WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[Hamilton Brian]

If you talk about these, they were on page 59 and page 60:

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Dip nada

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Dip nada

Flav highly unlikely to be paired w Bunny

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Dip nada

Flav highly unlikely to be paired w Bunny

ghug as per Flav

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Dip nada

Flav highly unlikely to be paired w Bunny

ghug as per Flav

Ham nothing particularly conclusive

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Dip nada

Flav highly unlikely to be paired w Bunny

ghug as per Flav

Ham nothing particularly conclusive

Will nada

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Dip nada

Flav highly unlikely to be paired w Bunny

ghug as per Flav

Ham nothing particularly conclusive

Will nada

kotp nada

Gonna post my thoughts on people's vote one by one.....

Bunny D1 poss paired w yoyo

Chaqa probably not paired w Bunny

Dip nada

Flav* highly unlikely to be paired w Bunny

ghug* as per Flav

Ham nothing particularly conclusive

Will nada

kotp nada

yoyo* not a lot

* current Bunny voters

At a loss for any other method and having no particular scumreads (beyond weak vibes) I'm going to vote a Bunny voter.

Now if Bunny is the bet as per Dip's suggestion, yoyo can't be so no need to avoid voting him, so yoyo ghug or Flav?

Now if Bunny is the bet as per Dip's suggestion, yoyo can't be so no need to avoid voting him, so yoyo ghug or Flav?

I don't want to vote ghug (at this stage anyway, I've yet to see any scumminess in him and I usually can if he is) and yoyo looks unlikely today so

##vote Flav

Pushing

the

envelope

as

a

test

this could be seen as multiple things, but I would like to hear from others before I add my thoughts.



Also, this is what he tells ghug on page 61 after he questions damo about it:

Usually you'd post all of your conclusions simultaneously with no explanation. Why the change?

2 reasons

1. laziness
2. a test (a la pushing the envelope) - I leave it to the reader...

In my cynical brain now I am thinking it’s a post bet; which if gambler makes that bet, then gambler is not Damo but king. But only if gambler can’t bet on self.

[kingofthepirates]

In my cynical brain now I am thinking it’s a post bet; which if gambler makes that bet, then gambler is not Damo but king. But only if gambler can’t bet on self.

from the doc:
Each night must place 2 bets. Can choose to make a bet public. Public bets will be announced at the beginning of day.

NOTE: Gambler may send 1 bet to GM before game start. Gambler is allowed to target themself. Each night phase they must place 2 bets.

[kingofthepirates]

gambler can self target.

[Hamilton Brian]

What if everyone self_voted?

[Hamilton Brian]

What if everyone self_voted?

And let’s champion on there thing?

[Hamilton Brian]

Something to think about anyway.

[Hamilton Brian]

Still working on that number.

[Hamilton Brian]

Wineries were good today.

So weigh the self-voting thing out. Pros and cons list.

[kingofthepirates]

What if everyone self_voted?

And let’s champion on there thing?

I don’t quite understand this, is there any difference between everyone self vote and no-kill if we’re trying to keep everyone alive? Or is the idea to kill someone through champ vote?

Also consider drugs might play a role, and people might not want to play along for whatever reason (ex. Mafia might not want to self vote and I’m sheeping yoyo the whole way through).

[Yoyoyozo]

I’m back! I’m on my way home from getting myself some new running shoes and seeing the Alien movie. Looks like there isn’t much to catch up on, but I’ll reply if there’s anything addressed or relevant to me.

[Yoyoyozo]

ok then, lets make this easier.

Both of you, in your opinion, who do you guess is gambler here?

Maybe King? I really thought it was Damo. But now I am really uncertain.

What made you uncertain? Did anything KOTP do make it seem like he was more likely to be the gambler?

[Hamilton Brian]

ok then, lets make this easier.

Both of you, in your opinion, who do you guess is gambler here?

Maybe King? I really thought it was Damo. But now I am really uncertain.

What made you uncertain? Did anything KOTP do make it seem like he was more likely to be the gambler?

Being on my phone and having limited time to go back and read makes it hard for anything substantive. It’s just that off-feeling.

[Hamilton Brian]

What if everyone self_voted?

And let’s champion on there thing?

I don’t quite understand this, is there any difference between everyone self vote and no-kill if we’re trying to keep everyone alive? Or is the idea to kill someone through champ vote?

Also consider drugs might play a role, and people might not want to play along for whatever reason (ex. Mafia might not want to self vote and I’m sheeping yoyo the whole way through).

