).

How is that a crumb? He >literally< just misspelled a word

[FlaviusAetius]

Absolutely not. I play the best I can with either alignment. Sandbagging is reprehensible.

I looked this up in the mafia dictionary its >not< there what does this mean

In regards to games and sports:

Sandbagging: Purposefully underperforming in order to gain a competitive edge in future competitions.

bruh

[FlaviusAetius]

Welp, it's Day 1. Should we kill Damo or Hamilton Brian?

Right after food voted damo balki supported the idea. On top of damo already being pretty towny im gonna say this is reinforcing the pressure and not bussing

90% sure he was just joking in this post

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok sorry.

Jamie what does your sign off mean?

My what?

My signature is the same "this is my potato" script I've had for a while, but in Esperanto.

EBWOP

[Jamiet99uk]

It appears Brainbomb is tunnelling me for some reason. Scanning his posts they are all based on an assumption that I am scum, and then drawing conclusions based on that assumption. But, I cannot see why he actually scumreads me in the first place. Could I have an explanation of the basis for that initial assumption, please, Beancomb?

[FlaviusAetius]

Do you think scum is more likely to make bad plays then town?

I think that it would be wise to be less reliant on this "too scummy to be scum" defense.

Sweet's did not claim PR, he claimed "I am going to play in a way that is bad for Town."

That works as a scum play only because the prevailing view around here is: "too scummy to be scum." And it is a very easy ploy. It has also allowed him to avoid talking about alignments. He just keeps telling everyone how hard his claim is.

Balki is very smart; able to fake things at a masterful depth. But scum balki has absolutely no reason to explain in the game thread - to scum rivera about why sweet is scum. Im ruling out any chance that rdr and balki and sweet are all scum here. I think this explanation would never be necessary to convince your own teammate of your reasoning.

Thoughts?

Sweet was >never< getting killed D1 this seems more like an easy layup than anything else for Balki to participate

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie,
When you think of lurkers and low participation; below what post total do you consider someone to be scummy?

If I were to vote a lurker here who do you most suspect is mafia?

It depends on the overall level of activity in any given game.

Lurking is not just low posting, it's low posting whilst also seeming to have an eye on the game.

As to question 2:
Worcej, Lfischl, maybe Eden.

Jamie tries to muddy the waters on what a lurker actually is; then takes worcej and eden who had 10 posts at this point and tries to then throw them down into the category of “lurkers we should consider”.

The addition of lfischl here and omission of chaqa and kotp and rdr demonstrates perhaps not wanting to prod people into activity. He seens kotp getting alot of townreads from vecna-myself and others and probably doesnt want to single out kotp at all. Doesnt want rdr to awaken to him. And especially doesnt want to rouse chaqa- instead choosing all game to list chaqa as his top town

See this is the only time tonight Brainbomb gives a reason for suspecting me, and it's not a good reason. Not a good reason at all.

Brainbomb, I already addressed this. I was providing useful content and I will damn well stick to it. Lurking is not simply low-posting. Lurking is more than that. I did not "muddy the waters", I provided insight.

[FlaviusAetius]

you do realize the jamie wagon was CREATED and DIED last game for the same exact reasons? People who go after you ARE the ones we should be looking at because their taking an easy pot shot, but you freaking out over it is WEIRD to me because this happens to you every game, and ends the same way every game so how can you say THIS is the straw on the camel's back?

Flavius was Towning all over Page 9. Unfiltered. Solvey. Town.

This however absolutely is a free pass balki would give to a towny who was not helping town OR to a SCUM partner WHO is running OBSTRUCTION for the scumteam.

EXCUSE me this is the >exact< same argument I made in M89 and will >always make< JUST because Jamie is unopleasnat D1 does not mean you can view him as scum BUT him freaking out over the same thing happening every game doesnt make >sense< either Im FAIRLY certain m89 he did >not< have the same reaction