MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[brainbomb]

What is the difference between ghug PR play, ghug 3p play, and ghug super important scum role play?

Can you explain each one of those and what you expect those to look like

The fact that ghug didn't engage against my initial posts made me feel like he was distancing (-VT points, +PR/scum/3P votes)

His analysis, opinion sharing, and overall posting leans me to town him. (- scum points)

I also think he'd be far more engaged to try to lead kills more than he has and less time arguing other things. (-3P points).

Make enough sense to you?

I see the exact opposite on each of these points

A in the image I provided he said your plan was terrible and in that exhibit his calling your plan terrible happens around the same instance of
You voting damo instead

B his analysis by his own admission has been a shell of his usual self.

C hes following the crowd on pushes like will, mimi, and myself which is a red flag for being 3p


Additionally on at least two or three occasions when anyone has so much as mentioned 3p he has accused that person of being scum because scum are better 3p hunters. This is a tactic of eithet mafia or 3p to possibly deflect.

[bozotheclown]

I could consider worcej here

Was this in response to Vecna, and why specifically did you indicated you might vote for worcej over D&W?

this feels like the much more likely ghugs teammate tbh

the hidden chainsaw

worcej is probably just wrong.

Do you not think it is possible that brainbomb was bussing D&W?

[brainbomb]

Look, I'm just going to outright say my thoughts:
I've thought ghug was a PR since D1, but the reasoning for that also makes sense from a scum!ghug opinion. I've wanted to flip one of Will/BB for multiple days and then ghug would've climbed up my suspicion significantly if we flipped town in that group.

I felt he was not engaging with my D1 "strategy" and was trying to distance himself. His posts have been somewhat towny to me. He's doing all the right things to me, but I don't disagree with the comments/observation from BB and Vecna atm.

If our 3rd PR had died, I'd be all-in on flipping ghug right now cause then my assessment of PR would be wrong.

What a weird fucking thing to tell everyone.

And this is a preview of when ghug later claims he was onto worcej once this happened. And can claim this as part of a progression

[bozotheclown]

Alright, I'm going in a tunnel.

I forward the theory that not only is bozo mafia, but he is the goon.

Reasoning for the goon finger specifically:

If we DK a town or mafia PR D1, does that mean that it would be impossible for a witch to win by win condition 2?

Now this doesn't mean anything by itself, but working the line that he is mafia, this may have been a musing aloud with Dip in second place at 3 votes. (ND was in the lead at 4, if that make s a difference)

From there, bozo goes on a long run on sowing doubt around the dip case. He has a long meta discussion about dip with brain on 34:

M87 where he was on the Angel team, multiball game

I tried to look at it on the bot, but that was before he changed his user name, and his old name somehow confuses the bot. I think that was why he changed his user name during M88 (where he was also mafia, but subbed in).

The similarity is not really there he was super try hard which I liken to being new. Here the posts are just too unserious. Will said it best and I think Will tends to be pretty surgical

DiplomacyandWarfare's mafia games are obscured by the bot. I was in M88, but DiplomacyandWarfare subbed into a slot that was essentially mechanically caught by the cop. DiplomacyandWarfare was town in the last game I played, and I don't remember him being overly serious.

A bit of a stretch, admittedly, but this downplays the closeness at the time:

tied 4 ND to 4 Red, then dip with 3, 10mins left, get to stepping

Considering the self vote, I would say Red Neurax is the lead wagon.

After this bozo dips until EoD-4 to drop a naked vote for red. This was a hardcore pile on vote (makes it 8-3 to a building worc flash)

After this bozo vanishes until over a quarter of the way into D2. There are a flurry of posts on 55 and 56 ranging from the generic 'oopsie' post:

Sorry Red Neurax.

(Heck damo, apparently)
To some real JV level monday morning quarterbacking:

Well I was sure Red was scum after that last-second tie vote, so that's disappointing.

Considering he was a town PR, trying to tie the vote to save himself was a reasonable move. If D1 was not extended by 10 seconds, the vote would have been tied.

If you thought Red Neurax was likely scum at the point, why didn't you change your vote to try to break the tie?

