M80 Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

Bunny's +1'ing everything again

Let's not distract him while he's meditating

I came to catch up. Saw how many pages you guys managed to produce. And decided to start plussing while I catch up. You guys are crazy.

[sweetandcool]

Shoot Chaqa I think.

Do we think that's a townslip from rdr?

No.

Why not?

I would say something similar to rdr, since there are two roles with a one-shot. The only difference is suicide bomb is a bit worse.

I think assuming a townslip is overanalysis.

[ghug]

No.

Why not?

I would say something similar to rdr, since there are two roles with a one-shot. The only difference is suicide bomb is a bit worse.

I think assuming a townslip is overanalysis.

Fair enough but I think you're wrong.

[President Eden]

Alright this sucks and I know everyone is gonna hate me for doing all this shit and then backing out with zero results, but I didn’t account for the Captain’s kill shot, and I think there’s >70% chance that if I double down on this play that he’s just gonna shoot me and we’re going to lose a town PR. (Albeit not the strongest one, but still.)

Yes, I am actually the Pirate Quartermaster. I retracted in the hopes that I could cause enough confusion and be scummy looking enough not to get shot or jailed by the mafia, at which point my Informant ability might actually work. I targeted [REDACTED] and I’m pretty sure the information would have been awesome, but not if I’m dead from friendly fire and can’t pass it along.

I’m sorry I made a mess of it without getting any results, but I realized I need to stop before this moderate blunder becomes a catastrophic one.

Shoutout to ghug and brainbomb for picking up what I was putting down and playing along, but I straight up miscalculated and I have to reverse course before something actually awful happens.

Sidebar, I did actually have a possible meeting EOD1 which is why I claimed, because I perceived there to be a real risk that I would be wagoned at EOD. Said meeting did not occur. I realize some of you dispute whether I was actually at risk, and that’s fine, but I believed I was so I claimed.

[brainbomb]

or we couldve like, waited til he answered and see how he actually answers the question.

that was an option too and stuff

[brainbomb]

Alright this sucks and I know everyone is gonna hate me for doing all this shit and then backing out with zero results, but I didn’t account for the Captain’s kill shot, and I think there’s >70% chance that if I double down on this play that he’s just gonna shoot me and we’re going to lose a town PR. (Albeit not the strongest one, but still.)

Yes, I am actually the Pirate Quartermaster. I retracted in the hopes that I could cause enough confusion and be scummy looking enough not to get shot or jailed by the mafia, at which point my Informant ability might actually work. I targeted [REDACTED] and I’m pretty sure the information would have been awesome, but not if I’m dead from friendly fire and can’t pass it along.

I’m sorry I made a mess of it without getting any results, but I realized I need to stop before this moderate blunder becomes a catastrophic one.

Shoutout to ghug and brainbomb for picking up what I was putting down and playing along, but I straight up miscalculated and I have to reverse course before something actually awful happens.

Sidebar, I did actually have a possible meeting EOD1 which is why I claimed, because I perceived there to be a real risk that I would be wagoned at EOD. Said meeting did not occur. I realize some of you dispute whether I was actually at risk, and that’s fine, but I believed I was so I claimed.

Id love to be a double voter if youre willing to empower me. I will use it on someone we both scumread.

[pyxxy]

Why not?

I would say something similar to rdr, since there are two roles with a one-shot. The only difference is suicide bomb is a bit worse.

I think assuming a townslip is overanalysis.

Fair enough but I think you're wrong.

I don't think it's a slip but I do townlean RDR for being mad enough to actually post a response to me

If he's scum I think he just lurks and ignores it, not giving in to my prodding, since no one else was pressuring him at all after EOD.

[President Eden]

Alright this sucks and I know everyone is gonna hate me for doing all this shit and then backing out with zero results, but I didn’t account for the Captain’s kill shot, and I think there’s >70% chance that if I double down on this play that he’s just gonna shoot me and we’re going to lose a town PR. (Albeit not the strongest one, but still.)

Yes, I am actually the Pirate Quartermaster. I retracted in the hopes that I could cause enough confusion and be scummy looking enough not to get shot or jailed by the mafia, at which point my Informant ability might actually work. I targeted [REDACTED] and I’m pretty sure the information would have been awesome, but not if I’m dead from friendly fire and can’t pass it along.

I’m sorry I made a mess of it without getting any results, but I realized I need to stop before this moderate blunder becomes a catastrophic one.

Shoutout to ghug and brainbomb for picking up what I was putting down and playing along, but I straight up miscalculated and I have to reverse course before something actually awful happens.

