MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Vaporwave]

This is what pings me. You made a genuinely terrible move, I personally find this scummier than townier. The fact you think this cleared you only gives me more pause.

It was terrible because I wasn't familiar with it. If I were to have a team, someone would have advised me. I'm aware that 'if I were a wolf' scenarios look defensive, but you're out of control with this unfounded suspicion.

I'm careless and innocent as you'll notice if you examine my posts in details.

You've been very incredible this game, I also had and still have trouble placing you in any category because your personality has transformed so the feeling of suspicion is mutual

[Vecna]

I still have a bunch of catching up to do, but I hope people figured out whether EMC is or is not bullshitting (so people like Yavuz know who to properly target with their claimed item).

[yavuzovic]

Even if I'm not the Alien, I have a strong urge to move my vote.

If?

What do you mean,. "If" you are not the Alien?

Don't you know?

Plot twist! Yav hasn't read his role PM.

I meant something like
"Although I'm not alien"
I know my role.

[Vecna]

##Call gm, some questions

Can the alien be targeted by the army driver? Will the switch work?

Does the Alien get notified that he has been targeted by a certain action (even in the case it fails?)

[Vecna]

So, then, right.

Once Worcej flips we still have one scum to go.

Everyone, who is your top scumread, after Worcej?

This seems remarkably certain theres only 1 scum left. What makes you say this Jamiet?

[Vecna]

So, then, right.

Once Worcej flips we still have one scum to go.

Everyone, who is your top scumread, after Worcej?

You bus soooooo good baby :D

And then this reaction following afterwards.

[e.m.c^42]

What I'm most curious about is the weirdness of emc yesterday.

We can discuss it during the day if that makes more sense.

oh no, I'm still weird right now, not just yesterday

Give me 3 reasons I shouldn't push for you to be a wagon tomorrow, cite your sources please :P

You'll lose my fabulousness, the game will get even more quiet, and I will be dead if it succeeds

cit. me ;D

also there will be no-one to write poetic eulogies for our deceased.

[e.m.c^42]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

yeah, something like this is why I'm in favor of yavu trying it on Ike: if it tells yavu that it worked, you'll also have confirmation at EON that I'm not lying, and we'll have a safe day w/o any possible vote manipulations or possible night actions the next night, or having to do the self-vote again.

if it doesn't work, then he's either uninfected or the alien, and someone can easily test that with heat gun or something
if the cure gives a result of not working to yavu, and heat gun does work on Ike, feel free to lynch me tomorrow :P

[e.m.c^42]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

yeah, something like this is why I'm in favor of yavu trying it on Ike: if it tells yavu that it worked, you'll also have confirmation at EON that I'm not lying, and we'll have a safe day w/o any possible vote manipulations or possible night actions the next night, or having to do the self-vote again.

if it doesn't work, then he's either uninfected or the alien, and someone can easily test that with heat gun or something
if the cure gives a result of not working to yavu, and heat gun does work on Ike, feel free to lynch me tomorrow :P

[e.m.c^42]

oops, clicked twice, ignore the double post

[yavuzovic]

If we can believe RagingIke's N2 role block claim and emc's N2 NK claim, the secretary is still around, so if dargorygel was scum, he was the assassin. That means he would not know who the other scum were, so I do not think there is much reason to think the scum reads of dargorygel were particularly accurate. I think chances are there are still 2 scum left.

If we can believe emc's claim that RagingIke was scanned for alien DNA with a positive result N2, then RagingIke is either the alien or was infected N2. If RagingIke is the alien and was role blocked N1 ans N2, he could not infect anyone yet. If RagingIke was infected N2 and yavuzovic has targeted him with the Reverse Alien DNA, there will not be a "second day phase" infected player D4. Either way, self voting on D4 is not likely to reveal anything.

Reverse DNA is not an immediate-use item. It's listed in the order of night actions. I can withdraw the order. But if I use and Ike votes for someone isn't voted by others, we learn his identity.

[Vecna]

Wow cool.

I told you about Worcej.

Why was there NO vote manipulation though?

Because Alien was smart enough to not infect N1 after Worcej plan or because the infected is dead?

Its still possible that a combination of LQ, Tham or Jamiet is the alien + N1 infected.

Unlikely, but possible.

Technically even Neph being alien with Worcej being the infected was possible, but that is so far out there that....yeah never mind.

[Vecna]

Doesn't that give the alien another day to hide?

This is actually a good point.

There is no reason to remove his infection tonight since it will allow us to catch the alien today.

[rdrivera2005]

Wow cool.

I told you about Worcej.

Why was there NO vote manipulation though?

Because Alien was smart enough to not infect N1 after Worcej plan or because the infected is dead?

Its still possible that a combination of LQ, Tham or Jamiet is the alien + N1 infected.

Unlikely, but possible.

Technically even Neph being alien with Worcej being the infected was possible, but that is so far out there that....yeah never mind.

True, I can be N1 infected too, with one of three being alien, that's why I ideally want max two with me, but Worcej wifon forced me to include Qas.

[rdrivera2005]

Doesn't that give the alien another day to hide?

This is actually a good point.

There is no reason to remove his infection tonight since it will allow us to catch the alien today.

But is he really infected?
We will base all the day on EMC unexplained read?

[thamrick]

It was pretty obvious that alien knew they'd be safe with how uneventful EoD was.

If we do employ some similar strategy tomorrow, I'd prefer that whoever decides EoD vote alignment does so closer to EoD (with enough time to get votes in the correct spots).

[ND]

##Call gm, some questions

Can the alien be targeted by the army driver? Will the switch work?

Does the Alien get notified that he has been targeted by a certain action (even in the case it fails?)

##Gm Note
1. Sure. Yes.
2. Depends on the action.

[Vecna]

I just had a thought, what if darg was alien

It would be almost unethical to give him this much fun, to get to GM us all with that knowledge.

[Vecna]

##Call gm, some questions

Can the alien be targeted by the army driver? Will the switch work?

Does the Alien get notified that he has been targeted by a certain action (even in the case it fails?)

##Gm Note
1. Sure. Yes.
2. Depends on the action.

Call gm:

Would the alien get notified if a roleblock on him has failed?

[Vecna]

I just had a thought, what if darg was alien

Just thought the same thing. Imagine Darg laughing at us all while they GM

Didn't he die D1? That means ike could never be infected.

Infect is before kill, its possible the alien targeted me for infection and had it redirected to Ike.