M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

I think food may be scum. But that obviously wasn't a scumslip.

Very suspicious you suddenly believe in scumslips.

Good catch. Squiggs said he didn’t believe in town and scumslips, right?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I think the vig is mafia aligned. From a meta perspective it makes sense since the max total players from setup was 23 and we started with 26.

From a meta perspective it makes no sense whatsoever. Why would mafia shoot a town player who was getting wagoned?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I feel better about Dip with his push on me, for the record.

Hey i felt good about dip before it was cool

[Squigs44]

I think the vig is mafia aligned. From a meta perspective it makes sense since the max total players from setup was 23 and we started with 26.

Why would scum vig shoot damo?

So they can claim later.

But wouldn't it be more beneficial to let town drive a MK on damo plus use their shot to hunt PRs or take out a safe townie? Especially since they have a second shot which they would also have to disguise as townie for a claim to work

[DemonRHK]

So there was something that happened D1 that prickled my nethers and not in a good way.

While I was pushing various wagons to try and get any kind of movement going, I landed on flum. At that time, Flav was on flum, and I felt like Flav immediately started to panic and try to explain a vote no one asked for explanation on.

Real "WHY ARE YOU VOTING HERE THIS IS THE ONLY REASON I AM HERE" vibes. Like getting caught on your scumbuddy vibes. Which now makes sense if it was a scum being pushed up to a TvT

[Yoyoyozo]

I think the vig is mafia aligned. From a meta perspective it makes sense since the max total players from setup was 23 and we started with 26.

From a meta perspective it makes no sense whatsoever. Why would mafia shoot a town player who was getting wagoned?

So they can claim vig later. If they shot someone who was clearly town, we’d all know it was a mafia vig. But them shooting Damo in these circumstances doesn’t make sense to me vibe wise. A fake cleared mafia signs worth way more to mafia than a random shot a PR.

[Vecna]

While Balki is just one vote on me, I'm taking my time to lay this out because Balki has a long history of railroading me. He scumreads me almost every time, he has never actually townread me, and he has been wrong every fucking time except one. So it's disappointing to see that he has learned nothing and is back for yet another round of "scumread Fox no matter what."

NB: I've snipped several quotes from previous games to keep this focused.

M34 - Balki is sure I'm scum (hooker, to be specific). I survive to the end of game to win as town: https://mafia.peterlund.se/m34/game_status.html

Foxy is Hooker. He is. I can feel it in my bones.

I’d order the lynch priority like this: Foxy, Flum, Vashta, rdrivera. Obviously cop scans can change that.

mM36 - Balki reads me as town conditional on another player's alignment.

I wouldn't lynch Foxcastle today, because the read is entirely derivative of RagingIke's alignment. But if it turns out that RagingIke is Town, then Flxcastle is probably scum.

See the whole thing here: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=36

M1006 - Balki scumreads me. And I'm scum! But it's the exact same thing he says about me every time.

I mean...what did he even just say? Like, nothing. Nothing!

But he wrote a whole bunch of words, and he wrote about people who voted for other people so...so what?

EFFORT TO BLEND!

More Nothingness! Empty Void!

Kind of like a big, long, empty FOXHOLE!

Foxcastle is not content to be seen as doing nothing. He is putting in effort to be seen as doing something that looks vaguely like scum hunting. He's just not doing a great job at manufacturing a real process.

M46 Balki is scum, and he scum reads me. I flip town. But it's the same shit.

##vote Foxcastle

That's where my head is right now. Though, I am not at all confident. And I have not ISOed Fox, and I need to do that. But here are the impressions in my mind:

Fox has been sitting back, cracking jokes all the time, super chill. He has sprinkled in comments. He's been around. But he has not been taking stands. Most of his reads have been about gathering information or enforcing policies. He has not taken a stand on anything likely to get pushback. He has not made any scumread on an experienced player who would put him in the spotlight.

He's playing to avoid confrontation.

I made a similar read on him for similar reasons the last time we played together, and I was right at that time. I feel like he may be scum again here.

M54 Balki scum reads me. I flip town.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=54

BALKI AND I HAVE PLAYED 5 GAMES TOGETHER. HE HAS NEVER TOWN READ ME. HE HAS CORRECTLY SCUMREAD ME ONE TIME.

HE HAS CONSISTENTLY USED THE SAME ARGUMENTS AGAINST ME THAT HE'S USING HERE. AND HE HAS BEEN WRONG EVERY TIME EXCEPT ONCE.

what was the alignment split? why arent you suspicious it comes from a scum balki conforming to easy patterns?

relatively often when people bite back with "you were wrong this often in the past" without considering alignment of the current push its defensive scum failing the TMI clause.

[Yoyoyozo]

Mafia vig*

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I think the vig is mafia aligned. From a meta perspective it makes sense since the max total players from setup was 23 and we started with 26.

From a meta perspective it makes no sense whatsoever. Why would mafia shoot a town player who was getting wagoned?

So they can claim vig later. If they shot someone who was clearly town, we’d all know it was a mafia vig. But them shooting Damo in these circumstances doesn’t make sense to me vibe wise. A fake cleared mafia signs worth way more to mafia than a random shot a PR.

That makes little to no sense. Anyways, as I was posting about before I noticed damo had been vigged, PRs revealing is a bad idea.

[aarodactyl]

5/24

Can you show your work here? I have no idea how the math checks out

That would be approximately the chance of a random person being scum.

Yeah but the question was damo is town and Y is scum. If damo was using the knowledge he was town, then it becomes 5/23. I find pushing damo on minor math details can be helpful for telling his alignment but the vig got in the way of that unfortunately

[Balki Bartokomous]

Mafia vig*

I don’t think we need to analyze this unless and until somebody claims this shot and explains why they took it, right?

[Yoyoyozo]

I want to hear from Fox, Balki, ghug, and Ezio

[sweetandcool]

I’m going to ##vote ghug.

No, I’m not.

##unvote

@ghug, please solve the game.

##vote Sweet?

##END

[Foxcastle]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

If I put the tinfoil hat on, the WOOO post was faked to get Damo killed. But no, realistically I have to start over now.

[Balki Bartokomous]

The big thing we just learned is that Day 1 was very Low Hanging Town Fruit vs Low Hanging Town Fruit.

[sweetandcool]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

I think food may be scum. But that obviously wasn't a scumslip.

Very suspicious you suddenly believe in scumslips.

@Sweet, do you sincerely think this was “very suspicious”? I don’t think you do.

I wanted to see an explanation.

Yes, it was cognitive dissonance that was concerning.

[DemonRHK]

D&W
Balki
flum and/or flav

There's half the game solved

[Balki Bartokomous]

D&W
Balki
flum and/or flav

There's half the game solved

Demon just townslipped because he doesn’t know how many wolves there are!

[Foxcastle]

I think the vig is mafia aligned. From a meta perspective it makes sense since the max total players from setup was 23 and we started with 26.

Why would they shoot Damo if he was likely to be miskilled anyway? I don't understand your point about max players?

[Vecna]

Up to page 93. I think Flav is town and Vecna is possibly scum.

did you already feel this way during d1? when/where did you start feeling this way?