M1010 Mini-Mafia

[xorxes]

My reads:

Scum: Jamiet and Xorxes

Town: Damo, Bozo, Brain and Worcej

Don't know, one of them is the third scum: Sarah and Fox

Examining your reads more in detail.

Bozo, worcej, Sarah I kind of share, so I won't question.
Fox I townlean, but hesitation is reasonable.
xorxes is pure OMGUS as far as I can tell.
damo seems pure OMGUR (Oh My God U Rock), but maybe there's more? Can you sell us the damo townread? I can def see damo as town.

Jamie and brain are the ones that seem more controversial to me because they are opposite from mine.

Your case on Jamie seems NAI at best. Yes, he could have been scum that switched his vote to set up a mislynch for the next day, but equally well he could be town that switched his vote because he changed his mind about who was more scummy. So you could use that as supporting evidence maybe, but I find it hard to believe that that is the whole reason you have for scumreading Jamie. Has his tone been weird? His level of participation? His general reactions to anything?

And how can you townread brain? Tell me something he has done that screams town. I don't see it.

[xorxes]

brainbomb was the fifth vote for Foxcastle, do you think he was just piling on a town wagon?

Yes. I think if he was town he would have wanted to see more action. He's not the type to settle on a scumread and be satisfied with it for six hours.

When I asked this I meant to be asking why you did not think brainbomb could be bussing Foxcastle, but you did not cover that possibility with your answer.

Oh, I think I thought you were asking about the vote for bo.

Yes, I suppose he could have been bussing Fox if Fox is scum, I don't see why not.

[SarahK24]

##Vote Jamiet99uk
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Also why do u want to end the day so fast....

Alright I'll tell everybody why, ur scared of getting lynched so u thought u would end it early so no one else would be able to vote u
Ha gotcha

[rdrivera2005]

He was, but when damo said it was scummy, he said "Bingo. I find really odd only Damo seems to notice this."

So first he reacted one way and then in a different way. My own reaction was thinking it scummy as well, but I see how he could have seen it merely as noise. But he changed his reaction when responding to damo. That's what seemed odd to me.

You are using the same tactics you used last game to pick comments from D1 to throw shadow at me. I understand as it worked last time.

I see. Anything I point out about you is throwing shadow, but anything you point out about someone else is scumhunting, am I right?

No, I point about your behavior. Lynching Bunny D1, aligning with Jamiet now. Voting BB on his claim without considering his motivation.
You pick a D1 quote of me, that wasn't even really totally serious and try to get others to see it as scummy, what I call throwing shadow.

[rdrivera2005]

You are using the same tactics you used last game to pick comments from D1 to throw shadow at me. I understand as it worked last time.

I see. Anything I point out about you is throwing shadow, but anything you point out about someone else is scumhunting, am I right?

xorxes doesnt say horseshit like this as town

Bingo...

[rdrivera2005]

from what I can tell youd rather I lynch myself like vecna and bo. so then you can fly in on your high horse about how pathetic it is townies give up.

Brain, please don't lose your mind. I need you to lynch Jamiet with me. And we will also need Bozo and Damo to avoid scum piling on you.

[rdrivera2005]

My reads:

Scum: Jamiet and Xorxes

Town: Damo, Bozo, Brain and Worcej

Don't know, one of them is the third scum: Sarah and Fox

Examining your reads more in detail.

Bozo, worcej, Sarah I kind of share, so I won't question.
Fox I townlean, but hesitation is reasonable.
xorxes is pure OMGUS as far as I can tell.
damo seems pure OMGUR (Oh My God U Rock), but maybe there's more? Can you sell us the damo townread? I can def see damo as town.

Jamie and brain are the ones that seem more controversial to me because they are opposite from mine.

Your case on Jamie seems NAI at best. Yes, he could have been scum that switched his vote to set up a mislynch for the next day, but equally well he could be town that switched his vote because he changed his mind about who was more scummy. So you could use that as supporting evidence maybe, but I find it hard to believe that that is the whole reason you have for scumreading Jamie. Has his tone been weird? His level of participation? His general reactions to anything?

And how can you townread brain? Tell me something he has done that screams town. I don't see it.

Because I don't see any reason for scum Brain to stir the pot like he is doing, scum are winning by far.

Jamiet is also using his normal fight with Brain to push his lynch. I see no doubt on Jamiet, no second thoughts as any town should have, he have an agenda and if you were town you should be seeing this.

[rdrivera2005]

@Fox - Where are you? You vanished, I want to hear what you think of this? What are your reads on Brain, Jamiet and Xorxes?

[xorxes]

You are using the same tactics you used last game to pick comments from D1 to throw shadow at me. I understand as it worked last time.

I see. Anything I point out about you is throwing shadow, but anything you point out about someone else is scumhunting, am I right?

