MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME

[dargorygel]

Vote Count Day 5.2
BozotheClown (5) flash2015, worcej, BismarckAlive, Squigs44, rdrivera2005

Not voted: bozotheclown, damo666

3 of 4 end votes
Bozotheclown is presently set to be lynched.

[worcej]

There is no role block available, so the math pans out.

[worcej]

Did I miss rdivera’s vote?

[worcej]

Yes I did lol...

[flash2015]

Come on Squiggs. End it! You know you want to.

[dargorygel]

Vote Count Day 5.2 (end votes listed)
BozotheClown (5) flash2015, worcej, BismarckAlive, Squigs44, rdrivera2005

Not voted: bozotheclown, damo666

3 of 4 end votes (flash2015, BismarckAlive,worcej)
Bozotheclown is presently set to be lynched.
Long, long time until the EoD

[flash2015]

Tracker really needs to declare before the end of this night. If he hasn't caught scum, hopefully he has at least two town clears.

[flash2015]

Tracker really needs to declare before the end of this night. If he hasn't caught scum, hopefully he has at least two town clears.

Of course, right on 5pm.

[flash2015]

Come on rdr/Squigs, put the mods out of their misery!

[Squigs44]

Sorry, on mobile at work, so on and off. I don't see any reason not to end it, but I also don't see any benefit to end it other than saving time. Would rather not make a rash decision on mobile and then think of something once I get home and regret it. Will probably end tonight in around 3 hours if it hasn't ended yet, and I don't think of a good reason to wait.

[worcej]

Sorry, on mobile at work, so on and off. I don't see any reason not to end it, but I also don't see any benefit to end it other than saving time. Would rather not make a rash decision on mobile and then think of something once I get home and regret it. Will probably end tonight in around 3 hours if it hasn't ended yet, and I don't think of a good reason to wait.

That's fair - I am trying to find a good reason why to not end it but ultimately it just circles back to Vecna throwing the game (via lying about his target and ability to hit them) as the only way bozo is innocent.

[bozotheclown]

I am not sure what happened, but my guess is that peter still thought Vecna was scum and saved me because he thought Vecna was going to NK me to make it look like he was JOAT. Of course Vecna really was the JOAT, but peter did not believe him.

I think flash is very likely to be the last scum.

##VOTE flash2015

[bozotheclown]

If Bozo is really the SK as it seems we are in a really good position.

##vote Bozo

I am not sure we should end without allowing him at least to defend himself.

There is no real defense to make. If he is innocent, Vecna threw the game and we’ll know it.

Based on order initiative, peter could never save anyone other than himself if he was targeted by SK/Mafia

You are incorrect about peter not being able to save me.

[Squigs44]

I reread the rules and I'm pretty sure Peter couldn't have saved you. There's an easy way to find out though:

#CallGM: If Doctor is NKd in step 4, will his save work in step 5?

If Peter couldn't have saved Bozo I'm ready to end this. Even if he could have saved him, I'll probably still vote end. I don't see any reason to not end.

[bozotheclown]

If you lynch me today, town is guaranteed to lose unless the SK hits the last scum tonight.

[bozotheclown]

I reread the rules and I'm pretty sure Peter couldn't have saved you. There's an easy way to find out though:

#CallGM: If Doctor is NKd in step 4, will his save work in step 5?

If Peter couldn't have saved Bozo I'm ready to end this. Even if he could have saved him, I'll probably still vote end. I don't see any reason to not end.

That would make the RB useless if the mafia could kill the doc while he was self saving without roleblocking him.

peter did not save himself, and he did not save Vecna, who do you think he saved? He did not believe Vecna was the JOAT, so he would not have believed Vecna's claim that Bismarck is the tracker, especially with Bismarck denying it.

[Squigs44]

Follow up question:

#CallGM: If Doc saves himself, does it work?

[Squigs44]

That's actually a good point Bozo brings up if the Doc saves would have gone through. Who did Peter visit? Guess we will wait for the GM answer.

[bozotheclown]

If Bozo is really the SK as it seems we are in a really good position.

##vote Bozo

I am not sure we should end without allowing him at least to defend himself.

If you lynch me town will not be in a good position at all. There would be 3 town, 1 SK, and 1 scum left, and after tonight, there likely would be 1 town, 1 SK and 1 scum.

[bozotheclown]

That answered our SK question: ##VOTE bozo
##END

It does not surprise me that flash immediately wanted to end. It is important to give the tracker a chance to make a report for town to have a chance to win. Maybe he tracked the SK or NK.