Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki's choice of a dark blue font tells me he uses light mode for the site.

That's a scumtell. Only sociopaths use light mode.

I may be a sociopath, but I'm Town's sociopath.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Damo, let's please not make Daykill choices based on the Hypo claims. Please ignore the Hypo Claims for now.

Here are some reasons:
- Most of the Hypo Claims are fake. They are hypotheticals from non-cops.
- Some of the Hypo Claims are from the bad guys. They are meant to mislead, and they have an easy alibi for being confusing (they are supposed to be random!)
- Even the handful that come from actual cops may be fake or unintelligible. The Addictive, Naive, and Macho Cops do not know what kind of Cops they are. The Parity Cop gave us a fake result. The PA Angel would have had a pretty easy job last night because many of the Hypo Cop targets were announced early enough to tell the PA Angel where to go.
- The Method Cop was purposefully altered to give backwards hypo scans so that the results are unintelligible.
- If we actually got an actionable scan from a Cop last night, it's in the thread, and we will be able to use it eventually (after that Cop hard claims or flips).

OK but people should be more careful.

For example food declared a FALSE on Vecna and voted for him in the same post. He then moved off which is tantamount to soft claiming not cop. If food isn't vt, doc or scum I'd be very surprised. So even assuming the minimum of 3 cops this gives a food a minimum chance of being scum 7/15 and from a vt pov 1/2, cop pov > 1/2, angel pov, 3/15, judge pov 4/15.

##vote food

No it's not. Even if Food were a Cop. And even if the False scan revealed to Food that Vecna is likely Scum (that's pretty unlikely, and would only be true for a couple of Cop types, but even in that scenario), it probably is not the right move to vote Vecna all day because our Cops want to stay hidden.

Pressuring our Cops to vote for their guilty scans is a bad idea. Pressuring everyone to vote for their "FALSE" scans, is even worse.

Cops, stay hidden. Even if you have an actionable result, chill. We'll let that come out eventually.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Damo, let's please not make Daykill choices based on the Hypo claims. Please ignore the Hypo Claims for now.

Here are some reasons:
- Most of the Hypo Claims are fake. They are hypotheticals from non-cops.
- Some of the Hypo Claims are from the bad guys. They are meant to mislead, and they have an easy alibi for being confusing (they are supposed to be random!)
- Even the handful that come from actual cops may be fake or unintelligible. The Addictive, Naive, and Macho Cops do not know what kind of Cops they are. The Parity Cop gave us a fake result. The PA Angel would have had a pretty easy job last night because many of the Hypo Cop targets were announced early enough to tell the PA Angel where to go.
- The Method Cop was purposefully altered to give backwards hypo scans so that the results are unintelligible.
- If we actually got an actionable scan from a Cop last night, it's in the thread, and we will be able to use it eventually (after that Cop hard claims or flips).

OK but people should be more careful.

For example food declared a FALSE on Vecna and voted for him in the same post. He then moved off which is tantamount to soft claiming not cop. If food isn't vt, doc or scum I'd be very surprised. So even assuming the minimum of 3 cops this gives a food a minimum chance of being scum 7/15 and from a vt pov 1/2, cop pov > 1/2, angel pov, 3/15, judge pov 4/15.

##vote food

Saying you have a FALSE on Vecna and then hard voting vecna the whole day basically dooms you to be outed and roleblocked for the rest of the game

[ghug]

I am boarding a plane, skimming over the thread. I feel like I just don’t have a lot to say. I’d still very much like to see Sweetie or Damo flip. I find myself reading Kakarroto and Food as likely Town. Captain Sparrow likely Town. Kind of suspicious of ghug for trying to test the waters on a D1 Balki kill.

I just haven’t learned much since yesterday. I could use another flip or two!

TLDR on why you think Sweet is scummy? He's one of my stronger townreads

TLDR on why you think sweet is towny? He's one of my stronger scumreads, and I've read the game

[brainbomb]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

[sweetandcool]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

Huh, that feels wrong but maybe it is right.

[ghug]

There are three players who reported a false result but are not voting for their alleged target. I purport that this makes them statistically more likely to be scum than other players.

These are

food
Will
sweet

I am willing to vote any of these.

Kotp is voting rdr on whom he claimed FALSE but he also so claimed RB so this is nonsense.

Sweet reported False on Brain after Vecna and Balki had already reported TRUE (which I also subsequently reported). I'm not really sure what to make of this. If he were scum wouldn't he mimic the other two?

So I am left with food and Will. Will already has a vote so I'll go there.

