MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[Claesar]

The main reason? I thought the main reason you gave up was mathematical.
Speaking of which, wanna run through the math for me on why we were dead in the water?

So, you've constantly been saying we still had x many mislynches. However, that only aplies if everyone participates. You need to substract one mislynch for every town lurker, because they're utterly useless in a vanilla game. That's why we were already dead.

Fortunately, Rdrivera gave us Xorxes and scum have been lynching lurkers. If they hadn't, we'd have lost already. I'm not kidding.

The reason I haven't been doing calculations every phase in this game is because I've been doing them by hand. The number of calculations increase exponentially with every added player. If we lynch another scum today (which I doubt), I'll be able to look up the old calculations and post the math (for random lynches). 3 scum is a very different calculation from 2 scum however, so I won't spend my next half hour on doing that math.

[Claesar]

Why was my vote not counted by the way? I voted already, but apparently the syntax was wrong or something.

##vote Yavuz

My current scumpool is (random order):
Yavuz
Jamie
Dargo
Bozo
Vapour

As I explained. I believe three scum are in that pool. I'm not voting outside of those.

[Claesar]

Also cleasar if you dont defend yourself im voting for you, ive had enough with your shenanigans, and my reason for it is that you are letting me defend you without providing anything

We all want to hear a full defense from Claesar

What full defence? You haven't even read my posts. Tell me what you want to know.

[bozotheclown]

Xorxes, in M1005, was also scum. Partners: Jamie and Neph.
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# of times Xorxes discussed Jaime in a Post: Too damn many to count actually... they talked with each other a lot,
# of times Jamie scum read by Xorxes: 1
# of times Jamie town read by Xorxes: 2

# of times Xorxes mentioned Neph in a Post: 10 times, a lot of them direct interactions.
# of times Neph scum read by Xorxes: 1
# of times Neph town read by Xorxes: 2

The theory of Xorxes intentionally distancing himself from his scum team this game seems rooted in fallacy...

I did not count how many times xorxes mentioned each player, I counted how many times xorxes replied to posts from each player. I did not suggest xorxes was distancing himself from scum, but I think it is possible he was careful to interact with all the town players by replying to some of their posts, and subsequently might not have responded to his teammates as much. However, everyone is free to decide for themselves if they think it means anything or not.

Okay, I'll do this:
# of times Xorxes replied directly to Jamie in a Post: 9 times on D1, 1 time N1, 2 times D2. Jamie Died EOD2 via lynch.

# of times Xorxes replied directly to Neph in a Post: 2 times on D1, none on N1, D2, and N2, then 8 times on D3. Neph died EON2 via vig shot.

Xorxes total posts were these for the phases, listed in order of time: 43, 13, 29, 10, 29

So what is your point with the underlined part of your quote when there is not much of a history of him avoiding scum. History shows he is more prone to actually disguise his scum team by doing both at the same time.

I was only comparing xorxes replies to different players this game, which I did because I saw that almost all of his posts were replies. I will look at the other game you referenced.

[yavuzovic]

Why was my vote not counted by the way? I voted already, but apparently the syntax was wrong or something.

##vote Yavuz

My current scumpool is (random order):
Yavuz
Jamie
Dargo
Bozo
Vapour

As I explained. I believe three scum are in that pool. I'm not voting outside of those.

You're scum with Flavius, aren't you?

[bozotheclown]

@bozo - in regards to xorxes, I think it is pretty well established if he is still alive beyond N3 that he is probably scum.

It is also a convenient excuse if you want to bus him D4.

Prior to this, I am already being scum read for pretty much existing this game. Do you think I would be stupid enough to think bussing Xorxes would be a positive move for my team at that point? I would've suggested the exact opposite in this context - that they should bus me.

Six different players voted for xorxes at some point D3 while only three different players voted for you, I do not think the scum team would choose to bus you over xorxes D4. xorxes was probably already getting bussed D3.

[bozotheclown]

#GM Note
Flavour names are 100% Non Alignment Indicative. We made the flavour names before assigning roles, with the exception of Cleaser's current name. His original name was "beeg cheef" as a pun on ceaser, but I understand it, he requested a flavour change. Vecna's Flavour name was Vek nah, but it auto corrected to the actual name. I not worried about you looking at flavour names, but it is a complete waste of your time.

Oh, I thought it referred to Notorious B.I.G., East-coast rapper. So I figured: If we can find the West-coast rappers..
...

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Ooga! East Cave unite! I'm ready to die, for there's life after death and I will be born again!
...

My townclear is going to be a bit cheeky, but it comes down to these two posts. When I read my flavour name, "Beeg cheef", I thought it referred to East-coast rapper Notorious B.I.G., which made sense as I was East coast. That's why I referenced some of his song titles in one of my first posts.

I then figured later on that we could find scum by having everyone's flavour name and finding out who the West-coast rappers were.. That's the second post I've quoted above.

If you don't want to use this because this out-of-game info, then that's fine. But don't come crying later. I couldn't have faked this.

This post is cut short because I'm feeling very dizzy. I'll try to answer Damo with my scumlist, though few people will like what I have to say about that.

The GM said your name was a reference to Ceasar, not Notorious B.I.G. Do you think your theory is supported by any of the named revealed so far? By the way, why did you request a name change?

