MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Foxcastle]

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

I have discussed the differences in his games.

Still not caught up, but Worcej does do this thing as town that's very angry about getting miskilled. He did that some D2, which gave me pause, but I want to go back to M1010 and look, but I just don't think he ever came up for the kill there for a real comparison if he also can play that card as scum.

One thing that does not fit Worcej's town-on-the-ropes meta that I recall (again, need to check) is him peacing out like this, though. In the past, he's been super willing to stick around and berate people for being wrong.

[bo_sox48]

FWIW, not pertaining to the above comment: I was perfectly content to see Bunny flip - I think his lynch will be much more informative than just getting Bismark, who was now replaced, or some lurker that wasn't around (SarahK notably). The lack of incredible movement will shine a light on certain people as the game progresses IMO

What was special about SarahK that you pointed her out as “some lurker that wasn’t around” over any of the others? Flash, HB, HR, Yoyo?

Seems I am a common scum read.

Come at me people, you will be disappointed.

What gave you cause to be so defensive before anyone voted for you?

And before you say I am OMGUS'ing, here is a little nugget for you meta fans.

Fox did this exact same thing (cherry picked a case to frame me) in M37 and was scum and caught for it.

Have you ever pursued this read? What have you found?

I also think Fox is town because of his tendency to tunnel atm.

You flipped away from scumreading Fox. Why?

##vote Hamilton Brian

I don't like flash's wagon and I don't like Chaqa's

I am pissed I didn't have network access or my cell phone until now.

In obvious new, that was a great role to lynch without having used his power. So I am incredibly happy with that result and once again realize my reading ability sucks.

Sounds like a possible outcome from numerous players if Chaqa told them to do it in the N1 scum chat.

This makes no sense

Yes it does - if Chaqa literally told his team to bus him because his RL situation is rough, I would think they would have no concerns doing it to build town cred

I don’t think this is a genuine sequence at all. First you distance yourself from the EOD wagons (which can be justified in some instances, but why here?), then you quickly go from being really bad at reading people to absolutely certain that Chaqa’s teammates bussed him - which you, as Chaqa’s hypothetical teammate, notably did not do.

Why were you so scatterbrained around this EOD, going from very confident in yourself to not confident at all to completely certain that your far fetched theory is fact?

Would 3 scum vote for Hamilton D2? I would like to find out.

##VOTE worcej

I am not scum, but not too worried about letting you mislynch me at this point with 2 scums down.

Besides this being something you really don’t need to say as town, why wouldn’t you be concerned about being killed? Nobody else is buying your reads, and if you die they die with you. How is town supposed to win the game without you?

Likewise, how did you progress from this whatever attitude about being killed to hammering yourself because you’re so frustrated and the universe is so aligned against you?

She may not have been the first scum on the bus. There is still the potential of Vecna and yourself if we are determining ‘first’

So you think that it is possible that with 30 minutes to go, and the top 4 wagons town, 2 of Vecna, summit, and Durga decided it would be a good time to bus a mafia PR? If so, why did ghug sit out the bus?

It may be what happened - you don't know any different unless you're scum yourself.

ghug sat out to probably distance himself. All we can do is hypothesis what happened.

This is an extremely hedgy “I don’t want to answer this but I also can’t ignore the question” kind of answer. What’s the confident worcej answer?

Answer these questions please, worcej.

[bo_sox48]

Bob, damo, emc, Fox, Seth, and Prado have not voted. Can yall vote so we can coalesce on some wagons early? In the event we wagon on our PR it would be helpful to give them some time to weasel their way out of it as opposed to forcing them to claim simply to survive.

Bringing this back for emc, Prado, seth, and Fox.

It's currently Worcej (4) versus Bob (3), with an unvote, a vanity wagon, and Bob hanging out on a perch from which he can save himself. I do appreciate this concern, but it also seems out of character for you to have and to highlight in this circumstance.

It's very out of character, because most setups don't have a mechanic where a PR being forced out of the weeds could lose us the game.

[Foxcastle]

Bringing this back for emc, Prado, seth, and Fox.

It's currently Worcej (4) versus Bob (3), with an unvote, a vanity wagon, and Bob hanging out on a perch from which he can save himself. I do appreciate this concern, but it also seems out of character for you to have and to highlight in this circumstance.

It's very out of character, because most setups don't have a mechanic where a PR being forced out of the weeds could lose us the game.

I thought there was a determination that the 3P's catch-PRs-to-win mechanic had been nixed by PR deaths?

Anyway, I'm close enough to caught up to ##VOTE WORCEJ

[Vecna]

Do you think the claim of VT was a careless mistake born of frustration or calculated?

its either scum or town that wants to demonstrate their townyness by taking away the possibility of fakeclaiming and outing a pr in the process. Quite a clever play really, since even as a town pr you could use it to hide and divert suspicion if you do survive.

Which do you think Vecna?

I slightly lean town, but I do not hold any real level of confidence in that read

[Durga]

Agh but worcej actually tried hard as 3p and he's generally worthless as town and there's no one other than me trying to make a case against his day kill. I just feel off. It would be super easy for scum to just lurk here.

