M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Foxcastle]

Worcej and Flum need to fuck off spamming the thread like that. Seriously guys, fuck off.

+1

[BunnyGo]

Balki, the general answer to all your questions is that I was creating information on a day that, in its first 40+ hours had generated not a lot of material. It was Day 3, with 15 players, and we'd only had about 20 votes total with under four hours to go. This is on top of a Day 2 that also didn't generate a lot of information in the form of votes. That is abysmal if you want to be able to come back and find any useful information later in the game. (And I do think it's true that when the day is static, scum are happy.) You want stuff to analyze? You have to to move the board. All of my scumreads were weak scumreads, arrived at at least partially by POE from having a lot of town reads, so rather than try to push the best weak idea I had at the moment, I wanted to shake things up any see if any better ideas came out of it.

So call it a reaction test, call it shaking things up, call it whatever you want. You can easily find this insinuation in my posts (though I know you won't).

I'm not going to claim I am responsible for lynching Bob when I pushed his wagon 47 minutes out. But if I'm scum, why would I have done that? He was at 2 votes, he had been bouncing between 2-3; Jamiet and rdr had previously voted Bob but weren't on him at that time, so if I was scum, I was taking a huge risk that pushing him to 3 could easily turn into 5, not even counting the obvious general appetite to lynch lurkers. Do you think I'm stupid scum?

I noticed Balki didnt attempt an unbiased assessment of his own record. Care to analyze?

I'm behind an 8 ball at work today, but will try my own analysis by EOD

Also I'm policy lynching Flum & Worc for that shit, even though I currently town read them. I *really* hope my EOD analysis changes that for me.

[damo666]

Worcej and Flum need to fuck off spamming the thread like that. Seriously guys, fuck off.

Absolutely agree.

Really angry. Makes the game almost unplayable. A further transgression and I will appeal to the committee/council whatever the fuck it is and request a temporary ban. I mean it. Do NOT fucking repeat such stupidity.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why do you exclude emc?

i no longer think he is scum

Why not?

[damo666]

Why do you exclude emc?

i no longer think he is scum

Why not?

Mainly because I can't put him in a scumpair I am happy with.

[Fluminator]

No sense of humour tsk tsk

Also Balki, why are you so desperate to townread Chaqa?
Since yesterday Chaqa switched his vote off scum last minute almost saving him and now saying we should information lynch emc. (On day 4)
His defense for everything is literally "I'm too scummy to be scum"

I really have no issue cancelling scum reads once they show up and show genuine thought. Chaqa isn't doimg that.

[xorxes]

i no longer think he is scum

Why not?

Mainly because I can't put him in a scumpair I am happy with.

He could be the "clueless Mafia" though, I can see him describing himself like that. Almost anyone could be the patient zero.

[Fluminator]

If patient zero is the last mafia left, do they gain the power of the nightkill?

[xorxes]

If patient zero is the last mafia left, do they gain the power of the nightkill?

That's how it usually works with traitor roles but I don't think it was specified.

[BunnyGo]

If patient zero is the last mafia left, do they gain the power of the nightkill?

If they don't, the game gets sorta dull...there isn't anything differentiating the players except 1 knows he's hunted, and the others get no feedbacks except "nope, another mislynch!"

And when there are 2 people left it's a draw!

[BunnyGo]

Sorry I haven't done my reads of the EOD yet, meetings all morning. But I'll have a few minutes in an hour...will try then before taking over the homeschooling.

[worcej]

Worcej and Flum need to fuck off spamming the thread like that. Seriously guys, fuck off.

+1

-1 = 0.

[worcej]

Worcej and Flum need to fuck off spamming the thread like that. Seriously guys, fuck off.

Absolutely agree.

Really angry. Makes the game almost unplayable. A further transgression and I will appeal to the committee/council whatever the fuck it is and request a temporary ban. I mean it. Do NOT fucking repeat such stupidity.

Oh, don't tempt me.

[worcej]

i no longer think he is scum

Why not?

Mainly because I can't put him in a scumpair I am happy with.

Is there a reason you are focusing on scum pairs specifically? Especially with EMC.

[Fluminator]

If patient zero is the last mafia left, do they gain the power of the nightkill?

If they don't, the game gets sorta dull...there isn't anything differentiating the players except 1 knows he's hunted, and the others get no feedbacks except "nope, another mislynch!"

And when there are 2 people left it's a draw!

That's not unheard of in setups with traitors.

##Call GM, does the secret mafia gain a nightkill if we kill the rest?

[xorxes]

SPAM:
Spamming (defined as excessive content-free posting; or, excessive posting regarding subjects irrelevant to the game) is not mod-killed by rule in this game. The in-game voting mechanic exists to curb any advantage that spamming as a tactic may confer; please reference the “VOTING” section below for more information. Suffice to say that spamming is not worth anyone’s time in this setup, and will be frowned upon, so while you may not be lynched or mod-killed for spamming, please refrain from doing so.

[Fluminator]

Who says the post is necessarily irrelevant...

[xorxes]

Who says the post is necessarily irrelevant...

Did anyone say that?

[Balki Bartokomous]

But seriously, Foxy, what happened to me being your strongest Town read? What changed?

Here is the sequence:

(1) Foxy generally avoids Balki all game and says that Balki is his strongest Town read.

(2) Balki finds that odd and scum-indicative and says that Town!Foxy should be more skeptical of Balki.

(3) Balki votes to lynch Scum.

(4) Foxy starts scum reading Balki.

Can you fill in this chronology with whatever it was that completely transformed your read of me? It must be something that is crazy alignment indicative for your read to have done such a 180.

Objection, leading the the witness.

Overruled.

That's not leading. Genuinely curious what you have to say here. DId your #1 Town Read on me change? If so, why? I provided the chronology so you could see why this seems so weird to me, and you'd be able to respond to that.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki, the general answer to all your questions is that I was creating information on a day that, in its first 40+ hours had generated not a lot of material. It was Day 3, with 15 players, and we'd only had about 20 votes total with under four hours to go. This is on top of a Day 2 that also didn't generate a lot of information in the form of votes. That is abysmal if you want to be able to come back and find any useful information later in the game. (And I do think it's true that when the day is static, scum are happy.) You want stuff to analyze? You have to to move the board. All of my scumreads were weak scumreads, arrived at at least partially by POE from having a lot of town reads, so rather than try to push the best weak idea I had at the moment, I wanted to shake things up any see if any better ideas came out of it.

Okay, so I get that people move votes for other reasons than voting their conscience. But, twice you called out people voting for BobMcBob, known scum, and asked them specifically to move their votes or to consider who else they might want to vote for. A general answer of "Rx test!: doesn't speak to that at all; it waives the question away. Can you answer the specifics?

I'm not going to claim I am responsible for lynching Bob when I pushed his wagon 47 minutes out. But if I'm scum, why would I have done that? He was at 2 votes, he had been bouncing between 2-3; Jamiet and rdr had previously voted Bob but weren't on him at that time, so if I was scum, I was taking a huge risk that pushing him to 3 could easily turn into 5, not even counting the obvious general appetite to lynch lurkers. Do you think I'm stupid scum?

Okay, this is disingenuous. I do not think you are "stupid scum." But it would be a classic scum move to cast a vote for a scum partner at a time when you don't think they will be lynched, and then try to find some reason to move your vote when the vote shifts and it looks like your scum buddy is actually going to hang.

Scum are dying to get a vote in on their partner when they think their partner is just out of reach of actually ending the day in the lead. Scum do this all the time. So it does not strike me as sincere that you would describe this scenario as "stupid scum" I would describe it as "same old scum."

#sameoldscum