MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[rdrivera2005]

Or in a wild theory Mafia didn't took any role, Eden believed Chaqa claim and know there is no other PR so it's safe to claim RBer and scum team is exactly Eden, S&C and Bona.

[rdrivera2005]

Probably time to sleep, in 6 hours will be driving daughter to school...

[sweetandcool]

I tried to make a formal thought out post earlier but now I figured out how to say it simply:

If we go with Eden's RB verification plan and Eden is Mafia then it's a big win for mafia. Why? Because Eden will delay their death by a day, and in the meantime they push for a sweetandcool misskill (c'mon, it's hard to imagine y'all voting someone else). And it indeed would be a misskill if Eden is Mafia.

If Eden is town, then yes, verification works and we've still wasted time but there is a benefit. But the benefit is no greater than settling bona vs Eden now.

In other words, if y'all are willing to go along with Eden's RB verification plan, you might as well just trust them and vote Bona now.

[sweetandcool]

Lastly, I'm visiting with my Mother the next two days. I haven't seen her for a year so it's important. I don't know if game rules forbid lying about IRL stuff, but I hope y'all will at least believe this.

I probably will still be able to lurk a bit, but I doubt I will be able to post anything substantial. Honestly, other than helping with logical thinking, I'm currently useless for town right now anyways so me not posting will not be considered much of a loss.

I really don't want to vote because I worry my vote will just reaffirm people's beliefs about whoever my vote favours. However, I realize at some point I will have to vote, and the later I make my position clear the more my position looks suspicious.

The discussion over the course of the day has caused me to see quite clearly who one of the liars is. They have made arguments mixed with sound logic and fallacies. They have made suggestions that clearly favour Mafia in the case that they are indeed Mafia. To listen to them will completely crush town.

Please, ##VOTE President Eden

[damo666]

##vote Sweet while I ponder.

I'm 34:33:33 sweet Bona Eden

If it ends up a straight BvE fight I'll switch.

[Jamiet99uk]

One thing I was holding back was that my claim was also meant as a potential traitor test. No one made the connection that I could have been signalling to my teammates (Eden and Bona in this world) who I was.

Because of this, I suspect mafia have recruited the traitor to full member.

Discuss.

If you were the traitor, assuming your Mafia team-mates recognised that was what you were trying to do, why would you expect them to loudly call attention to that in the thread?

[Jamiet99uk]

So of the claimants, this is how I rate them - in order of trustworthiness of claim:

1. Dousing
2. President Eden*
3. Bonatogether*
4. Chaqa
5. Sweetandcool

* Noting that one of Bona and President Eden apparently must be lying.

The appetite for a Chaqa wagon appears to have gone away, again.

Therefore ##Vote Sweetandcool

[dargorygel]

GM ANNOUNCEMENT
Worcej, by necessity of Real Life Issues, is stepping back from this game. I, dargorygel, have been demoted to GM, and Foxcastle has graciously agreed to co-GM with me. PLEASE send any future information, orders, weather forecasts, or interesting bits of trivia to both of us, either as a DM here, or via discord.

Time-wise, we will do the best we can… and I pre-appreciate your patience and forbearance.

To that end… here is a

VOTE COUNT (day three, number 1)
Sweetandcool: (6) Dousing, rdrivera2005, President Eden, Chaqa, damo666, Jamiet99uk
President Eden: (2) Bonatogether, sweetandcool

Bona has also voted to end early

Bozotheclown has not yet voted.

Presently, Sweetandcool is slated to be deaded.

Day ends in 9 hours and 25 minutes.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thanks Darg, thanks Fox, and thanks Worcej.

[damo666]

Something has cropped up that means I may not be able to be back before EOD.

Considering the state of play I'll my vote as is.

I will try to be around EOD but I'm afraid I cannot guarantee.

Apologies.

PS Had a quick look at past votes, didn't help.

[Chaqa]

@PR claimants: do we really have minimal crumbs for all of you?

[President Eden]

@PR claimants: do we really have minimal crumbs for all of you?

Yes, but in my defense, I assumed my son wouldn’t stab me in the back like this

[bozotheclown]

One thing I was holding back was that my claim was also meant as a potential traitor test. No one made the connection that I could have been signaling to my teammates (Eden and Bona in this world) who I was.

Because of this, I suspect mafia have recruited the traitor to full member.

Discuss.

Considering the number of PR claims I am pretty confident Mafia have recruited the Traitor. It's probably the only choice I would take from the list they have if I ever choose one. Not taking any role is probably the best option for Mafia and the number of PR claims is the only thing giving me pause to vote Eden right now.

