M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Chaqa]

No sense of humour tsk tsk

Also Balki, why are you so desperate to townread Chaqa?
Since yesterday Chaqa switched his vote off scum last minute almost saving him and now saying we should information lynch emc. (On day 4)
His defense for everything is literally "I'm too scummy to be scum"

I really have no issue cancelling scum reads once they show up and show genuine thought. Chaqa isn't doimg that.

You’re one to talk. I legitimately can’t think of anything you’ve done all game except harass me, push for the hammer, and spam stupid long posts that should be a bannable offense.

[Chaqa]

Worcej and Flum need to fuck off spamming the thread like that. Seriously guys, fuck off.

Absolutely agree.

Really angry. Makes the game almost unplayable. A further transgression and I will appeal to the committee/council whatever the fuck it is and request a temporary ban. I mean it. Do NOT fucking repeat such stupidity.

Oh, don't tempt me.

Either of you do it again and I’ll join damo and possibly quit the game.

It’s fucking immature and annoying.

[Fluminator]

Fox's EOD3 and NIght 3 has been really bad so far, not gonna lie.

Fox, you have to admit that objectively, your movements at EOD3 were really sketchy. So why are you trying so hard to argue it's above suspicious?

Voting solely based on making interesting endgame scenarios isn't even super townie since it takes off all the responsibility of your reads.
When I voted Worjec day 1 to create a counterwagon for information, at least I actually wanted Worjec lynched back then.

[Fluminator]

*above suspicion
*end day scenarios

Where'd the edit button go

[Fluminator]

No sense of humour tsk tsk

Also Balki, why are you so desperate to townread Chaqa?
Since yesterday Chaqa switched his vote off scum last minute almost saving him and now saying we should information lynch emc. (On day 4)
His defense for everything is literally "I'm too scummy to be scum"

I really have no issue cancelling scum reads once they show up and show genuine thought. Chaqa isn't doimg that.

You’re one to talk. I legitimately can’t think of anything you’ve done all game except harass me, push for the hammer, and spam stupid long posts that should be a bannable offense.

Is that because you only really read posts that concern you?

[Chaqa]

No sense of humour tsk tsk

Also Balki, why are you so desperate to townread Chaqa?
Since yesterday Chaqa switched his vote off scum last minute almost saving him and now saying we should information lynch emc. (On day 4)
His defense for everything is literally "I'm too scummy to be scum"

I really have no issue cancelling scum reads once they show up and show genuine thought. Chaqa isn't doimg that.

You’re one to talk. I legitimately can’t think of anything you’ve done all game except harass me, push for the hammer, and spam stupid long posts that should be a bannable offense.

Is that because you only really read posts that concern you?

Well, I try to read most everything, but some people decide to spam the thread with thousand-line long spam. I definitely notice things with my name in them more. Who doesn't?

[Foxcastle]

Fox's EOD3 and NIght 3 has been really bad so far, not gonna lie.

Fox, you have to admit that objectively, your movements at EOD3 were really sketchy. So why are you trying so hard to argue it's above suspicious?

Voting solely based on making interesting endgame scenarios isn't even super townie since it takes off all the responsibility of your reads.
When I voted Worjec day 1 to create a counterwagon for information, at least I actually wanted Worjec lynched back then.

Yep, I get that. And if it looks like I've been arguing that I wasn't not suspicious, that was not my intention, I have been arguing for people to look at the complete picture and against posts that I think are flawed in their analysis and conclusion (e.g., Worcej picking 5 votes to analyze when there is additional relevant action to consider).

[worcej]

Absolutely agree.

Really angry. Makes the game almost unplayable. A further transgression and I will appeal to the committee/council whatever the fuck it is and request a temporary ban. I mean it. Do NOT fucking repeat such stupidity.

Oh, don't tempt me.

Either of you do it again and I’ll join damo and possibly quit the game.

It’s fucking immature and annoying.

I think you need to look in the mirror and figure out who is being immature here.

I just read your post and heard: "He did something I don't like so I am going to take my ball and go home if you do it again!"

[Chaqa]

Oh, don't tempt me.

Either of you do it again and I’ll join damo and possibly quit the game.

It’s fucking immature and annoying.

I think you need to look in the mirror and figure out who is being immature here.

I just read your post and heard: "He did something I don't like so I am going to take my ball and go home if you do it again!"

It's a long long post that takes about a full minute to scroll past on my phone when I'm trying to read. And you two keep reposting/quoting it. It's disrespectful.

[worcej]

Fox's EOD3 and NIght 3 has been really bad so far, not gonna lie.

Fox, you have to admit that objectively, your movements at EOD3 were really sketchy. So why are you trying so hard to argue it's above suspicious?

Voting solely based on making interesting endgame scenarios isn't even super townie since it takes off all the responsibility of your reads.
When I voted Worjec day 1 to create a counterwagon for information, at least I actually wanted Worjec lynched back then.