Sidebar, I did actually have a possible meeting EOD1 which is why I claimed, because I perceived there to be a real risk that I would be wagoned at EOD. Said meeting did not occur. I realize some of you dispute whether I was actually at risk, and that’s fine, but I believed I was so I claimed.

Id love to be a double voter if youre willing to empower me. I will use it on someone we both scumread.

That’s a good idea. I’ll announce my action at EON

[rdrivera2005]

Suicide Bomb would not be used lightly I imagine as it kills the user as well (hence the name).

Yep, I am bit embarrassed. I somehow thought Mafia had a protective.

[President Eden]

And yes this is a HaRdClAiM nEvEr ReTrAcT. ghug is right that the distinction is silly in any case, but I can see that all I’m doing is painting a big ole bullseye on my ass for the Captain (⏸) so I’m just gonna quit while I’m only moderately behind. No more shenanigans related to my role

[Jamiet99uk]

Suicide Bomb would not be used lightly I imagine as it kills the user as well (hence the name).

Yep, I am bit embarrassed. I somehow thought Mafia had a protective.

They have a load of jailors but if the bomber is in jail I assume it can't kill / explode.

[pyxxy]

let's update

my rough town list v2:
- bona
- brainbomb
- BunnyGo
- damo666 (Eden's recommendation)
- Eden
- ghug
- pyxxy (that's me!)
- rdrivera2005
- sweetandcool (ghug's recommendation)
- worcej

reminder that odds are I'm almost certainly misclearing 1 person

that means 3 scum in:
- Dousing (stock is crashing in real time)
- Foxcastle (on the up and up, imo)
- Haze with a Z
- Jamiet99uk (been constructive tn)
- Kakarroto
- Xcution

or I'm lost af :shrug:

[sweetandcool]

Alright this sucks and I know everyone is gonna hate me for doing all this shit and then backing out with zero results, but I didn’t account for the Captain’s kill shot, and I think there’s >70% chance that if I double down on this play that he’s just gonna shoot me and we’re going to lose a town PR. (Albeit not the strongest one, but still.)

Yes, I am actually the Pirate Quartermaster. I retracted in the hopes that I could cause enough confusion and be scummy looking enough not to get shot or jailed by the mafia, at which point my Informant ability might actually work. I targeted [REDACTED] and I’m pretty sure the information would have been awesome, but not if I’m dead from friendly fire and can’t pass it along.

I’m sorry I made a mess of it without getting any results, but I realized I need to stop before this moderate blunder becomes a catastrophic one.

Shoutout to ghug and brainbomb for picking up what I was putting down and playing along, but I straight up miscalculated and I have to reverse course before something actually awful happens.

Sidebar, I did actually have a possible meeting EOD1 which is why I claimed, because I perceived there to be a real risk that I would be wagoned at EOD. Said meeting did not occur. I realize some of you dispute whether I was actually at risk, and that’s fine, but I believed I was so I claimed.

Id love to be a double voter if youre willing to empower me. I will use it on someone we both scumread.

Does this mean you are retracting your counterclaim?

[Foxcastle]

Analysis:

Foxcastle talked about BunnyGo's silent +1 gambit a lot.

To begin with, it aggravated him. He voted BunnyGo (I would go on to do the same a bit later).

As time went on, he softened his feelings and said he didn't want to vote for BunnyGo after all as he assumed Bunny would show up. He didn't actually move his vote for a long time, however.

Here's something interesting looking at the above posts, and factoring in the timing:

- On page 51, Foxcastle said "I don't want to vote BunnyGo anymore" (because he assumed Bunny would show up).
- On page 58, over 3 hours later, he asked BunnyGo "when are you going to reveal yourself" ? (At that time, there were just two votes on BunnyGo).
- On page 74, over 14 hours later, Foxcastle moved his vote to Bonatogether. (At that time, BunnyGo was tied for the lead with Bona, and Foxcastle vote put Bona into a 5-3 lead over Bunny).

This would be somewhat suspicious if BunnyGo was scum, perhaps. What do people think?

Foxcastle, Bunny, any comment?

*For a given value of "caused".

You talk about the timing, but kind of obfuscate that pages 51 and 58 were barely halfway through D1, i.e., Tuesday evening, i.e., still not a lot of substantive material to talk about, and not a lot of substantive material to base a vote on.

Other things that were happening at this time included Sweet and X whaling on each other about ontological epistemology, and Kak and Bona and Pyxxy having bouncing off each other about low-posting and activity levels.

So when you highlight that it was 3 hours later or 14 hours later, etc, I would counter your implication that there were better things to be talking about or voting on with the fact that there was not actually anything better to be doing. It was wandering around in the darkness, like D1 always is.