No, I point about your behavior. Lynching Bunny D1, aligning with Jamiet now. Voting BB on his claim without considering his motivation.
You pick a D1 quote of me, that wasn't even really totally serious and try to get others to see it as scummy, what I call throwing shadow.

The quote was something you said. I pointed it out like I point out a million other things. bozo made a bigger deal out of it than what it was, but that's bozo, he needs to get to the bottom of everything. Do you think I should not have pointed out that I found it odd?

I don't think that question from brainbomb by itself was a big deal either. I would never scumread him based on just that. My scumread of him has been building up because I have not seen him do what he does as town. My townread of Jamie has also been building up because I have not seen him do anything that I found unusual for him.

It is fine to find one action and start your read from there, but you can't reduce your whole read of someone to one action without considering what they have been doing all game. And you don't do that when you are town, you do look at tone, general behaviour, reactions, interactions. You don't just pick one thing and look at nothing else.

[bozotheclown]

I see. Anything I point out about you is throwing shadow, but anything you point out about someone else is scumhunting, am I right?

No, I point about your behavior. Lynching Bunny D1, aligning with Jamiet now. Voting BB on his claim without considering his motivation.
You pick a D1 quote of me, that wasn't even really totally serious and try to get others to see it as scummy, what I call throwing shadow.

The quote was something you said. I pointed it out like I point out a million other things. bozo made a bigger deal out of it than what it was, but that's bozo, he needs to get to the bottom of everything. Do you think I should not have pointed out that I found it odd?

I don't think that question from brainbomb by itself was a big deal either. I would never scumread him based on just that. My scumread of him has been building up because I have not seen him do what he does as town. My townread of Jamie has also been building up because I have not seen him do anything that I found unusual for him.

It is fine to find one action and start your read from there, but you can't reduce your whole read of someone to one action without considering what they have been doing all game. And you don't do that when you are town, you do look at tone, general behaviour, reactions, interactions. You don't just pick one thing and look at nothing else.

Based on that I do not know how you are town reading worcej.

[xorxes]

Because I don't see any reason for scum Brain to stir the pot like he is doing, scum are winning by far.

You don't think brain was going to be the lynch today, from reading night messages?

Jamiet is also using his normal fight with Brain to push his lynch. I see no doubt on Jamiet, no second thoughts as any town should have, he have an agenda and if you were town you should be seeing this.

I see brain trying to provoke Jamie at least as much. Do you disagree?

It's hard to disentangle agenda from their usual antagonism with them. My scumread of brain has very little to do with what Jamie is doing though.

Leaving their interactions aside. Who has been townier in interactions with everyone else?

[xorxes]

@Fox - Where are you? You vanished, I want to hear what you think of this? What are your reads on Brain, Jamiet and Xorxes?

And on rivera.

And everyone else as well.

[bozotheclown]

It also sheds quite a lot of info on me, Jamie, rivera and bozo.

Why did you endorse Foxcastle's call for BunnyGo to shoot bo_sox instead of advocating for BunnyGo to withhold his shot?

Because I wanted to see him flip so we had a more informed D2, and I was confident he was scum.

@Bunny:

My suggestions: bo_sox > worcej > brain > Sarah

This post from the beginning of N1 indicates that you wanted BunnyGo to shoot, regardless of whether he shot your confident scum read. I still find it hard to believe you would not recommend he not shoot at all. If BunnyGo would have shot someone (assuming he did not shoot kgray), it would be mylo today.

[rdrivera2005]

I see. Anything I point out about you is throwing shadow, but anything you point out about someone else is scumhunting, am I right?

No, I point about your behavior. Lynching Bunny D1, aligning with Jamiet now. Voting BB on his claim without considering his motivation.
You pick a D1 quote of me, that wasn't even really totally serious and try to get others to see it as scummy, what I call throwing shadow.

The quote was something you said. I pointed it out like I point out a million other things. bozo made a bigger deal out of it than what it was, but that's bozo, he needs to get to the bottom of everything. Do you think I should not have pointed out that I found it odd?

I don't think that question from brainbomb by itself was a big deal either. I would never scumread him based on just that. My scumread of him has been building up because I have not seen him do what he does as town. My townread of Jamie has also been building up because I have not seen him do anything that I found unusual for him.

It is fine to find one action and start your read from there, but you can't reduce your whole read of someone to one action without considering what they have been doing all game. And you don't do that when you are town, you do look at tone, general behaviour, reactions, interactions. You don't just pick one thing and look at nothing else.

I pointed three reasons to scum read you, it's hardly picking one thing.

Point me something you see that is towny on Jamiet? Not doing anything unusual doesn't seem a good reason to town read him.

