MAFIA 43 - GAME THREAD

[Vaporwave]

damo, agree that team might contain Ike, was looking back at bomb vs. Durga. vs Ike and it was a bit unusual

it might have been that he was more silent because bomb was a partner.

also, I know how bomb behaves as scum. He's smart enough not to spew 2 people town, only Durga comes out as town from this entire event

I'm entertaining the thought that Ike is indeed part of bomb's team.

What I found strange about that exchange is that brain chose to attack Durga in the first place. They have had issues in the past and from the last few times I've played with them, brain tends to be hyper-vigilant about not pissing off Durga (regardless of alignment) - though he's not very good at it. For scum brainbomb, what I find strange is that he chose to go after Durga. I could see him knowing Durga would look better from the exchange and he sacrificing himself. I could see it legitimately being a case of brain being defensive of his oog friend Ike and it being NAI. I have trouble seeing it being brain defending scummate Ike by attacking town Durga.

What your take on them? Do you think that Ike is rather town and Durga could be scum?

Her reaction made me feel she's in no way associated with bomb.

Why would she let bomb as partner do this charade where he pressed for her to apologize? Durga was patient enough but also firm in telling him he's milking the moment.

I feel like Ike was present,didn't interrupt the spat. He never called out bomb for buddying him even though during the argument bomb made an entire scene of Ike situation.

[Vaporwave]

Oh, not to mention that BOTH bomb and Ike started this game shading Durga, trying to get a reaction out of her since they've mentioned past animosities.

[damo666]

The only reason for me to suspect it's not auto-win is that scum have not conceded yet, but maybe it's just because they haven't had a chance to talk it among themselves.

We should absolutely execute the plan assuming it's auto win, but I don't want everyone to get complacent here.

Correct, if we get complacent we start thinking crazy things, like Xorxes is town

Is this serious?

[worcej]

I just assumed we had a lot of 20-30 year olds, with the odd outside.

Guess I am one of the odd... only just barely though lol

[damo666]

I just assumed we had a lot of 20-30 year olds, with the odd outside.

Guess I am one of the odd... only just barely though lol

Yep. You are odd.

(Joking worcej, joking)

[worcej]

You're married at 22? Wow. Now I'm feeling old and forever alone.

Oh god, I didn't get married until I was 27 so calm down

[damo666]

Oooohhhhhhhhh boys, I'm fishing up a whopper of a whale of a tale, I just need to make sure the codes and usernames check out and I'll be back.... We're talking Tom Bombadil isn't the cop level tin foil here

What's this about?

[damo666]

Not going to be around at EON, will be sporadic, so reads now (no reasoning attached in post, just from what I remember because I'm lazy):

Strong Town: xorxes, worcej, Vecna
Weak Town: Durga, thamrick, Vaporwave, damo666, e.m.c^42, rdrivera2005
Null: Percy Williams, Tom Bombadil, Attorney, bozotheclown
Weak Scum: Nephthys, ND
Strong Scum: Ezio, flash2015, Foxcastle, Squigs44

This is looking poor

[worcej]

Oh, not to mention that BOTH bomb and Ike started this game shading Durga, trying to get a reaction out of her since they've mentioned past animosities.

This is fairly common - no offense to her, but she is easy to get roused up for reads.

[thamrick]

What your take on them? Do you think that Ike is rather town and Durga could be scum?

Her reaction made me feel she's in no way associated with bomb.

Why would she let bomb as partner do this charade where he pressed for her to apologize? Durga was patient enough but also firm in telling him he's milking the moment.

I feel like Ike was present,didn't interrupt the spat. He never called out bomb for buddying him even though during the argument bomb made an entire scene of Ike situation.

Right now I'm reading them both as mildly town. They're in my POE (mainly due to claiming con), but further down my POE than a few others. I'd probably say Durga is slightly more likely to be scum than Ike, but it's negligible.

