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BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:53 pm

I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...

I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb

Can you explain what’s dumb about it?

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:53 pm

I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...

I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm

I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb

Can you explain what’s dumb about it?

There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:53 pm

I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...

I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb

Do you not think Temasek is more likely to be mafia than yourself?

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm

I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb

Do you not think Temasek is more likely to be mafia than yourself?

I do, but being the actual person to tie the vote feels dirty

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:12 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

Do you not think Temasek is more likely to be mafia than yourself?

I do, but being the actual person to tie the vote feels dirty

OK, I see that you said you would break the tie.

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm

Can you explain what’s dumb about it?

There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.

Is this a VT claim?

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:11 am

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:03 am

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:23 pm

Yeah…but I want a story. With a clear progression of action and colors and heroes and villains.

Someone should tell me a story while I put my kids to bed.

@bozo? @heart? @bueller?

Color coding by heartthrob

Text adapted from Bona. Opinions expressed are not my own. RT =/= endorsement

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Stopping here bc I need to look at this with the colors so I can form some thoughts

What stuck out to me upon reread. Quotes in black, my thoughts in green:
- macca voters: temasek, damo, heartthrob. these 3 either don't move, aren't active, or only flip when it's too late to change the outcome. zero momentum wagon. The other 2 leading wagons both being scum should potentially bring these names into further scrutiny. I'm aware that I am unfortunately on this list
- by T-0:26, the vote is 4 macca/4 will/4 sweet/3 vanity wagons
macca voters: same plus will in desperate self-saving mode. this zombie wagon lumbers on. This reflects favorably on Macca imo
- bozo and jamie get off vanity wagons for sweet. bozo has only engaged with sweet once before in the whole day (admittedly not a high poster), and says his reason is not very strong. however he never moves his vote even as sweet becomes a giant wagon. The vote that initially reflected positively on bozo in the moment (since we didnt know it was SvS) is I think a little less favorable now as we could be looking at a scenario where bozo is just choosing which teammate to sacrifice.

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.

Is this a VT claim?

Does V stand for vigilante or vanilla? Do people actually claim vanilla town?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:20 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 pm

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm

Is this a VT claim?

Does V stand for vigilante or vanilla? Do people actually claim vanilla town?

The later, and yes, sometimes, when it is appropriate. In this case, if you were a PR, you probably would not be saying there is no value in keeping you around for an extra day.

Temasek22 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

Shocking didn't oversleep today and would be able to make EoD

Temasek22 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

Shocking didn't oversleep today and would be able to make EoD

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 pm

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 pm

I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb

Can you explain what’s dumb about it?

There'd be no way to take self-preservation motivations out of the story of my vote at this point in the round. Those types of votes look inherently scummy and people won't be able to distance my vote from that story regardless of what my intentions would've been in tying it.

If people decide that for whatever reason I'm the more valuable flip then I don't feel think scrambling would do me any good at this point... people seem to hold Tem and I at a similar tier of scumminess anyway and I admit that I don't feel like I've been particularly helpful to the town this game so making a whole scene to keep myself around for an extra day just doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

If someone else ties it and they need me to tip the scale towards Tem I would be happy to but being the actual person to tie it feels stupid whether I'm town or scum.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:27 pm

Temasek22 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

Shocking didn't oversleep today and would be able to make EoD

Like what you see?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

##vote Tem

Now heart. Vote Tem?

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:31 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

##vote Tem

Now heart. Vote Tem?

Well now he's so far ahead that I don't want to anymore

heartthrob24909 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:31 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 pm

##vote Tem

Now heart. Vote Tem?

Well now he's so far ahead that I don't want to anymore