[xorxes]

No, I point about your behavior. Lynching Bunny D1, aligning with Jamiet now. Voting BB on his claim without considering his motivation.
You pick a D1 quote of me, that wasn't even really totally serious and try to get others to see it as scummy, what I call throwing shadow.

The quote was something you said. I pointed it out like I point out a million other things. bozo made a bigger deal out of it than what it was, but that's bozo, he needs to get to the bottom of everything. Do you think I should not have pointed out that I found it odd?

I don't think that question from brainbomb by itself was a big deal either. I would never scumread him based on just that. My scumread of him has been building up because I have not seen him do what he does as town. My townread of Jamie has also been building up because I have not seen him do anything that I found unusual for him.

It is fine to find one action and start your read from there, but you can't reduce your whole read of someone to one action without considering what they have been doing all game. And you don't do that when you are town, you do look at tone, general behaviour, reactions, interactions. You don't just pick one thing and look at nothing else.

Based on that I do not know how you are town reading worcej.

Based on what? I did a read of his iso and it all seemed natural to me. I may be wrong, I can't say I have a solid townread of him, but there were things like his defense of Sarah that I thought would only come from town.

[rdrivera2005]

No, I point about your behavior. Lynching Bunny D1, aligning with Jamiet now. Voting BB on his claim without considering his motivation.
You pick a D1 quote of me, that wasn't even really totally serious and try to get others to see it as scummy, what I call throwing shadow.

The quote was something you said. I pointed it out like I point out a million other things. bozo made a bigger deal out of it than what it was, but that's bozo, he needs to get to the bottom of everything. Do you think I should not have pointed out that I found it odd?

I don't think that question from brainbomb by itself was a big deal either. I would never scumread him based on just that. My scumread of him has been building up because I have not seen him do what he does as town. My townread of Jamie has also been building up because I have not seen him do anything that I found unusual for him.

It is fine to find one action and start your read from there, but you can't reduce your whole read of someone to one action without considering what they have been doing all game. And you don't do that when you are town, you do look at tone, general behaviour, reactions, interactions. You don't just pick one thing and look at nothing else.

Based on that I do not know how you are town reading worcej.

Can we let Worcej to sort tomorrow?

[xorxes]

Why did you endorse Foxcastle's call for BunnyGo to shoot bo_sox instead of advocating for BunnyGo to withhold his shot?

Because I wanted to see him flip so we had a more informed D2, and I was confident he was scum.

@Bunny:

My suggestions: bo_sox > worcej > brain > Sarah

This post from the beginning of N1 indicates that you wanted BunnyGo to shoot, regardless of whether he shot your confident scum read. I still find it hard to believe you would not recommend he not shoot at all. If BunnyGo would have shot someone (assuming he did not shoot kgray), it would be mylo today.

When I posted that it had not crossed my mind that he had a choice whether to shoot or not. I checked it when I saw your post comparing the benefits of not shooting.

It would depend on who he would have shot and who we would have lynched, but yes, we might have been in mylo today if all went wrong.

[rdrivera2005]

Because I don't see any reason for scum Brain to stir the pot like he is doing, scum are winning by far.

You don't think brain was going to be the lynch today, from reading night messages?

Jamiet is also using his normal fight with Brain to push his lynch. I see no doubt on Jamiet, no second thoughts as any town should have, he have an agenda and if you were town you should be seeing this.

I see brain trying to provoke Jamie at least as much. Do you disagree?

It's hard to disentangle agenda from their usual antagonism with them. My scumread of brain has very little to do with what Jamie is doing though.

Leaving their interactions aside. Who has been townier in interactions with everyone else?

I don't think Brain was a sure lynch today. Even with the claim and his back and forth there are people who townread him. Do you think scum will do this to expose the last PR, that isn't a really powerful one? Tracker is even weaker then the Watcher last game

[xorxes]

The quote was something you said. I pointed it out like I point out a million other things. bozo made a bigger deal out of it than what it was, but that's bozo, he needs to get to the bottom of everything. Do you think I should not have pointed out that I found it odd?

I don't think that question from brainbomb by itself was a big deal either. I would never scumread him based on just that. My scumread of him has been building up because I have not seen him do what he does as town. My townread of Jamie has also been building up because I have not seen him do anything that I found unusual for him.

It is fine to find one action and start your read from there, but you can't reduce your whole read of someone to one action without considering what they have been doing all game. And you don't do that when you are town, you do look at tone, general behaviour, reactions, interactions. You don't just pick one thing and look at nothing else.

Based on that I do not know how you are town reading worcej.

Can we let Worcej to sort tomorrow?

If brainbomb doesn't recant we have to lynch him or worcej today, don't we?

[brainbomb]

What a shock.
I fight to survive im scum
if you give up youre scum
if you try youre scum
if you get angry youre scum
if you seem disinterested youre scum