I agree that Durga's reaction to BB in that exchange was very genuine. However, I think that her reaction would be genuine as either alignment. Durga is a good enough player to not be rattled by BB. The thing that gives me pause about Durga's interactions with BB is actually this post:

She only has three votes with hardly any push so far, I don't see her in any danger of being lynched, why would that give you anxiety?

he's trying to buddy me because he's anxious i'll get him lynched

It was early D1 (p.33 if you want it in context). I agreed with it at the time because I was scumreading BB. However, it just seems a little too incisive to me on re-read.

I'll (begrudgingly) re-read the BB/Durga/Ike exchange again to see what you're saying about Ike. My gut during the exchange was that BB was just over being scum and that he was legitimately upset that Durga called Ike that.

[thamrick]

Not going to be around at EON, will be sporadic, so reads now (no reasoning attached in post, just from what I remember because I'm lazy):

Strong Town: xorxes, worcej, Vecna
Weak Town: Durga, thamrick, Vaporwave, damo666, e.m.c^42, rdrivera2005
Null: Percy Williams, Tom Bombadil, Attorney, bozotheclown
Weak Scum: Nephthys, ND
Strong Scum: Ezio, flash2015, Foxcastle, Squigs44

This is looking poor

Please explain what looks poor about it.

[thamrick]

Oh, not to mention that BOTH bomb and Ike started this game shading Durga, trying to get a reaction out of her since they've mentioned past animosities.

I don't remember bb shading Durga at the beginning. I actually remember him being mildly favorable towards Durga. Can you point to what you're remembering/reading?

[Squigs44]

If Attorney is conservative, and none of the town conservative lied about their party, then this game is autowin for us since we can lynch all of the conservatives before mafia can kill off the non-cons. So yes, we lynch Attorney, and it doesn't even matter if he lied or not.

The only downside to this plan is if Party cop is killed or RB'd tonight. But then we can always decide what to do with Attorney later.

Well, no. The downside of this plan is that Attorney is probably a non-conservative who lied. We mislynch him, he flips non-con and we are back to square one.

I do understand the math of it, but I think its unwise to let that dictate the day when there is a very good chance he is a non-con.

We only lynch him IF the party cop comes out with a Con or DUP scan on him. We don't ever lynch a non-con Attorney unless somehow the party cop can't scan him. If that's the case, we will cross that bridge when we get there.

[thamrick]

Someone else shaded Durga (worcej maybe? - the "I couldn't vote for her last game" line) early on. Is that what you're remembering?

[damo666]

Not going to be around at EON, will be sporadic, so reads now (no reasoning attached in post, just from what I remember because I'm lazy):

Strong Town: xorxes, worcej, Vecna
Weak Town: Durga, thamrick, Vaporwave, damo666, e.m.c^42, rdrivera2005
Null: Percy Williams, Tom Bombadil, Attorney, bozotheclown
Weak Scum: Nephthys, ND
Strong Scum: Ezio, flash2015, Foxcastle, Squigs44

This is looking poor

Please explain what looks poor about it.

the number of non-cons in his scum

[Squigs44]

Anyone scumreading Ike/Durga needs to provide a case that includes points outside of the brain exchange. Brain is a crafty guy who can smear people just how he wants, and so it becomes WIFOM.

[damo666]

This is looking poor

Please explain what looks poor about it.

the number of non-cons in his scum

and as it turns out having Ezio in there but Ezio hadn't PM claimed then so I forgive that one.

Actually would a scum Ike list like this? Perhaps not. I'll move him from scumlean to Null.

[damo666]

Anyone scumreading Ike/Durga needs to provide a case that includes points outside of the brain exchange. Brain is a crafty guy who can smear people just how he wants, and so it becomes WIFOM.

@Squigs who are your current scumpile?

[thamrick]

This is looking poor

Please explain what looks poor about it.

the number of non-cons in his scum

Why is that so terrible though? Between his slight scum and strong scum, he had 3 cons and 3 non-cons. There are 3 con mafia nd 1 non-con mafia.

[thamrick]

Anyone scumreading Ike/Durga needs to provide a case that includes points outside of the brain exchange. Brain is a crafty guy who can smear people just how he wants, and so it becomes WIFOM.

^this