Yep, I get that. And if it looks like I've been arguing that I wasn't not suspicious, that was not my intention, I have been arguing for people to look at the complete picture and against posts that I think are flawed in their analysis and conclusion (e.g., Worcej picking 5 votes to analyze when there is additional relevant action to consider).

I did my analysis under the context of people who moved off bob near EOD. In no way am I ignoring the whole picture - as I mentioned, Damo's late surge to get people onto EMC and off Bob is also weird, but it was not included in the vote analysis because he didn't contribute to it.

Also - I do find it interesting you are throwing darts at my analysis more than owning your portion.

[worcej]

Either of you do it again and I’ll join damo and possibly quit the game.

It’s fucking immature and annoying.

I think you need to look in the mirror and figure out who is being immature here.

I just read your post and heard: "He did something I don't like so I am going to take my ball and go home if you do it again!"

It's a long long post that takes about a full minute to scroll past on my phone when I'm trying to read. And you two keep reposting/quoting it. It's disrespectful.

Right, but the adult way to take care of this is to say that originally and then I'd feel shame/bad.

Using swear words and threats does nothing but make me laugh at how something as trivial as that cause such distress.

[Foxcastle]

Okay, so I get that people move votes for other reasons than voting their conscience. But, twice you called out people voting for BobMcBob, known scum, and asked them specifically to move their votes or to consider who else they might want to vote for. A general answer of "Rx test!: doesn't speak to that at all; it waives the question away. Can you answer the specifics?

I called out everyone who wasn't voting for Chaqa with me at a point when game was looking stagnant well before EOD, to be clear; that was not asking people to move their votes off Bob, I asked the Xorxes and Rdrivera (the Bob voters at the time) who their choice was among an alternate list. And closer to EOD when I suggested that a Bob voter move to Chaqa, that was clearly to create a three-way tie—yes, Bob's flip makes that look worse, but I am aware of my own lack of leadership skills, and as scum would not try such a weak tactic that would likely expose me like that.

[Foxcastle]

Fox's EOD3 and NIght 3 has been really bad so far, not gonna lie.

Fox, you have to admit that objectively, your movements at EOD3 were really sketchy. So why are you trying so hard to argue it's above suspicious?

Voting solely based on making interesting endgame scenarios isn't even super townie since it takes off all the responsibility of your reads.
When I voted Worjec day 1 to create a counterwagon for information, at least I actually wanted Worjec lynched back then.

Yep, I get that. And if it looks like I've been arguing that I wasn't not suspicious, that was not my intention, I have been arguing for people to look at the complete picture and against posts that I think are flawed in their analysis and conclusion (e.g., Worcej picking 5 votes to analyze when there is additional relevant action to consider).

I did my analysis under the context of people who moved off bob near EOD. In no way am I ignoring the whole picture - as I mentioned, Damo's late surge to get people onto EMC and off Bob is also weird, but it was not included in the vote analysis because he didn't contribute to it.

Also - I do find it interesting you are throwing darts at my analysis more than owning your portion.

Why do you find it interesting? Either I'm scum, and I'm going to fight it, or I'm wrongly accused town, and the right thing to do is fight it. That doesn't change that choosing to pick out those five points (even if you can justify a reason) is flawed. In either case, the idea that I should be "owning my portion" is irrelevant—I've said I realize that D3 looks bad for me, I'm not apologizing for it, I don't even know what it would mean to "own my portion."

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, so I get that people move votes for other reasons than voting their conscience. But, twice you called out people voting for BobMcBob, known scum, and asked them specifically to move their votes or to consider who else they might want to vote for. A general answer of "Rx test!: doesn't speak to that at all; it waives the question away. Can you answer the specifics?

I called out everyone who wasn't voting for Chaqa with me at a point when game was looking stagnant well before EOD, to be clear; that was not asking people to move their votes off Bob, I asked the Xorxes and Rdrivera (the Bob voters at the time) who their choice was among an alternate list. And closer to EOD when I suggested that a Bob voter move to Chaqa, that was clearly to create a three-way tie—yes, Bob's flip makes that look worse, but I am aware of my own lack of leadership skills, and as scum would not try such a weak tactic that would likely expose me like that.

Okay, good. So you get that what you did looks suspicious. Not saying it's like a cop scan or anything, but it looks bad given what we know now.

And I hear you re "I am aware of my own lack of leadership skills." I'm not sure that's true, but you're right, this kind of vote herding can be risky for Scum!Fox if Bob flips. But...it was a pretty big deal to scum to win that lynch. That was a turning point in the game, I think, and it was super close. So, I think that's where scum try to take some risks to win the day. If you had successfully prevented Bob from flipping, as looked plausible, Scum!Fox would still be sitting pretty.

So, let's talk about your Balki read. Where does it stand now? You have been defending yourself against me in the last dozen or so pages by suggesting that I am scum for pushing you. Do you think that?