Right now I need Bozo and Damo to evaluate if there is a way we can safely verify if Eden is RBer or not.

I don't think there is any better way than what PE suggested:

let me spell this out very simply.

Bona tracks me while I roleblock an agreed upon target.

If the target says I didn’t roleblock them but Bona tracks me to the target, we know the target is mafia.
If the target says I did roleblock them but Bona says I didn’t, Bona is lying.
Anything else and I have to be lying

However, the first case, where Bonatogether confirms PE but the target does not, would more likely be a result of PE and Bonatogether being mafia teammates instead of the target being mafia. It does not seem likely they would try that, though, because it would almost confirm them as both being mafia, since the only way the target could be the mafia in that scenario is if PE and Bonatogether were both town, which is extremely unlikely and probably not even mechanically possible.

The other thing that could go wrong with this is the mafia NKing the target and letting Dousing report another scan, but we would then have the benefit of the scan, assuming Dousing is really the cop, which seems like a safe assumption.

My concern is that PE suggested this plan to confirm either him or Bonatogether as mafia and falsely "clear" the other, when they are both mafia. However, that would still be an issue if we DKed one of them today and they flipped mafia.

I think sweetandcool needs to be resolved independently of PE/Bonatogether, because it seems likely sweetandcool was just caught by Dousing based on his initial reaction to Dousing's claim, so I think resolving sweetandcool today is OK, and it looks like that is the consensus.

##VOTE sweetandcool

[Jamiet99uk]

PE's plan is good.

But we should also resolve S&C.

[Chaqa]

If Sweet does flip Bodyguard, what do we do then?

[Dousing]

If Sweet does flip Bodyguard, what do we do then?

We either assume mafia took two powers or that both Bona and Eden are lying

[Dousing]

Also, 7 people have voted for S&C. That means at least one mafia is currently voting for S&C and probably more

[dargorygel]

Counting of Votes (Day three, number 2)

sweetandcool: (7) Dousing, rdr, Eden, Chaqa, damo, Jamiet, bozo
President Eden: (2) Bona, sweet

All have posted, all have voted.
Bona is indicating a desire to end early.

sweetandcool is likely to be the next contestant on the Price is Right

Five Hours and Fifty Six Minutes till this episode of the Price is Right is finished.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, 7 people have voted for S&C. That means at least one mafia is currently voting for S&C and probably more

Naturally at least one will be, yes.

[sweetandcool]

One thing I was holding back was that my claim was also meant as a potential traitor test. No one made the connection that I could have been signaling to my teammates (Eden and Bona in this world) who I was.

Because of this, I suspect mafia have recruited the traitor to full member.

Discuss.

Considering the number of PR claims I am pretty confident Mafia have recruited the Traitor. It's probably the only choice I would take from the list they have if I ever choose one. Not taking any role is probably the best option for Mafia and the number of PR claims is the only thing giving me pause to vote Eden right now.

Right now I need Bozo and Damo to evaluate if there is a way we can safely verify if Eden is RBer or not.

I don't think there is any better way than what PE suggested:

let me spell this out very simply.

Bona tracks me while I roleblock an agreed upon target.

If the target says I didn’t roleblock them but Bona tracks me to the target, we know the target is mafia.
If the target says I did roleblock them but Bona says I didn’t, Bona is lying.
Anything else and I have to be lying

However, the first case, where Bonatogether confirms PE but the target does not, would more likely be a result of PE and Bonatogether being mafia teammates instead of the target being mafia. It does not seem likely they would try that, though, because it would almost confirm them as both being mafia, since the only way the target could be the mafia in that scenario is if PE and Bonatogether were both town, which is extremely unlikely and probably not even mechanically possible.

The other thing that could go wrong with this is the mafia NKing the target and letting Dousing report another scan, but we would then have the benefit of the scan, assuming Dousing is really the cop, which seems like a safe assumption.

My concern is that PE suggested this plan to confirm either him or Bonatogether as mafia and falsely "clear" the other, when they are both mafia. However, that would still be an issue if we DKed one of them today and they flipped mafia.

I think sweetandcool needs to be resolved independently of PE/Bonatogether, because it seems likely sweetandcool was just caught by Dousing based on his initial reaction to Dousing's claim, so I think resolving sweetandcool today is OK, and it looks like that is the consensus.

##VOTE sweetandcool

And is nobody going to discuss how Eden's plan is rotten if he is mafia? Then he delays his death, and provokes a misskill. Hitting me this day is a huge mistake.