MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

1 assassin + 1 secretary + 1 alien

Scumslip?

Surprised youre so on Vapor's case about it, but dont care for Jamiet doing the same thing (but stating theres only 1 scum left).

[Vecna]

those who have posted and were okayish:
emc
Squigs
Vecna
LQ
Ezio

those that have posted but are great actors so beware:
xorxes
Jamiet
Ike

iffy peeps:
damo
worcej

those who have posted but left no impression:
Neph
dargo? (am I imagining things? but I think there was 1 dargo post somewhere)
Percy
thamrick

Calling it now, if Vapor is scum either dargo/Percy is the last

I think youre confbiassing a little too much here by searching for evidence for something you want to prove.

[Percy Williams]

If?

What do you mean,. "If" you are not the Alien?

Don't you know?

Plot twist! Yav hasn't read his role PM.

I meant something like
"Although I'm not alien"
I know my role.

That was the sarcasm face I used. I know what you meant and that you know your role.

[Vecna]

Yes a lot of this is reachy and with a degree conf bias but at the same time, a lot of it makes sense.

Well at least youre aware. Im seeing those reads and I sort of feel like "would he really do that as scum? Jump between forgettable and a townread on Xorx like that?"

[Percy Williams]

So, then, right.

Once Worcej flips we still have one scum to go.

Everyone, who is your top scumread, after Worcej?

This seems remarkably certain theres only 1 scum left. What makes you say this Jamiet?

I think he was saying after we know alien from the self vote plan, and vote Worcej out that leaves one scum, because Jamiet strongly believed that Dargo was scum. I say believed because I only know what he was saying at the time.

[thamrick]

Just thought the same thing. Imagine Darg laughing at us all while they GM

Didn't he die D1? That means ike could never be infected.

Infect is before kill, its possible the alien targeted me for infection and had it redirected to Ike.

No it's not

[Vecna]

Who else except
- Percy
- Vapor
- Yav
- Ezio
Is in the POE here?

Im still suspicious of Ike myself. Losing Xorxes on D2 like they did they mightve gotten desperate and decide to claim RB on themselves to try and look good.

Besides, note how they also only had one or two actions available. Roleblocking someone means they couldnt use the item thief. Im also weirded out a little by how Ike keeps repeating that he was roleblocked.

How much time passed between start of day and Ike claiming it? Because it wouldve been risky to claim RB if they did succesfully steal an item, which could out it.

Was ike one of the people voting Xorxes?

[Vecna]

Didn't he die D1? That means ike could never be infected.

Infect is before kill, its possible the alien targeted me for infection and had it redirected to Ike.

No it's not

Am I missing something? Why isnt that possible? Alien acts before kills but after army driver

[Vecna]

Neph is completely different from his previous game

it's like it's a different person

there's funky smells surrounding him. I was utterly shocked when he went after Vecna

this is not normal

It is interesting that youre only outraged by him going after me now that he's targeting you though

[thamrick]

Infect is before kill, its possible the alien targeted me for infection and had it redirected to Ike.

No it's not

Am I missing something? Why isnt that possible? Alien acts before kills but after army driver

We know that Ike wasn't infected N1. His vote would have been redirected.

So either he was infected N2, he's the alien, or emc is lying

[Vecna]

yes, NOT having full info makes me hedgy

it was FCKING DAY 1, you get it?

You seem really mad haha

You have that effect on people

[Vecna]

Calling it now, if Vapor is scum either dargo/Percy is the last

are you okay, Mr Alien? I've caught attention upon Percy multiple times, I also predicted dargo to be scum

So now, because there's 0 chance to get Vecna, you thought trying it with someone else would be easier, eh?

Not with me, I'll withstand you to yer filthy face

Because Vecna essentially cleared himself with the Xorx vote I thought the chance of him being scum was negligible

I never voted Xorx

[thamrick]

Neph is completely different from his previous game

it's like it's a different person

there's funky smells surrounding him. I was utterly shocked when he went after Vecna

this is not normal

It is interesting that youre only outraged by him going after me now that he's targeting you though

To be fair, Vapor mentioned before that Neph was suspicious for suspecting you. Or possibly that he was town for it? I can't remember without going back. I know that he has mentioned Neph's reads of you before though.

[Vecna]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

The alien is immune to night actions, so he would still be infecting people

[thamrick]

Here's what I was remembering.

Neph is quite spicy

I'm digging his 'against the consensus' lean on Vecna, very gutsy

make love not war, you're both townies

loving Neph, he's incredible this game deffo want more of him

Im probably biased, but....what?

Loving his takes, they're unique, it's a great task to try and kill Vecna and I'm enjoying his courage

The fact that he think you can be scum with such townie posts gives me the impression that he really respects you

Btw, I don't agree with him but sometime, you don't have to think alike in order to appreciate a different perspective

[thamrick]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

The alien is immune to night actions, so he would still be infecting people

Is he? I wasn't sure if that's what night-immune implied.

For clarity:

##CALL GM: Does RB'ing the alien prevent a targeted infection?

[e.m.c^42]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

The alien is immune to night actions, so he would still be infecting people

isn't roleblock different tho? since it's the same type of action as truck driving and stuff.
I thought alien was immune as in immune to killing actions and the like

[Vecna]

Doesn't that give the alien another day to hide?

This is actually a good point.

There is no reason to remove his infection tonight since it will allow us to catch the alien today.

But is he really infected?
We will base all the day on EMC unexplained read?

Lets pick this up tomorrow.

Scum should have no reason to kill Yavuz here (id hope) so I dont see how waiting one day with removing it should harm us?

[e.m.c^42]

as for Vapor, I dunno if he's gotten infected by my Neph fanboying or something lol (but I'm glad I'm not alone in in xD)

haven't seen him mention Neph in the past like this, is the change in activity this game really that surprising for him to react like this?

[Vecna]

No it's not

Am I missing something? Why isnt that possible? Alien acts before kills but after army driver

We know that Ike wasn't infected N1. His vote would have been redirected.

So either he was infected N2, he's the alien, or emc is lying

We were talking about the hypothetical situation in which Darg was the alien, in which case the vote wouldnt be redirected.