[worcej]

Yep, I get that. And if it looks like I've been arguing that I wasn't not suspicious, that was not my intention, I have been arguing for people to look at the complete picture and against posts that I think are flawed in their analysis and conclusion (e.g., Worcej picking 5 votes to analyze when there is additional relevant action to consider).

I did my analysis under the context of people who moved off bob near EOD. In no way am I ignoring the whole picture - as I mentioned, Damo's late surge to get people onto EMC and off Bob is also weird, but it was not included in the vote analysis because he didn't contribute to it.

Also - I do find it interesting you are throwing darts at my analysis more than owning your portion.

Why do you find it interesting? Either I'm scum, and I'm going to fight it, or I'm wrongly accused town, and the right thing to do is fight it. That doesn't change that choosing to pick out those five points (even if you can justify a reason) is flawed. In either case, the idea that I should be "owning my portion" is irrelevant—I've said I realize that D3 looks bad for me, I'm not apologizing for it, I don't even know what it would mean to "own my portion."

I don't think there is anything flawed with looking at the 4 people who moved off Bob and continued to try to make the votes close near EOD.

I hear your reasons for why, but I struggle to see the town logic in it because it creates more opportunities for vote manipulation by the scum.

[Chaqa]

I think you need to look in the mirror and figure out who is being immature here.

I just read your post and heard: "He did something I don't like so I am going to take my ball and go home if you do it again!"

It's a long long post that takes about a full minute to scroll past on my phone when I'm trying to read. And you two keep reposting/quoting it. It's disrespectful.

Right, but the adult way to take care of this is to say that originally and then I'd feel shame/bad.

Using swear words and threats does nothing but make me laugh at how something as trivial as that cause such distress.

You really didn't understand why we took issue with it?

Now see, *that* makes me laugh.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Why do you find it interesting? Either I'm scum, and I'm going to fight it, or I'm wrongly accused town, and the right thing to do is fight it. That doesn't change that choosing to pick out those five points (even if you can justify a reason) is flawed. In either case, the idea that I should be "owning my portion" is irrelevant—I've said I realize that D3 looks bad for me, I'm not apologizing for it, I don't even know what it would mean to "own my portion."

Eh...you're kind of owning it now after I criticized you for deflecting. Also, you keep scum reading ME -- YOUR #1 TOWN READ -- for pursuing this line. That's odd considering you now say the whole thing looks bad for you, right?

[Foxcastle]

I did my analysis under the context of people who moved off bob near EOD. In no way am I ignoring the whole picture - as I mentioned, Damo's late surge to get people onto EMC and off Bob is also weird, but it was not included in the vote analysis because he didn't contribute to it.

Also - I do find it interesting you are throwing darts at my analysis more than owning your portion.

Why do you find it interesting? Either I'm scum, and I'm going to fight it, or I'm wrongly accused town, and the right thing to do is fight it. That doesn't change that choosing to pick out those five points (even if you can justify a reason) is flawed. In either case, the idea that I should be "owning my portion" is irrelevant—I've said I realize that D3 looks bad for me, I'm not apologizing for it, I don't even know what it would mean to "own my portion."

I don't think there is anything flawed with looking at the 4 people who moved off Bob and continued to try to make the votes close near EOD.

I hear your reasons for why, but I struggle to see the town logic in it because it creates more opportunities for vote manipulation by the scum.

The town logic is that I know you're drawing a false conclusion and am trying to help you fix yourself.

[Foxcastle]

Why do you find it interesting? Either I'm scum, and I'm going to fight it, or I'm wrongly accused town, and the right thing to do is fight it. That doesn't change that choosing to pick out those five points (even if you can justify a reason) is flawed. In either case, the idea that I should be "owning my portion" is irrelevant—I've said I realize that D3 looks bad for me, I'm not apologizing for it, I don't even know what it would mean to "own my portion."

I don't think there is anything flawed with looking at the 4 people who moved off Bob and continued to try to make the votes close near EOD.

I hear your reasons for why, but I struggle to see the town logic in it because it creates more opportunities for vote manipulation by the scum.

The town logic is that I know you're drawing an incorrect conclusion and am trying to help you fix yourself.

EBWOP

[worcej]

It's a long long post that takes about a full minute to scroll past on my phone when I'm trying to read. And you two keep reposting/quoting it. It's disrespectful.

Right, but the adult way to take care of this is to say that originally and then I'd feel shame/bad.

Using swear words and threats does nothing but make me laugh at how something as trivial as that cause such distress.

You really didn't understand why we took issue with it?

Now see, *that* makes me laugh.

I understand why you would be upset, but I am an asshole/bully when it comes to things like these. Seeing childish responses from people makes me want to poke more because I see it apparently bothered you significantly.

In regards to the game, it also helps because now you're belligerent/angry. It's hard to be fake when you are that way.