MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[Chaqa]

To me, there are exactly two possibilities:
1. Bona is actually the Tracker and Eden is lying.
2. Eden is actually the Roleblocker and Bona legitimately was catching up as he claims, as mafia, and fake-claimed without seeing the rest of the Eden-roleblock info, and therefore had to death march against Eden

Either results in this being a 50/50.

[Jamiet99uk]

That was supposed to be a case and it turned into a creative writing exercise.

Enjoy.

I did enjoy it.

The problem is, "enjoy" and "comprehend" are not the same.

[Chaqa]

So the next piece to consider is Eden's offer to prove himself.

Bona, if town, knows Eden is scum. Therefore, all it would likely result in is Bona wasting his night action and some Driver shenanigans happening. Eden knows this. So Bona refuses to answer.

If Eden is town, then Bona knows that he won't be able to tell Eden who Eden roleblocked. So he would refuse to answer.

This is rather unhelpful.

[Jamiet99uk]

me: I will literally mech confirm myself town.

everyone: no

Source for "everyone: no" please?

You are behaving as if you're the top wagon.

You have never been the top wagon today.

There is a LOT to work out.

Could you try to be less of a precious snowflake?

no I'm behaving like a petulant child who came up with an awesome idea that nobody wants to do

because I am one

Who says we've ruled out your idea?

Who do we kill in the meantime?

[Chaqa]

So to me, I have to choose whether I believe more that:
1. Bona would choose to try to force a 1v1 with Eden
OR
2. Bona would as mafia reply to messages with a fake claim without being caught up

IDK, neither of these are super believable to me, so I kinda think Bona is just town.

[Jamiet99uk]

So the next piece to consider is Eden's offer to prove himself.

Bona, if town, knows Eden is scum. Therefore, all it would likely result in is Bona wasting his night action and some Driver shenanigans happening. Eden knows this. So Bona refuses to answer.

If Eden is town, then Bona knows that he won't be able to tell Eden who Eden roleblocked. So he would refuse to answer.

This is rather unhelpful.

And WHO DO WE VOTE TODAY?

[Bonatogether]

So the next piece to consider is Eden's offer to prove himself.

Bona, if town, knows Eden is scum. Therefore, all it would likely result in is Bona wasting his night action and some Driver shenanigans happening. Eden knows this. So Bona refuses to answer.

If Eden is town, then Bona knows that he won't be able to tell Eden who Eden roleblocked. So he would refuse to answer.

This is rather unhelpful.

And WHO DO WE VOTE TODAY?

eden

[President Eden]

To me, there are exactly two possibilities:
1. Bona is actually the Tracker and Eden is lying.
2. Eden is actually the Roleblocker and Bona legitimately was catching up as he claims, as mafia, and fake-claimed without seeing the rest of the Eden-roleblock info, and therefore had to death march against Eden

Either results in this being a 50/50.

I don't think your explanation for #2 works because I don't think there's any way he, as scum, reads me demanding that he confirm a roleblock, is actually roleblocked, and lies about it. he's inattentive sometimes but he's not stupid... no way his alarm bells don't go off and he just keeps plowing ahead.

I think it was a deliberate choice to implicitly counterclaim me by claiming a contradicting PR narrative, because his team was counting on me being a viable miskill and the math doesn't work for them anymore if I'm not. he's been teeing up a miskill on me back to early d2 or so if not even sooner

[Chaqa]

WORST case, Eden is going 1 for 1 with Bona.

This catches a scum and also lets Bona dunk on Eden.

That's a win.

BEST case, we kill a mafia and have a Tracker.

And also dunk on Eden.

That's a win-win.

[Bonatogether]

To me, there are exactly two possibilities:
1. Bona is actually the Tracker and Eden is lying.
2. Eden is actually the Roleblocker and Bona legitimately was catching up as he claims, as mafia, and fake-claimed without seeing the rest of the Eden-roleblock info, and therefore had to death march against Eden

Either results in this being a 50/50.

I don't think your explanation for #2 works because I don't think there's any way he, as scum, reads me demanding that he confirm a roleblock, is actually roleblocked, and lies about it. he's inattentive sometimes but he's not stupid... no way his alarm bells don't go off and he just keeps plowing ahead.

I think it was a deliberate choice to implicitly counterclaim me by claiming a contradicting PR narrative, because his team was counting on me being a viable miskill and the math doesn't work for them anymore if I'm not. he's been teeing up a miskill on me back to early d2 or so if not even sooner

you were scummy from early d2 or even earlier

[President Eden]

WORST case, Eden is going 1 for 1 with Bona.

This catches a scum and also lets Bona dunk on Eden.