Is that what we’re trying to do? Keep everyone alive? Hard to do when everyone is voting me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Really it’s the towniest thing to do. Need the document to clarify but …

[Yoyoyozo]

And let’s champion on there thing?

I don’t quite understand this, is there any difference between everyone self vote and no-kill if we’re trying to keep everyone alive? Or is the idea to kill someone through champ vote?

Also consider drugs might play a role, and people might not want to play along for whatever reason (ex. Mafia might not want to self vote and I’m sheeping yoyo the whole way through).

Is that what we’re trying to do? Keep everyone alive? Hard to do when everyone is voting me.

Yeah the self vote thing doesn’t take into account steriods, and mafia can change their vote last minute so even without steriods they would be able to cause a miskill

[Hamilton Brian]

Christ, I am working my balls off here trying to ensure we get this right.

King and Damo

Tracking the King and Damo actions, beginning with King. Also looking at vote progressions to determine mafianess.

D1: 1st interaction with Damo, asks for reasoning on demo’s Will Jamie scum pair.

N1: reacts to Jamie’s post about people moving on Haze which included Damo, yoyo, bunny. King suggest they think 1 of Will or Dip is scum. Editorial: I don’t think mafia usually suggest their partner is scum, or maybe new mafia don’t, so damo, chaqa, flag, bunny, brian are not included. Inconclusive, but use it to follow.

D2: engages with damo about “PR stab kill” and King says it’s just an arbitrary kill but they disagree. EDITORIAL potential distancing?

D2: WIFOM/issue response to damo; very inconclusive

D2: responds to my request of Will to explain “Vote Damo” with a “hope so, but seems to be nothing.” EDITORIAL dismissing a negative view of Damo.

D2: Damo…I will miss EOD. King: I too will miss EOD.

D2: wants to vote from a pool of 5 (damo, yoyo, bunny, will, dip).

D3: Damo: where is everyone. King: Here now.

D3: Damo is one of my least towny players; top posters might be scim, which included damo

D3: shares their thoughts about Flavi’s defence.

D3: shaded Brian (Brian has tapered off=don’t townread him as much) and pats Kak on the back for an impressive catchup.

N3: reflects back on Jamie’s reads which included damo

N3: to damo, “I don’t like that you’re flip flopping all over the place” after damo says Kak is trying to save Flav.

D4: Chaqa: Mac team is King and damo; King,”Where’d this come from?”

D4: Damo I think is the obv vote (steroids); damo is a voting option

D4: I think Damo is a good vote, damo decided to bus D1, and here talks about “I want to ISO flag later,” EDITORIAL: but there’s no receipts. King is content to say they’ll do the work; never presenting.

N5: the mute claim I cited earlier; not more needs to be said. EDITORIAL: It’s not a valid claim in my opinion.


I feel like this game has seen a lot of King being led; the time differences make it hard to coordinate in scum chat. Drop an early D1 vote on chaqa. Offer an seemingly probing question here or there. The nonvote whichever day it was, which I reported on around N3, I think.

Putting this back in there for review.

[Hamilton Brian]

Damo and KotP

Here we try to work through Damo’s responses to King only. Next ISO will be Damo KotP.

D1: response to King’s query of the will jamie pair.

D2: responds to King, “It’s all wifom”

D2: King: “Pardon?” Damo: “It’s a life thing…” EDITORIAL: Innocuous but something about it.

D3: Yoyo announces a vote for King, and damo responds, “possible.”

D3: King RIPS ghug; damp replies “WIFOM, Fear kill, “ and other possibilities. Then Damo launches into: yoyo is scum, yoyo is town but didn’t mafia didn’t believe him, or left him to be a bet recipient later.

D3: explains why to end. We all need to reread this response carefully: “My reasoning for ending is twofold

i) the way the day went it is reasonably likely they bet on a Bunnykill. If we kill Will, Flav or Chaqa (I suggest Will) there is a reasonably high chance they are the gambler with immunity and we've wasted 48 hours (other than ID'ing the gambler ofc). If they are Drug Dealer all is good, a quick scum death. If they flip town then the remaining pair are probably our scumpair

ii) to scupper scumbets on high post counts which I consider quite likely

I acknowledge it shuts down discussion but there's not exactly a lot of that is there?

There being no mega downside my end vote remains.”

D3: challenges King on Flav’s defence but then upends.

And this one

[Hamilton Brian]

I don’t quite understand this, is there any difference between everyone self vote and no-kill if we’re trying to keep everyone alive? Or is the idea to kill someone through champ vote?

