MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[foodcoats]

how on earth am i tunneling a ghug-bozo team?

All I stated was that Worcej was never ever scum together with Ghug, and that if you were looking for pairings that were attacking brainbomb, the combi of Ghug and Bozo were doing it way more subtly like scum would actually attempt.

Maybe it's not tunnelling, maybe it's just "all you stated" in a very literal sense.

[foodcoats]

it appears all access paths to the bot are now dead

Works for me...

[Vecna]

PLAYER LIST

BunnyGo
miminena
DiplomacyandWarfare
damo666
kingofthepirates
Red Neurax
Brainbomb
JustAGuyNamedWill
N.D.
Foodcoats
Worcej
bozo
Vecna
DemonRHK
SpiritoftheRadio
Ghug

its so freaky that of this list, literally the top 6 are all dead and the bottom 10 still live.

I think ive broken the scum NK algorithm.

What type of psychos would do such a thing?

[Vecna]

it appears all access paths to the bot are now dead

Works for me...

weird.

even through my vpn it does not load

[foodcoats]

it appears all access paths to the bot are now dead

Works for me...

weird.

even through my vpn it does not load

Did you put in https manually in front?

[Vecna]

Works for me...

weird.

even through my vpn it does not load

Did you put in https manually in front?

yup

[brainbomb]

PLAYER LIST

BunnyGo
miminena
DiplomacyandWarfare
damo666
kingofthepirates
Red Neurax
Brainbomb
JustAGuyNamedWill
N.D.
Foodcoats
Worcej
bozo
Vecna
DemonRHK
SpiritoftheRadio
Ghug

its so freaky that of this list, literally the top 6 are all dead and the bottom 10 still live.

I think ive broken the scum NK algorithm.

What type of psychos would do such a thing?

Um…

[brainbomb]

I can see it now, mafia holsters kill and bb gets eliminated tomorrow to follow the list

[Vecna]

yeah youre next buddy

if u survive the night its basically a scumclaim

[brainbomb]

From the Maf QT

Worcej: Ever since I was a child, I tried to be the best
So what happened?
My family and friends all said I was blessed
So what happened?

It was supposed to be all so exciting
To be teaching of Christ 'cross the sea
But I allowed my faith to be shaken
Oh, what's the matter with me?
I've always longed to help the needy
To do the things I never dared
This was the time for me to step up
So then why was I so scared?


Ghug: what are you doing?

Worcej: i belieeeve
That post 11 is probably true
I belieeeeve that post 22, 17, 37 and 62 are also truee

And I belieeve

Ghug: Jesus did not sail to south America. Gonna stop you right there

[DemonRHK]

Note to any possible existing Witch:

If you managed to get your order in on me, I advise you not to affect my order. I am more value to you alive than dead by moving it so scum can kill me.

[bozotheclown]

this feels like the much more likely ghugs teammate tbh

the hidden chainsaw

worcej is probably just wrong.

Do you not think it is possible that brainbomb was bussing D&W?

I think brainbomb is pretty solidly town.

And this again is the bozo scumtell, dealing in possibilities to scumread people instead of likelyhoods.

Are you saying I shouldn't question his votes because it is only possible he was bussing, not likely?

[DemonRHK]

Short of witch shenanigans, bb and Vecna are town, full stop. I feel ghug is likely town as well.

food or bozo are my current preferred for tomorrow.

[bozotheclown]

Welp, sorry for the tie. I assumed ghug would shift to Demon.

My logic is that I scumread brain and Will and neither Spirit nor Vecna are really playing the game, so voting onto that wagon would have been a mistake. Conversely I think ND and worcej have made compelling arguments about VCA, and though Demon ranks lower than brain or Will for me, I aligned with my town reads.

I think people are falling into some really unfortunate rationale about scumtells. One example is bozo’s read of Demon’s error in logic which I think is easily attributable to forgetfulness, a human trait. Another is Vecna tunnelling a ghug-bozo team.

I think we need to kill based on the VCA of D1 and D2 regarding Dip, with scumtells/post behaviour as a secondary factor that supports the evidence. I don’t think I’ve missed the case on ghug, I think there IS NO CASE on ghug. Obviously some of you are misguided town and you need to realize we have info that allows us to make informed decisions, whereas I see people playing like it is D1. We made this mistake killing mimi and we should not repeat it.

DemonRHK claimed a motivation for his vote that was not possible, that did not seem like something that could be forgotten.

[foodcoats]

Welp, sorry for the tie. I assumed ghug would shift to Demon.

My logic is that I scumread brain and Will and neither Spirit nor Vecna are really playing the game, so voting onto that wagon would have been a mistake. Conversely I think ND and worcej have made compelling arguments about VCA, and though Demon ranks lower than brain or Will for me, I aligned with my town reads.

