M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

Note to self:

Jamie townlean
Bona townlean
Worcej null await participation
brain vt
Chaqa townlean
Maniac null
TFB null
Ghug null - another day or two and he'll be obvious
Bozo - strangely disengaged, maybe wouldn't be so if scum??
celaph - unsure but would be a reasonable daykill
rdr - carnival vt
pyxxy - TOWN #9the flipper thing)
BLamp - townlean
PEden - Town
Demon - fishy
Sabi - town

Why is brainbomb saying that damo is ignoring me claiming VT when he says I'm town right here???

he doesnt mark you as vt. he marks two other people who havent claimed to be vt as vt but lists you as just town

OK that's fair. I misread

[brainbomb]

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

[damo666]

##vote celaph

##end

it's inevitable can we save 24 hours please?

denied, I specifically set myself up at work to make EOD tomorrow, you fuckers aren’t ruining that for me AND making me arrange something for Friday too

OK already.

##unend

[BesharamSabi]

Done updating sheet for night 1

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk

Boatman was simping Chaqa hardcore, Chaqa congrats.

Jamiet simped for brainbomb. The love triangle grows.

There's a few observations I made about certain interactions (or lack of) between people. I don't want to reveal that because I don't want to influence it so I'm going to observe day two and see if the numbers change or not.

Interesting stuff.

Not opening the link (primarily because work computer etc) but I find it very unpractical to publicly be utilizing an interaction tool to try to find people who may or may not be scum. Is this the gist of it?

If so, this type of analysis is great when it's employed later in the game when we know a scum player, but doing it now (aka live) just allows any scum to force interactions (or lack of them) to throw you off the scent and setup miskills.

That's fair. I didn't announce this till end of day one so I can notice any artifical increases or decreases.

[BesharamSabi]

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

I thought eden was your bro?

You also wanted to kill celaph today?

Brainbomb you are confusing and so hard to read.

[BesharamSabi]

Why is bozo not being himself this game?

[damo666]

@damo

sabi claimed vt day one under minimal pressure and said just kill me then so people can actuall scum hunt

I noticed you are listing players you think are vt’s and you did not include sabi

is there any constructive reason why youd be advertising who you think is a vt?

Nope. Not PR hunting. RDR claimed it and I'm assuming it of you due to your RB claim which I assume is false (cos u ain't that stupid). I forgot the Sabi claim.

[worcej]

@eden - I can’t help you with your puzzle

@Bona - you’re in my town core team; congratulations. But you’re off target with your SIMP analysis. Firstly, where is snowy on your list? Apart from that the only thing we know is the person with the lowest SIMP value (Kak) is town. You’ve then deduced that the person with the second lowest SIMP value, Celaph, must be scum. Think you need to re-look at this.

@Sabi - you’re also I’m my town core, so much so that I’d die on that hill. I recall when I first started playing I toyed with creating a spreadsheet like yours, but I’m lazy so it never happened. I just can’t see scum faking this, and if scum!Sabi is faking this, you deserve to win. I might just sheep you this game.

@celaph voters. - I’ve re-read Celaph and still can’t see anything scummy about them. Y’all wrong.

Kak disappeared for most of d1 and celaph did not. Celaph had discussion and isn't responding to discussion about himself. He continues to not make up the shortfall. There is a difference. The raw SIMP score is not especially meaningful but in context it is useful, I believe.

Snowy was not exceptionally noteworthy wrt SIMP. All of his scores are between -5 and 5 except for his with Jamie (-7, which appears to be not engaging as much) and kak (12, who rarely posted enough to engage with anyone until the end). By this analysis, he had a level of mutual interactions similar to every other person in the game who was active except Jamie, and that is only by a little.

I think I am missing something... when did we make SIMP scores...

Wtf game did I sub into?

[BusinessLamp]

Sorry for wall posts, but though this was interesting and useful if I get miskilled.

Some thoughts

<snip>
Celaph - I won’t vote Celaph today.
Chaqa - would vote for Celaph which makes me want to kill him now. Would more than happily vote Chaqa today.
Jamie - I’d be eggstatic to vote for Jamie today and any other day.
<snip>

When Sabi asked me to expand on my Chaqa read I said...

Chaqa - would vote for Celaph which makes me want to kill him with a blunt screwdriver now. Would more than happily vote Chaqa and then do an Irish jig today.

When BusinessLamp asked me to explain my voting I said...

<snip>
27 mins to go, I have a choice between TFB, Celaph, Chaqa and Kak. I’m town reading Celaph and Chaqa’s only -ve point is he wanted Celaph dead but that’s not really alignment indicative. So I was left choosing TFB over Kak, (who I’d already said I wouldn’t vote for easily). So TFB was best of bad choices.

Few minutes to go the two lead wagons were Celaph and Kak. As I town read Celaph, Kak was the only other choice unless someone got flash wagoned.

Stop reading for a second and consider how strong my Chaqa read was.

Ok you can now all start reading again...

That is interesting. Maniac trying to buddy/pocket Celaph or Maniac-Celaph scum team? Part of me leans the latter given I think I have Celaph as a scum lean, but that's so blatant from Maniac that part of me wonders if it is the former. I lean the latter personally as I think Maniac hopes we'll write it off as Maniac being Maniac, but I am curious as to your conclusion.