##vote Just

No no no no no

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

M i disagree

Potential for only 3 cops and 7 guarantee scum plus the fact that we may not get a judge plus the potential of the result getting flipped means we should NOT reveal

[brainbomb]

that makes no sense, why would someone willfully allow a judge to make it to the night phase and carry out a kill?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

Well, we want to trust our Cops to do their thing, but they ought to consider that their scan is already in the thread, and we'll be able to take advantage of it later in the game too. I should think it would be best to keep quiet, and get more scans into the thread. One of the main advantages of the Hypo Scans is that our Cops don't have to come forward. We can interpret their scans later and they keep putting more scans in the thread.

We have to catch 7! bad guys!!! We are going to want all the scan results we can get.

[brainbomb]

youd be placing all your eggs in the basket that angels will roleblock that judge once that cop claims at night, and thereby assuming angels want to townside and prevent kills. which makes no sense from that wincon either

[brainbomb]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

Well, we want to trust our Cops to do their thing, but they ought to consider that their scan is already in the thread, and we'll be able to take advantage of it later in the game too. I should think it would be best to keep quiet, and get more scans into the thread. One of the main advantages of the Hypo Scans is that our Cops don't have to come forward. We can interpret their scans later and they keep putting more scans in the thread.

We have to catch 7! bad guys!!! We are going to want all the scan results we can get.

theres a cop that only catches judges though. and its zero threat to angels at all. if they existed and caught a judge, this logic makes no sense. theres only 2 other judges they could even catch and one would kill that person upon visiting most likely

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

that makes no sense, why would someone willfully allow a judge to make it to the night phase and carry out a kill?

Because the cop at any time later can choose to reveal if they so desire, catching the scum (not judge 100% btw) and if they die we can use their scan that they hypo’ed to determine it anyway

[ghug]

* * * Balki Note: Everyone please read the rules again. If you have questions, ask them here.

Nobody put any stock at all into any of the hypo claims. They are purposefully ambiguous. They tell you nothing. Completely disregard them until we have Cop flips or Cop hard claims. Cheers. * * *

Illegible blue

Dark mode erases post newness. I'm normally a fan but my understanding is that bo_sox wrote it, and it shows, so not here.

[snowy801]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

Well, we want to trust our Cops to do their thing, but they ought to consider that their scan is already in the thread, and we'll be able to take advantage of it later in the game too. I should think it would be best to keep quiet, and get more scans into the thread. One of the main advantages of the Hypo Scans is that our Cops don't have to come forward. We can interpret their scans later and they keep putting more scans in the thread.

We have to catch 7! bad guys!!! We are going to want all the scan results we can get.

To be fair chances are some of them get evaporated by each other

[Balki Bartokomous]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

Well, we want to trust our Cops to do their thing, but they ought to consider that their scan is already in the thread, and we'll be able to take advantage of it later in the game too. I should think it would be best to keep quiet, and get more scans into the thread. One of the main advantages of the Hypo Scans is that our Cops don't have to come forward. We can interpret their scans later and they keep putting more scans in the thread.

We have to catch 7! bad guys!!! We are going to want all the scan results we can get.

theres a cop that only catches judges though. and its zero threat to angels at all. if they existed and caught a judge, this logic makes no sense. theres only 2 other judges they could even catch and one would kill that person upon visiting most likely

Yeah, but said Cop likely has a caught Scum. Let's allow said Judge run around and make choices (and others make choices with respect to that slot). I wouldn't think we'd want to kill that person now.

There are other considerations too, of course. Maybe caught Judge is likely to be Daykilled without a reveal, for example. We have to trust our Cops to make good choices, but I would generally urge caution, as you can't unring that bell, and bad guys definitely have role blockers.

[Balki Bartokomous]

youd be placing all your eggs in the basket that angels will roleblock that judge once that cop claims at night, and thereby assuming angels want to townside and prevent kills. which makes no sense from that wincon either

I think we've hashed out the pros and cons. We can agree to disagree on the strategy of it. In the end, we have to trust our PR to make a good decision with the info they have.

[sweetandcool]

* * * Balki Note: Everyone please read the rules again. If you have questions, ask them here.

Nobody put any stock at all into any of the hypo claims. They are purposefully ambiguous. They tell you nothing. Completely disregard them until we have Cop flips or Cop hard claims. Cheers. * * *

Illegible blue

Dark mode erases post newness. I'm normally a fan but my understanding is that bo_sox wrote it, and it shows, so not here.

It erased post newness? What do you mean?

I get a little thing at the top of the thread telling me a new post was made.

[damo666]

@Balki and @Just

I agree someone voting their FALSE all day wouldn't be advisable. However voting them and moving off is bizarre.

So, my Will vote was maybe misguided but I think the reasoning behind my food vote is sound.