I think people are falling into some really unfortunate rationale about scumtells. One example is bozo’s read of Demon’s error in logic which I think is easily attributable to forgetfulness, a human trait. Another is Vecna tunnelling a ghug-bozo team.

I think we need to kill based on the VCA of D1 and D2 regarding Dip, with scumtells/post behaviour as a secondary factor that supports the evidence. I don’t think I’ve missed the case on ghug, I think there IS NO CASE on ghug. Obviously some of you are misguided town and you need to realize we have info that allows us to make informed decisions, whereas I see people playing like it is D1. We made this mistake killing mimi and we should not repeat it.

DemonRHK claimed a motivation for his vote that was not possible, that did not seem like something that could be forgotten.

Hmm, I’ll have to re-read if I live…

[foodcoats]

Short of witch shenanigans, bb and Vecna are town, full stop. I feel ghug is likely town as well.

food or bozo are my current preferred for tomorrow.

If you think bozo and I are scum, and me presumably because I tied the vote, why did I not just vote for ghug?

[foodcoats]

I may not be around at EON, so here are my current thoughts.

Townreads:
ghug - very likely town for claiming Priest. No reason for him to claim this at night as scum. As town ghug likes to fakeclaim to sow confusion among scum. He enjoys confusing scum in general. In addition, he may actually be the priest and be claiming it in order to create scum WIFOM about whether he would self-save or whether he is just fakeclaiming. Even though I disagree with the strategy, it is absolutely one he employs. Also, I don't think he would claim this as 3P because it would be extremely risky, which is why he is my only true "town read" right now.

Not-mafia reads:
Vecna - very likely not-mafia for having a violent reaction to Dip's logical fallacies about reads and voting him out that way. Stands in distinction to all the other D2 votes for Dip, which were either meta-based (brain and Just) or relatively casual (everyone else).

worcej - very likely not-mafia due to DiplomacyandWarfare jumping from Red to worcej in the final 3 minutes of D1, suggesting Dip was okay with a Red or worcej flip.

SpiritoftheRadio - very likely not-mafia for not understanding how the NK works here and how it would interact with the bloodhound.

Null reads:
ND - slight possibility he is scum due to the fact that Dip spent a good amount of effort scumreading him, and I would expect Dip, based on his past play, to try to do this with at least one of his team mates. On the other hand ND has advocated an extremely rational and solid plan for town (which is sadly going ignored) which seems townie. I'll call it null on balance even though I have a townlean here as I get the impression ND wants town to win.

bozotheclown - seems to be trying to solve to me, but I have no definitive evidence, so this is just a lean-not-mafia which has no real basis and therefore is null.

DemonRHK - no real evidence points to Demon being scum at this point in my opinion. His D1 voting was pretty random so it is not fair to say he jumped from Dip to worcej in a weird way. Contrast with Will, where the D1 voting really does not make sense. Demon's votes are just random. Null. (Also note I have not re-read bozo's argument at this point.)

Scumreads:
JustAGuyNamedWill - most likely scum for doing his "I know so-and-so's scumtell" thing and completely nailing D&W D1, possibly "hellbussing" his teammate which he has done in the past to great effect (Mafia 86 where he bussed his teammate sweetandcool D1). Note the D1 VCA where Just jumps onto worcej's wagon despite townreading him during the day, deflating Dip's wagon in the final minutes despite spending so much breath on Dip D1, and then jumping back onto Dip when that wagon was no longer in contention. Dip also spent a fair bit of breath on engaging with Will and I think Dip's meta is that he engages his teammates. (As a counter example I try to avoid my team mates when scum.)

brainbomb - possibly scum. Seems to be out of sorts and is known to dislike playing as scum. Also voted Dip in a desultory way despite dredging up past games and calling back to the Dip kill for credit. It just doesn't feel like brain truly even wanted to solve Dip there. Possibly this is an unfair assessment and the tells are due to OGI. Would definitely prefer to vote Will over brain for this reason.

[ghug]

You still think brain is scum after his spat with Will, food?

[Vecna]

Do you not think it is possible that brainbomb was bussing D&W?

I think brainbomb is pretty solidly town.

And this again is the bozo scumtell, dealing in possibilities to scumread people instead of likelyhoods.

Are you saying I shouldn't question his votes because it is only possible he was bussing, not likely?

The way you phrase the question is just suspicious to me. Ofcourse its possible.

And with my meta-case last game i discovered a very strong correlation that you have as scum to talk about all the things that could have happened to justify a scumread, without ever making an argument whether its likely.

[ghug]

You still think brain is scum after his spat with Will, food?

Worcej* not Will