Then there is THIS pile of poo-poo that looks real bad to me post dip flip:

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

Then we are back a few pages later to shade everyone over the D1 flip (Dip included), disappears again, pops back up 2 hours from EoD

Finally, at 44 minutes out, he votes will, making it Dip 5 Will 3. Dip himself, notably, is off wagon, making it a realistic 5-4. Bozo then spends the last hour hammering the Will vote trying to sell it to people. Sticks around for about 10 minutes post flip and dips.

pops back up before EoN with an analysis of voters. Again fingering Will.

Dominated most of 84 quoting and interpreting dip posts. In my current tunnel, it looks like bozo is trying to be revisionist.

The rest of D3 is more positing regarding the people and their distance to the dip votes. Admittedly, this run feels better than most of what was done to this point, even if bozo was voting me.

This hits odd:

miminena was the player from among those who never voted for D&W that I thought had the best chance of being mafia, so I suspect both remaining mafia voted for D&W D2.

This feels like shading a down townie, and trying to drive a narrative for the D2

That brings us to D4. Mainly going over the pirates kill. More Will bashing.

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While not as slam dunk as I like my tunnels to seeming be, Imma keep drink the koolaid. Bozo has been trying to make sure the sip analysis and history fits the narrative they want. I will not be changing my vote because this is the wagon I want.

Also, to the question bozo asked, brain leaving the wagon causing dip to lose steam, and Red was becoming a runaway at that point as well. I figured a new option wouldn't hurt.

I did not see any reason to suspect D&W more than anyone else D1, and I still think he was bussed. You seem to be coming from the point of view that Just is town, do you not think he could have been bussing D&W?

[worcej]

Look, I'm just going to outright say my thoughts:
I've thought ghug was a PR since D1, but the reasoning for that also makes sense from a scum!ghug opinion. I've wanted to flip one of Will/BB for multiple days and then ghug would've climbed up my suspicion significantly if we flipped town in that group.

I felt he was not engaging with my D1 "strategy" and was trying to distance himself. His posts have been somewhat towny to me. He's doing all the right things to me, but I don't disagree with the comments/observation from BB and Vecna atm.

If our 3rd PR had died, I'd be all-in on flipping ghug right now cause then my assessment of PR would be wrong.

What a weird fucking thing to tell everyone.

And this is a preview of when ghug later claims he was onto worcej once this happened. And can claim this as part of a progression

I assume you're implying that I am scum so this would be away for ghug to not claim he was not bussing when I would be flipped?

[bozotheclown]

(clipped)

Also, to the question bozo asked, brain leaving the wagon causing dip to lose steam, and Red was becoming a runaway at that point as well. I figured a new option wouldn't hurt.

##vote worcej

Ya'll should just flash wagon me instead then if you're so convinced I'm scum

##Vote worc

Are you saying you saw brainbomb change his vote to worcej before you voted for worcej 5 seconds later?

[worcej]

FINAL VOTE COUNT - DAY TWO

DiplomacyandWarfare (8) - brainbomb, Vecna, JustAGuyNamedWill, kingofthepirates, worcej, SpiritoftheRadio, ghug, BunnyGo
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) - DemonRHK, bozotheclown, DiplomacyandWarfare
ghug (2) - foodcoats, miminena
DemonRHK (1) - ND

Continue to hold for a few moments.

EOD2 w/ known alignments fwiw

And yes, I fixed the double Vecna name in the D&W name list.

[worcej]

(clipped)

Also, to the question bozo asked, brain leaving the wagon causing dip to lose steam, and Red was becoming a runaway at that point as well. I figured a new option wouldn't hurt.

##vote worcej

Ya'll should just flash wagon me instead then if you're so convinced I'm scum

##Vote worc

Are you saying you saw brainbomb change his vote to worcej before you voted for worcej 5 seconds later?

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##vote Demon

[worcej]

I'll 100% flip Demon for that reasoning catch by bozo.

[bozotheclown]

I think RHKs case on bozo makes some sense. I noticed that on several occasions Bozo has mentioned not being able to look up dip and wars past games but its been well documented on how to do that. Also realizing ive given him a free pass all game and hes barely even interacted with me.

