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sulit wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:44 pm

Has Chaqa played FM before

I believe so. I believe the only noobs are me, Kalel and Kitsune.

Got any thoughts to share sunlit?

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:46 pm

Got any thoughts to share sunlit?

What are your reads at this stage, sulit?

FWIW I really don’t like having two wagons. I’m very happy where my vote is. But I don’t want Thanos getting deciding vote again.

KalelChase wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:33 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:29 pm

##vote Esp

Meta-game question... is it just proper etiquette to unvote when switching vote, or is there a game mechanic reason you did this? Easier to track for some reason?

Not important. You can switch votes without going through unvote. I did it that time as I no longer wanted my vote on you but was unsure where to go.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:39 pm

Sorry friends.

At least I proved I'm the Vig, huh?

Yep and now your just a clear VT

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:48 pm

FWIW I really don’t like having two wagons. I’m very happy where my vote is. But I don’t want Thanos getting deciding vote again.

This is incorrect, we need multiple wagons. One wagon doesn’t provide us with any additional information to analyze later. We just need to make sure the actual lunch wagon is ahead enough.

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:46 pm

Got any thoughts to share sunlit?

I’m typing those


I apologize for my activity not being much better than ND’s, I overestimated how much time I’d have to play

sulit wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:44 pm

Has Chaqa played FM before

Yes. Why?

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:48 pm

FWIW I really don’t like having two wagons. I’m very happy where my vote is. But I don’t want Thanos getting deciding vote again.

Excellent idea. We could have a false EOD 30 mins before EOD. Whoever tops that poll is our lynch for the day and everyone has to switch to make sure it goes through.

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:52 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:48 pm

FWIW I really don’t like having two wagons. I’m very happy where my vote is. But I don’t want Thanos getting deciding vote again.

This is incorrect, we need multiple wagons. One wagon doesn’t provide us with any additional information to analyze later. We just need to make sure the actual lunch wagon is ahead enough.

Thanos has no more info than town so why does it matter?

sulit wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:44 pm

Has Chaqa played FM before

Yes many times, though with very little effect.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:55 pm

sulit wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:44 pm

Has Chaqa played FM before

Yes many times, though with very little effect.

Cheeky coming from such an accomplished vig!

Okay, trying to add some value to the team I thought... why would Kitsune be sent off. So I was going through N1 Kitsune posts to see if Kitsune was on the right track. In hindsight it's easy to Town Kitsune, they actually were a fan of BB's more lucid posts.

Found two things I'll comment on.

1) Kitsune commenting on Nepthys list and their contradiction around Xorx. For the record I like Nepthy's list (with the exception of the placement of myself of course).

Kitsune wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:29 pm

Nephthys wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:33 am

Town
Brain
Xorx
Kitsune
EMC
Bunny

Townlean
Damo


Scumlean
Food
Jamie
Kalel

Scum
Espresso
Rdr

Just some from the top of my head

Hang on...

@Nepthys only please did you not just three posts previous say:

This post is limp. There is little point to it.

Xorx is my prime Thanos candidate. He seems lacking in the final sentence on all his posts that sum things up. Its like he buys the present, wraps it up then lets someone else give it to the recipient.

So why is Xorx Town now in your summary list?
**Snip

Full post here...
viewtopic.php?p=104442#p104442

And the second interesting thing I thing I found is Kitsune extracting the lucid items from BB...

Kitsune wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:04 pm

...oh that's irritating. I'd almost written up the post, and my browser just spazzed out and killed it. Let's try again.

Thanks Brainbomb for your excellent analysis and review of the late Bozo’s wagon (well most of it - I’m looking forward to reading Spotlight on Kit when it comes out soon). I appreciate not just the extra perspective it gives us on the other voters for this game, but also that you’ve taken the time to explain enough of your reasoning that I feel it’s helped me see what else we can tell from conversation patterns now that we have some concrete actions to measure them against. Hopefully this will help me in future games (yes stop laughing Ike, I know you were right) as well.

For anyone not clear on what I’m referring to, these can be found here:

BB & Espresso - https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3 ... 69#p104369
Kalel - https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3 ... 73#p104373
Nepthys - https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3 ... 78#p104378
Bunny - https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3 ... 79#p104379

While I refuse to be totally sheeped, I’m revising my read on Espresso to null at this point. He does still seem to me to be trying to puzzle this together as much as the rest of us, but you drew my attention to a few points I’d overlooked in my original analysis.

@Espresso would you care to rebut?

So instead of just posting history let me try and add some commentary from my potentially less than insightful point of view.

In the Espresso recap BB highlights the Bozo contradiction that lead to my current vote. It also shows that Espresso jumped on a wagon against their instinct just for the momentum. You be the judge of how scummy this is (and I am aware that I made this same move D1).

Kalel recap - BB is 100% off here, but you guys knew that was my opinion. I'm actually glad I'm VT in my first game... a bit less pressure and I can do less damage to my team.

Neph recap - BB likes him as best town, but Neph called a Espresso/Bozo scum team. Not scum for being wrong, but even Bunny called him out on this. IMHO Wisely, didn't want to do Bozo's scum list, but only because they thought it was too early in the game.

Bunny recap - BB like him as town. I don't know how many newbies there are so I can't calculate the chances of two newbies getting VT, but I'm as convinced that Bunny is town as I am of Kitsune, and possible Xorx.
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Perhaps my value to the team is sorting through the history of dead VTs to insure their voice lives on and informs the current state (with better hind-sight for context).

During N1 I did start a sheet to track my notes. I'm hoping during N2 we can plan for D3 while scum is busy.

Question to the team... what would be the down side to Gamora 'outing' herself at the same time as relieved to Thanos? Mafia doesn't want to help Thanos right now, and Banner could protect here. Thanks for any insight to this which would inadvertently give advice to Gamora out there somewhere.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:52 pm

sulit wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:44 pm

Has Chaqa played FM before

Yes. Why?

I’m trying to read them

@Kalel Gamorah doesn't know their identity. Only Thanos knows who Gamorah is.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:55 pm

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:52 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:48 pm

FWIW I really don’t like having two wagons. I’m very happy where my vote is. But I don’t want Thanos getting deciding vote again.

This is incorrect, we need multiple wagons. One wagon doesn’t provide us with any additional information to analyze later. We just need to make sure the actual lunch wagon is ahead enough.

Thanos has no more info than town so why does it matter?

Sorry. Whoops. Of course. Thanos knows who Gamorah is.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:55 pm

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:52 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:48 pm

FWIW I really don’t like having two wagons. I’m very happy where my vote is. But I don’t want Thanos getting deciding vote again.

This is incorrect, we need multiple wagons. One wagon doesn’t provide us with any additional information to analyze later. We just need to make sure the actual lunch wagon is ahead enough.

Thanos has no more info than town so why does it matter?

Aren’t you really saying that there’s no harm in letting Thanos determine the lynch?

Also note that BB was the one who proposed that Kit may not have been targeted by Mafia... and BB was Rocket.

This lends some credence to the idea that Rocket gave Kit 5. Aero-Rig (one shot “commute” (leave the game for a phase, see time stone for rules)) as opposed to mafia.

When Kit gets back there better be a long post. I miss her dearly.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:07 pm

@Kalel Gamorah doesn't know their identity. Only Thanos knows who Gamorah is.

Ah. Too bad Tony didn’t kill her and put her out of her misery.