That's a win.

BEST case, we kill a mafia and have a Tracker.

And also dunk on Eden.

That's a win-win.

Right. It's obviously a terrible fight for me.

So who had the incentive to pick it?

[Chaqa]

To me, there are exactly two possibilities:
1. Bona is actually the Tracker and Eden is lying.
2. Eden is actually the Roleblocker and Bona legitimately was catching up as he claims, as mafia, and fake-claimed without seeing the rest of the Eden-roleblock info, and therefore had to death march against Eden

Either results in this being a 50/50.

I don't think your explanation for #2 works because I don't think there's any way he, as scum, reads me demanding that he confirm a roleblock, is actually roleblocked, and lies about it. he's inattentive sometimes but he's not stupid... no way his alarm bells don't go off and he just keeps plowing ahead.

I think it was a deliberate choice to implicitly counterclaim me by claiming a contradicting PR narrative, because his team was counting on me being a viable miskill and the math doesn't work for them anymore if I'm not. he's been teeing up a miskill on me back to early d2 or so if not even sooner

I find it hard to believe. I think they were counting on me being a miskill, and maybe Sweet or you, and Rivera and Jamie were in the pool even.

Why was Snowy killed?

[President Eden]

So the next piece to consider is Eden's offer to prove himself.

Bona, if town, knows Eden is scum. Therefore, all it would likely result in is Bona wasting his night action and some Driver shenanigans happening. Eden knows this. So Bona refuses to answer.

If Eden is town, then Bona knows that he won't be able to tell Eden who Eden roleblocked. So he would refuse to answer.

This is rather unhelpful.

I don't believe the bus driver can mess this up, because all that matters is whether Bona, the target, and I all have the same answer or not. If it's clearly stated that I'm targeting Ligma and suddenly Candace claims roleblock and Bona sees me visiting Candace, it'll be pretty obvious what happened.

[Chaqa]

WORST case, Eden is going 1 for 1 with Bona.

This catches a scum and also lets Bona dunk on Eden.

That's a win.

BEST case, we kill a mafia and have a Tracker.

And also dunk on Eden.

That's a win-win.

Right. It's obviously a terrible fight for me.

So who had the incentive to pick it?

In this instance, it would have been you choosing to say you roleblocked Bona. I'm not sure why you would do that, though, as scum.

[bozotheclown]

Of our 4 remaining town PR claimants, I think 2 are likely mafia.

PE/Bonatogether is one possibility, with or without Chaqa.

PE/sweetandcool or Bonatogether/sweetandcool are also both possibilities.

There are scenarios where Dousing is mafia, but those are remote.

Only PE, only Bonatogether, or PE/Bonatogether/sweetandcool are also possible, but less likely in my opinion.

My guess is PE and Bonatogether are both mafia, so I prefer DKing one of them today and give sweetandcool a chance to protect Dousing.

[Jamiet99uk]

Of our 4 remaining town PR claimants, I think 2 are likely mafia.

PE/Bonatogether is one possibility, with or without Chaqa.

PE/sweetandcool or Bonatogether/sweetandcool are also both possibilities.

There are scenarios where Dousing is mafia, but those are remote.

Only PE, only Bonatogether, or PE/Bonatogether/sweetandcool are also possible, but less likely in my opinion.

My guess is PE and Bonatogether are both mafia, so I prefer DKing one of them today and give sweetandcool a chance to protect Dousing.

How likely is it, do you think, that Chaqa is scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

19 hours are left.

I'm going to sleep.

[President Eden]

WORST case, Eden is going 1 for 1 with Bona.

This catches a scum and also lets Bona dunk on Eden.

That's a win.

BEST case, we kill a mafia and have a Tracker.

And also dunk on Eden.

That's a win-win.

Right. It's obviously a terrible fight for me.

So who had the incentive to pick it?

In this instance, it would have been you choosing to say you roleblocked Bona. I'm not sure why you would do that, though, as scum.

No, actually - it was him denying it that started the fight. If he's scum he can choose not to have the fight.

In both cases the scum has to assent to the fight. So why would I do that when I know I lose it?

[Bonatogether]

Right. It's obviously a terrible fight for me.

So who had the incentive to pick it?

In this instance, it would have been you choosing to say you roleblocked Bona. I'm not sure why you would do that, though, as scum.

No, actually - it was him denying it that started the fight. If he's scum he can choose not to have the fight.

In both cases the scum has to assent to the fight. So why would I do that when I know I lose it?

that's not true

i lose most lylo or near-lylo fights and this is a known pattern and weakness of mine

[Bonatogether]

gotta go do work

cya nerds