##vote bozo

As I pointed out at the time, DiplomacyandWarfare's user name used to be Diplomacy&Warfare, and the bot does not provide his posts in isolation in the games I was looking at where he had his old name, which were all of the games where he was mafia.

I had not considered you one of the more likely bussers, but I have had concerns that you could have been trying to pocket me at times. Also, you did not answer the question I asked that Vecna didn't like.

[worcej]

I'll 100% flip Demon for that reasoning catch by bozo.

To articulate - Demon's statement implies he put time/thought into the decision. He didn't have that between when BB moved and when he voted.

Also, his vote cited my troll post to wagon me. That was sufficient enough to answer, yet he seems to have a new reason that appears to be manufactured in the face of questioning.

[DemonRHK]

I did not see any reason to suspect D&W more than anyone else D1, and I still think he was bussed. You seem to be coming from the point of view that Just is town, do you not think he could have been bussing D&W?

Could? Yes. Did? Not sold on it.

I feel you're spun or only highlighted things that shine lights on others. Selective journalism if you will. I just get a feeling, and Imma stick to it.

[bozotheclown]

I did not see any reason to suspect D&W more than anyone else D1, and I still think he was bussed. You seem to be coming from the point of view that Just is town, do you not think he could have been bussing D&W?

Could? Yes. Did? Not sold on it.

I feel you're spun or only highlighted things that shine lights on others. Selective journalism if you will. I just get a feeling, and Imma stick to it.

I know I am town, I am looking at everyone else.

[bozotheclown]

I'll 100% flip Demon for that reasoning catch by bozo.

To articulate - Demon's statement implies he put time/thought into the decision. He didn't have that between when BB moved and when he voted.

Also, his vote cited my troll post to wagon me. That was sufficient enough to answer, yet he seems to have a new reason that appears to be manufactured in the face of questioning.

I think it is unlikely DemonRHK even saw brainbomb's post before voting for worcej.

##VOTE DemonRHK

[DemonRHK]

Worc looks bad for being opportunistic here.

Ngl, D1 was a while ago. I was examining the vote patterns while I built my bozo case, and was building off of that. I'm town, but if you wanna run it up, be my guest. I won't be mad about it.

[ND]

##vote DemonRHK

[bozotheclown]

Red Neurax was ahead 7-5 over DiplomacyandWarfare when Vecna started the worcej wagon. If the mafia were bussing DiplomacyandWarfare at that point, I think they would have been concerned that a worcej wagon developing could end up resulting in DiplomacyandWarfare DK, not knowing what Red Neurax voters would do. brainbomb and DemonRHK were the next 2 votes for worcej, both switching from DiplomacyandWarfare, and their votes were 5 seconds apart. Then DiplomacyandWarfare voted for worcej, quickly followed by Just, who also swiched from DiplomacyandWarfare. Meanwhile, no one except DiplomacyandWarfare voting for Red Neurax switched to worcej, so either the town voting for Red Neurax had stronger scum reads than the town voting for DiplomacyandWarfare, or DiplomacyandWarfare was being bussed.

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

Just moving back to DiplomacyandWarfare when the vote was 7-5-1 also does not look good, and he has been inconsistent in his reason for doing it. He said he was town reading worcej and Red Neurax, and he was scum reading DiplomacyandWarfare, but yet he said he preferred the DiplomacyandWarfare wagon only "a teensy bit".

[brainbomb]

I feel better about ghug being scum than demon.

##vote ghug

[ghug]

It can be frustrating at times neck m being a player that's hard to yeah, and if you're town I'm sorry, but that's how it's gotta be.

Can someone call ghug's family and make sure he didn't stroke out here? lol

It's too sunny in Mexico and the drinks are too cheap.

"It can be frustrating at times being a player who's hard to read" I think.

[worcej]

Worc looks bad for being opportunistic here.

Ngl, D1 was a while ago. I was examining the vote patterns while I built my bozo case, and was building off of that. I'm town, but if you wanna run it up, be my guest. I won't be mad about it.

Fair point if you flip town, no arguments here. I do think you made up that reasoning when answering bozo though, and that’s scummy AF