[bo_sox48]

Bo, I had asked the question before last night and didn't get a response so I had repeated it. I think your explanation makes no sense and is just untrue in general and is bizarre since ghug was literally lying scum when we were interacting so I have no idea what you're getting at. And you can't get much more info from any shit posting. The fact that you're implying you can, but still didn't bother trying to get that info, irks me. Not to mention you're now saying that it's valuable info, but then yelled at ghug for shit posting for two pages. If you can figure out someone's role because of that convo why would you a) not do it yourself b) yell at ghug for something that sounds like a net positive if you're town trying to figure out who is scum

My mind keeps going back and forth on bo. But why would town bo make up some silly thing about being genuine with ghug I'm like this with so many people. Sounds like an excuse

The being scared thing was because I felt like you've ignored me at times when you replied to others. I just feel like you're avoiding interacting with me too much.

I believe I mentioned at the beginning of the day or perhaps even the end of the night that I was leaving for awhile. I haven't read further back than four pages from where I returned, which I also made clear.

I don't understand what you're missing. Shitposting does not preclude one from showing their true colors, but it does preclude me from wanting to read through it. You and ghug having a conversation is not something I want to read through and parse over with a fine toothed comb for clues. I have things I prefer to do and not do with my time, and reading deeply into what you and ghug say to each other is one of them. I carry the same view about brainbomb - you can easily determine where he's coming from if you read what he says and comb through it closely, but I don't want to do that. At the same time, I'll happily note that if someone else decides that they want to know brainbomb's role, they should probably do a deep dive into his random monologues, ramblings, and, as I say to you, vulnerable moments where he is actually putting his true self on the page regardless of what role he flipped. Same goes for you and ghug. Someone else can do it if they're really urgent to figure you both out. I don't care to; I'll figure it out in time.

You're obviously very annoyed with me for making this personal, but you're not like you are with ghug with "so many people" at all. That's a blatant lie and we both know it.

[bo_sox48]

It's currently Worcej (4) versus Bob (3), with an unvote, a vanity wagon, and Bob hanging out on a perch from which he can save himself. I do appreciate this concern, but it also seems out of character for you to have and to highlight in this circumstance.

It's very out of character, because most setups don't have a mechanic where a PR being forced out of the weeds could lose us the game.

I thought there was a determination that the 3P's catch-PRs-to-win mechanic had been nixed by PR deaths?

Welcome to my third party reads, Fox. Tag, you're it.

[Vecna]

I agree with you on theory, but how do you know the top 4 wagons are town?

yeah wait what

Whatever happened to this? Did Durga and Rdr catch it and then do nothing with it?

Bozo had a proper explanation that made sense

[Durga]

K ghug used the why do you always treat me like this thing to get me to back off him. And now you're using the same kinda thing to make me back off you. And it actually works and it's really annoying and I would like it if you could just play the game without being so dramatic and unnecessary. But I'm no longer engaging in this discussion

[rdrivera2005]

Agh but worcej actually tried hard as 3p and he's generally worthless as town and there's no one other than me trying to make a case against his day kill. I just feel off. It would be super easy for scum to just lurk here.

Exactly why I told this will be an useless day unless Worcej is sum, which I am not fully convinced. I tried to at least have another wagon, but Worcej attitude just gave scum an easy way to lay low (unless he is scum, of course).
The thing that sucks is that if he is scum, this is also probably the best way to play as he knows he will be killed at some point and it denies town any new info.

[bo_sox48]

K ghug used the why do you always treat me like this thing to get me to back off him. And now you're using the same kinda thing to make me back off you. And it actually works and it's really annoying and I would like it if you could just play the game without being so dramatic and unnecessary. But I'm no longer engaging in this discussion

Works for me. Are you going to vote within your prior scumreads that I remind you do not include me? If you're going to stick on me, whose place am I taking?

[Durga]

K ghug used the why do you always treat me like this thing to get me to back off him. And now you're using the same kinda thing to make me back off you. And it actually works and it's really annoying and I would like it if you could just play the game without being so dramatic and unnecessary. But I'm no longer engaging in this discussion

Works for me. Are you going to vote within your prior scumreads that I remind you do not include me? If you're going to stick on me, whose place am I taking?

If you're gonna comment read the whole thread first

[Vecna]

K ghug used the why do you always treat me like this thing to get me to back off him. And now you're using the same kinda thing to make me back off you. And it actually works and it's really annoying and I would like it if you could just play the game without being so dramatic and unnecessary. But I'm no longer engaging in this discussion

Ghug sure is a sneaky bastard like that, its almost like he gathered a little notebook over the years with exact instructions on how to pocket people to not be too suspicious about him.

[Durga]

Since work is slow this afternoon I'm gonna try to skim through d1/2 to see what I can get

[bo_sox48]

Apparently he should learn damo

[Foxcastle]

-Fox only coming out to play hard when he's being criticized

I already explained this. There's a difference between defending/justifying/explaining yourself and theorizing about scum teams.

[Vecna]

Time for some seth-digging

I win when the mafia and third party are defeated.

Do you?

very small notch: This is typically the type of shit that Ghug does love to do with his teammates. Why single out little seth of all people.

[rdrivera2005]

Apparently he should learn damo

+1

[Durga]

Apparently he should learn damo

Lmao are you upset he didn't