[worcej]

Whoever said that vanilla games are better with smaller numbers, I agree. My read on Jamiet is that he is really working hard. Way hard. Would he work that hard as scum? Hmmm.
Worcej remains on my scum list. But he is notching up towards town. He has stopped his anger towards me. But us that him acting like he should? Or like he us?
Claesar remains separate. I'm waiting for the maths from him.
Bozo is high on my scum list. Nut mostly based on meta.
Yavu feels like he is scrambling. Scummy.
Vapor has disappeared. Makes him scummish
I am liking flavious less and less.

Too many options.
I am staying with Claesar. Although no one seems trying to save him. Which might concern me except I expect scum is wanting a small footprint.

You're still on my scum list, but I am willing to spend a mislynch on Jamie to confirm if he is wolfing or not.

If he is so towny, why hasn't he been NK'ed yet? When looking at the kills, MF was much more scum read and disliked than Jaime. I don't think any decent scum team would keep the 'leader of the town' alive over a lurking town player that has done little to none to contribute.

[worcej]

I've been glancing at the words of the dead.
I'm going back to my original.
## VOTE worcej

I legit hope you're scum. Otherwise in post-game, I am going to rage at you for tunneling me all fucking game

[worcej]

Why was my vote not counted by the way? I voted already, but apparently the syntax was wrong or something.

##vote Yavuz

My current scumpool is (random order):
Yavuz
Jamie
Dargo
Bozo
Vapour

As I explained. I believe three scum are in that pool. I'm not voting outside of those.

What makes Yavuz more scum than Jamie? I only ask this because you're starting (or at least continuing) a new wagon.

[dargorygel]

Whoever said that vanilla games are better with smaller numbers, I agree. My read on Jamiet is that he is really working hard. Way hard. Would he work that hard as scum? Hmmm.
Worcej remains on my scum list. But he is notching up towards town. He has stopped his anger towards me. But us that him acting like he should? Or like he us?
Claesar remains separate. I'm waiting for the maths from him.
Bozo is high on my scum list. Nut mostly based on meta.
Yavu feels like he is scrambling. Scummy.
Vapor has disappeared. Makes him scummish
I am liking flavious less and less.

Too many options.
I am staying with Claesar. Although no one seems trying to save him. Which might concern me except I expect scum is wanting a small footprint.

You're still on my scum list, but I am willing to spend a mislynch on Jamie to confirm if he is wolfing or not.

If he is so towny, why hasn't he been NK'ed yet? When looking at the kills, MF was much more scum read and disliked than Jaime. I don't think any decent scum team would keep the 'leader of the town' alive over a lurking town player that has done little to none to contribute.

I hope you are scum too... It all comes to the early logic for me of scum being you or jamiet.
I am confused why he was not NK Ed too. The Moscow thing was odd. But if jamiet is scum...

[dargorygel]

Why was my vote not counted by the way? I voted already, but apparently the syntax was wrong or something.

##vote Yavuz

My current scumpool is (random order):
Yavuz
Jamie
Dargo
Bozo
Vapour

As I explained. I believe three scum are in that pool. I'm not voting outside of those.

What makes Yavuz more scum than Jamie? I only ask this because you're starting (or at least continuing) a new wagon.

He said random order

[dargorygel]

@worcej... You probably said earlier... But i am cooking and don't have time to look. Why not Claesar?

[Claesar]

What makes Yavuz more scum than Jamie? I only ask this because you're starting (or at least continuing) a new wagon.

Read my scumreads, in reply to Dargo. I can't link it right now.

[dargorygel]

You answered my question. Not necessarily adequately... But you answered.

[dargorygel]

You answered my question. Not necessarily adequately... But you answered.

[Claesar]

The GM said your name was a reference to Ceasar, not Notorious B.I.G. Do you think your theory is supported by any of the named revealed so far? By the way, why did you request a name change?

Yes, I was proven wrong. But that's not the point. I didn't know that at the time because I believed I was Notorious, which I could only have thought if I was East coast i.e. Town.

[Jamiet99uk]

The GM said your name was a reference to Ceasar, not Notorious B.I.G. Do you think your theory is supported by any of the named revealed so far? By the way, why did you request a name change?

Yes, I was proven wrong. But that's not the point. I didn't know that at the time because I believed I was Notorious, which I could only have thought if I was East coast i.e. Town.

Everyone could "think" that they are town.

Bullshit.

[worcej]

@worcej... You probably said earlier... But i am cooking and don't have time to look. Why not Claesar?

Because in my eyes he has done less scummy things than what I believe Jamie, bozo, and yourself have done.

I'll give you a little secret of mine: I never look at anyone as confirmed town unless they are an un-CC'ed PR.

[Jamiet99uk]

You seem deadset that he is scum to have voted him and even planted an end vote early in the day.

Am I mistaken that you believe he is 100% scum?

I'm asking you about your opinion, not asking you to state what my opinion is.

Presently, yes I believe Cleasar is town based on how hard you have been trying to push him today along with the belief you are wolfing. There are a few AFK votes planted on him now so mission is probably accomplished for you.

For the fourth time I asm Worcej to analyse Cleasar on his own, and not in context of me.

For the fourth time, Worcej is unable to do so, and cannot avoid setting his Claesar read in the direct context of how he reads me.