I voted Bunny early because his stunt irritated me (and my thoughts and feelings about that evolved), but you can go back and check that I'm not a hasty voter, and I also don't bounce my vote around all that much (compared to some people, anyway). Leaving my vote on Bunny was more a byproduct of indecision on where to move it to.

This response doesn't feel right for two reasons:

First of all, you said "I don't want to vote for Bunny anymore" yet left your vote there for 14 hours, but you moved your vote off him when he was tied for the lead, just after you re-appeared for the first time in quite a long time, and caught up. Kinda like you logged back into the game, saw your Bunny was in danger, and finally decided to move.

Second of all your statement that "I'm not a hasty voter, and I also don't bounce my vote around all that much" doesn't align with the fact that at 03:39 you unvoted, and then remained on "unvote" for the following three hours before moving to Eden with 00:38 left on the timer.

So why didn't you unvote BunnyGo when you said you didn't want to vote for him anymore, yet you were happy to "unvote" for a significant period, later on?

You are not reading the order of events properly.

1. I went to bed with about 19 hours to go in the day. The Worcej-Bunny PR thing had not happened yet. I was voting Bunny, although I had said I didn't want to be doing that anymore because it was clear he was keeping up with the thread and that this was a Bunny stunt.

2. I woke up and started catching up with about 9.5 hours left in the day.

3. With 8:35 to go, I am caught up and have assessed that the Worcej-Bunny PR thing probably points to town-Bunny. Previous to this, I did not think that Bunny was anything, because Bunny mostly hadn't even been here. So it was a combination of moving on from Bunny (both because the "pressure" vote in reaction to his stunt was tired and because I thought he was more likely town than scum) and getting serious about voting. So I vote Bona.

Before you pounce on it, I think that D1 voting is not really serious until the 8 or so hours before EOD. This aligns nicely with my waking hours before a 5 PM deadline, so this is just a personal perspective on how things line up in my life so that I don't have to go to bed the night before thinking about the game.

4. With 3:39 to go, I unvote. Unlike when I said I didn't want to vote Bunny 23-some hours before EOD, I think sitting on a vote with less than 4 hours to go is unadvisable. You could say that I don't care enough to unvote 23 hours out, but I do care enough to unvote 4 hours out.

5. I then spent about 2 hours working (I had to write a eulogy for someone I didn't know, which was weird and difficult) and came back to the game, caught up, decided Eden was a good choice until he claimed, and then decided I'd rather see Dousing go than Bozo, and then voted for Bozo because I would rather see Bozo go than have a tie.

In short, you're reading too much into my decision to unvote versus let my vote sit. I let my vote sit on Bunny when there was little to not urgency because it was not near EOD, and I unvoted when there was urgency near EOD.

[brainbomb]

The other part of the statement that made no sense was saying "theres two vigs in the game and one of them should do us a favor and shoot eden"

and then says
"I cant beleive the mafia council allowed a scum vig"

why would scum be shooting Eden on towns behalf?

from any way you look at it he seemed to think there was a vig for both teams but perceptually it makes no sense. perhaps just a language usage barrier there, not sure

[brainbomb]

unless he was being tongue in cheek but I didnt detect that the post was meant to be funny

[Foxcastle]

Also, Jamie, I'm not sure what your theory is that Bunny and I are scum together. Like, walk through the theory that Bunny and I are scum together, and then walk through the theory that I'm town, and which one makes more sense?

[brainbomb]

to counter ghugs assessment it can be the opposite and be a scumslip instead, where hes talking about courses of action that no sane scumteam would ever do anyway

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, Jamie, I'm not sure what your theory is that Bunny and I are scum together. Like, walk through the theory that Bunny and I are scum together, and then walk through the theory that I'm town, and which one makes more sense?

The theory was that it went something like this:

1. You voted your team-mate Bunny because his strategy of being silent and dropping +1's did annoy you;

2. He wasn't a serious wagon when you said "I don't want to vote Bunny anymore";

3. You went to sleep.

4. You got up, checked back in, and saw that your pal Bunny now was a lead wagon, so you realised you'd better move your vote to his main counter-wagon at that time, to reduce the risk of him being flipped.

5. I questioned you about that and you said "Leaving my vote on Bunny was because of indecision" - but that appears inconsistent with your use of "unvote" later on when you wanted to move your vote.

You're defending yourself pretty well now, but I'm just explaining that the above was my thought process.

[Jamiet99uk]

to counter ghugs assessment it can be the opposite and be a scumslip instead, where hes talking about courses of action that no sane scumteam would ever do anyway

As Vince McMahon would say, "too many pronouns, pal". I assume the "he" in all of this is Rdriverira?