Also consider drugs might play a role, and people might not want to play along for whatever reason (ex. Mafia might not want to self vote and I’m sheeping yoyo the whole way through).

Is that what we’re trying to do? Keep everyone alive? Hard to do when everyone is voting me.

Yeah the self vote thing doesn’t take into account steriods, and mafia can change their vote last minute so even without steriods they would be able to cause a miskill

Better idea?

[Hamilton Brian]

Damo and KotP

Interactions with the KotP ISO

That goddamned D1 reads list that is the earmark of mafia, no matter how much Dip belittled it.

D1: Damos says of KotP: innocuous, weak town at best. EDITORIAL: offers cover, not strong not weak so just sits like a lump in the middle. Meanwhile, wonders why Bunny has 4 votes at the time, “kind of gets” Haze’s wagon, Flav vote is a policy vote, Chaqa not a target, Dip null, fluff about ghug and Brian, townJamie, AND bad vibes about yoyo.

D1: response to ghug about his reads, something about KotP but I didn’t open to read more. Just ghug and damo going at it.

D2: same says won’t vote a group…Bunny, Brian, yoyo, everyone else is game. Then pleads out loud, “Is KotP scum?”

D2: KotP shows up in demo’s pairings post; the prefabricated one. Everyone, go and read it all over again. EDITORIAL: That’s not a reads list, that’s a fucking blanket.

D3: Improbable pairs also include KotP and Will.

D3: My current scum reads…and koto is 4th from the s.t continuum. EDITORIAL: another safe cover read

D3: First time that KotP makes a hard scum read; If the pair are in Dip, Ham, KotP,) we’ve lost. EDITORIAL: No you haven’t you little shit. You just outed your partner because you had to, but this might be the post you made that pinks you.

D3: KotP looks most likely Flav’s scum partner. EDITORIAL: What changed? If you’re that certain, why aren’t you voting King?

D3: Here we see damo ready to bus King: “Well, I'm not sure I got anywhere really.

My analysis suggests Flav's only partner is kotp so choices are:

DK Flav and kill kotp 2m when Flav flips scum

DK Flav and vote Ham[?] 2m

DK someone else but who? Ham? Chaqa? kotp? (not voting Dip today).

With the current vote count I think my best option is to stay where I am but happy to move to any of the single vote wagons if they pick up.

Should be around for EOD.”

D3: gets yoyo’s attention to decide on the vote being on Brian or Flave. “Can’t see KotP being the wagon today.”

EDITORIAL: So we go from KotP being a likely partner to “not being a wagon today” in a matter of hours. Convenient obfuscation; keep spreading different opinions around then land on the one of mafia choice.

D3: with 19 minutes to go, leans into a FlavKotP pair

D4: “OK that's a shock.

I hardclaim vt.

I did not get steroids otherwise I'd have disclosed. I assumed Dip got steroids from himself as Drug Dealer or his partner if Gambler. Hence I thought the possible scumpairs were DipChaqa DipKak Dipkotp (I dismissed Ham and Flav as too theatrical with Dip).

Now, however Dip has flipped VT.

There is only one solution: Champ put a second vote on Flav different to their public vote.

Therefore Flav is not champ.

Now given both Dip, champ and I voted Flav I think the obvious thing to do today is to continue to vote Flav. I suspect his partner is kotp.

##vote Flav”

EDITORIAL: Yes, that’s right. I was voting for King outwardly but put a vote on Flavius as Champion.

D4: Chaqa: “So the team is KotP and Damo” Damo,” Not me anyway.” Then bunches Chaqa’s bristles with a PR hunting accusation.

D4: gets at me on the “I’m not mafia, and if you’re not mafia, what about Flav and KotP.” EDITORIAL: I really wish I could take a mulligan on this. I really screwed it for town and this hard stance on Flav was one of those things.

Reading the Damo King/KotP isos together, there's just enough to read as suspicious. Damo has this nice way of saying maybe, maybe, maybe, NOPE KotP isn't scum. Town read enough to be believable and making statemtns like that just lulled me into inactivity when I should have been looking with scrutiny and objectivity.

[Yoyoyozo]

Is that what we’re trying to do? Keep everyone alive? Hard to do when everyone is voting me.

Yeah the self vote thing doesn’t take into account steriods, and mafia can change their vote last minute so even without steriods they would be able to cause a miskill

Better idea?

I think it’d be unsportsmanlike to try to convince mafia to resign the game. ##vote end