As for him never mentioning me at all before lumping me in with snowy and ghug without explanation and then voting for me after saying he doesn't like any of the major wagons? Mildly odd. One thing to note is that during this time, Chaqa is the third major wagon, tied with celaph. If he voted for Chaqa, as Sabi, Jamie, and I lobbied him to do Chaqa could have been tied for the lead. Maniac's strongest target was Chaqa. He had the shot and gave no indication his read on Chaqa changed and emphasized his read on Celaph was the same, but yet he didn't take the shot. Why?

Either Maniac is insane or at a minimum 2 of the 3 of Chaqa, Maniac, and Celaph are scum imo.

This is a good post.

@Maniac: Why didn't you join the Chaqa wagon at EoD? It was a viable wagon, you were around for at least part of EoD, and you'd previously called Chaqa out as a major scumread.

The question needs to be asked..."Why are people misrepresenting my read on Chaqa?" It's a day one read that was even a scum read, more a 'he's trying to kill my town read' kinda read. But TFB says chaqa was my strongest scumread and Jamie says chaqa was my major scumread. This seems a concerted and even coordinated attempt to get me miskilled.

It's also interesting when TFB says 'Maniac is either insane or scum'. So when I flip town, TFB can shrug and say, 'Oh he must've been insane then.

Jamie's vote for me is even more suspicious. In one post he moves from 'I'm doubting my town read on Maniac' to @maniac is in my scum pool'. Then he agrees with TFB (so he can perhaps deny responsibility) and then references Eden's post about me as an excuse to vote for me. (again leaving wriggle room to deny liability for killing town!Me).

When I do flip town remember this post - respect the dead and all that.

##VoteJamie

Whilst I don't agree with BusinessLamp's analysis on me, I don't find his motives suspicious.

maniac the last post of yours responding to me is after the post of Jamie’s… you can’t use it as part of the justification.

[damo666]

is this one of those games where damo is tired of being town so he wants to see what happens if he just helps scum as much as possible

[worcej]

Not sure how I feel about the celaph wagon being a runaway.

On one hand, he’s very scummy.

On the other, it’s not super informative, but I suppose it’s better to “kill the momentum” early while there’s enough players to keep things active?

I miss snowy.

I do find it interesting the second wagon on D1 is immediately the top wagon on D2 with a firm lead. Granted, lots of time left, but that's a strong consensus to have this early.

With zero context of my own yet, what seals the 'celaph is scum' analysis?

[damo666]

Returning to the game, do we assume Brainbomb's roleblock claim is legit since nobody else has claimed it? Or could it be a ruse?

Assume it's genuine. We always suspect RB claims but I reckon 95%+ turn out legit.

I was not RBd.

Oh really?

Read on Mr Pancake

[damo666]

@Jamie

is it odd to you that damo is posting lists of who he thinks are vts in this? and hes omitting a person who actually claimed vt? do you have any reasonable explanation why he would be doing this?

It's not good play, for sure.

Shall we cut off Damo's head and see what's inside?

A vaccuum

[damo666]

is this one of those games where damo is tired of being town so he wants to see what happens if he just helps scum as much as possible

Damo townslipped

Or did he?

Yes

[damo666]

Something has just occurred to me.

I have a habit of editing the subject line of the thread (see above) for my own amusement, and sometimes also the names of the person posting, or even the timestamp of the post I'm quoting. I do this because it amuses me; it appeals to my silly sense of humour.

This behaviour infuriates Damo and he always shouts at me to stop it.

But not in this game. He hasn't reacted to it once.

Is this a scum-tell?

Nope, I hadn't noticed. I haven't really been paying much attention as you may have surmised.

Please refrain from doing it. I think it should be against the rules to doctor a quote.

[damo666]

I think the fact celaph wasnt killed by Joat indicates that the Joat doesnt beleive celaph is scum. which is interesting and obviously joat dont react to this but if there is a PR on the fence about a particular consensus read should that give us pause or do we just think the Joat is justified in saving their kill for a later time? I feel like flipping celaph via joat kill was probably a decent play here and unless celaph is the joat maybe we should prop up a viable counter wagon which can actaully make this day interesting

I propose we make the counter wagons from pyxxy, flyingboat, and one of our absentee players worcej or rdrivera

discuss
I prefer we not use today to hammer celaph

Of those 4 TFB

[damo666]

Man, all these naked votes from Damo.

Nagl.

Damo reactions to Jamiet feels scummy to me.

He's being too casual and pedestrian so far.

Am I?

[worcej]

@chaqa, @eden, @brain, @bozo: I think you all noted my difference in behavior, what do you make of celaph’s

Several games ago (somewhere in the 60s I believe) I was scum with celaph, kgray, and Macca (and maybe someone else). Celaph was performing similarly poorly early on and kgray and I had to put in some serious work delaying his death. He improved somewhat as we coached a little in the mafia chat.

Reminds me of that. I think he’s been coached

I really like this explanation from Chaqa and these type of reads in general. These are the type of meta-reads that are valuable primarily because it's from a scum-team perspective.

@Chaqa - what notable difference do you see in celaph? What was he possibly coached on?

[worcej]

Right now my vote is stuck on Chaqa. He hasn't done anything pro town since pressure was applied to him. he's just been pulling a snowy with being arrogant instead of being helpful. That's my take on this.

FWIW, that's town!Chaqa normally...

[worcej]

Miles behind. Update summary please.

Snowy died, he flipped chicken.

Brainbomb claims he was roleblocked.

Ghug and Maniac are scum.

There you go.

Explain the bold more for me.

Is Maniac scum because he doesn't post (so a continuation of last game/sign-up drama)?

What is scummy about ghug?