MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[bozotheclown]

let me spell this out very simply.

Bona tracks me while I roleblock an agreed upon target.

If the target says I didn’t roleblock them but Bona tracks me to the target, we know the target is mafia.
If the target says I did roleblock them but Bona says I didn’t, Bona is lying.
Anything else and I have to be lying

assumes the target is town - you choose who you rb, so doesn't work

you all decide and if I deviate you kill me

If you and Bonatogether are both mafia, this does not resolve anything. The first case could be explained by either you and Bonatogether being mafia or the target being mafia.

[Chaqa]

I think that Eden had no reason to doubt my claim.

If he’s town, he legitimately blocked Bona.

If he’s scum, why would he claim roleblocker unless he expected his teammate Bona to back him up? IfEden said Bona is scum if he says wasn’t roleblocked, and Bona is town, then Bona dies town and we kill Eden.

So the only world where Eden is scum, Bona is also scum.

But if Eden is town, Bona is also scum.

Therefore…
##Vote Jamie

[Chaqa]

But for real ##Vote Bona

He’s caught scum

[Chaqa]

What if we just didn’t vote any of them today and assumed all claims are true

Do you believe the Driver theory?

I think bona and sweet are both frauds tbh

[sweetandcool]

I think that Eden had no reason to doubt my claim.

If he’s town, he legitimately blocked Bona.

If he’s scum, why would he claim roleblocker unless he expected his teammate Bona to back him up? IfEden said Bona is scum if he says wasn’t roleblocked, and Bona is town, then Bona dies town and we kill Eden.

So the only world where Eden is scum, Bona is also scum.

But if Eden is town, Bona is also scum.

Therefore…
##Vote Jamie

I'm pretty sure this does not track. Eden could have legitimately thought they were caught and wanted to provoke a misskill as a parting shot.

[bozotheclown]

Doesn't we have enough claims. I am a VT by the way and I am tending to believe Bona more then Eden at this point. The Bus driver looks like a bit of despair.

Can you or someone else explain why Eden would make his claim if he were lying?

Like, I understand Eden would make a claim because he thought Chaqa outed him. And I understand Eden claiming RB rather than, say, Bodyguard because he didn't want to be obvious if he was false-claiming.

What I don't understand is if he is lying, why did he choose those particular RB claims? He would expect Bona to deny it, right? So is provoking a Bona misskill his parting shot as Mafia? And if he is telling the truth, is there any motivation for Bona to be lying, other than Bona being Mafia?

If Eden thought Chaqa clam was legit and Bona is town then Eden would believe Bona is also a town PR, so forcing him to claim or tryng to gladiate him isn't a bad call. But then Chaqa retracted and he started to think on a Driver?

Or both are scum and Chaqa is a genius. Or both are town and should by a lottery ticket, because how are the chances Mafia chooses a JOAT that uses his Drive power N1 exactly on Bona and Eden/Ghug.

Or, all 3 are mafia. In that case, any 2 getting revealed as mafia would make the third look cleared.

I don't think the driver option is worth considering even if it is possible, which I doubt.

[Chaqa]

Hmmmm

[rdrivera2005]

Can you or someone else explain why Eden would make his claim if he were lying?

Like, I understand Eden would make a claim because he thought Chaqa outed him. And I understand Eden claiming RB rather than, say, Bodyguard because he didn't want to be obvious if he was false-claiming.

What I don't understand is if he is lying, why did he choose those particular RB claims? He would expect Bona to deny it, right? So is provoking a Bona misskill his parting shot as Mafia? And if he is telling the truth, is there any motivation for Bona to be lying, other than Bona being Mafia?

If Eden thought Chaqa clam was legit and Bona is town then Eden would believe Bona is also a town PR, so forcing him to claim or tryng to gladiate him isn't a bad call. But then Chaqa retracted and he started to think on a Driver?

Or both are scum and Chaqa is a genius. Or both are town and should by a lottery ticket, because how are the chances Mafia chooses a JOAT that uses his Drive power N1 exactly on Bona and Eden/Ghug.

Or, all 3 are mafia. In that case, any 2 getting revealed as mafia would make the third look cleared.

I don't think the driver option is worth considering even if it is possible, which I doubt.

But if all 3 are Mafia why make all this ploy? Just buss Chaqa hard and go for two miskills. Unless they took all 3 roles (it will mean 4 PRs in the remaining 6) but it's also a really really unlikely possibility.

[sweetandcool]

Could you explain your last sentence? You lost me there.

[President Eden]

I think it’s s&c, Bona, rdr

[bozotheclown]

If Eden thought Chaqa clam was legit and Bona is town then Eden would believe Bona is also a town PR, so forcing him to claim or tryng to gladiate him isn't a bad call. But then Chaqa retracted and he started to think on a Driver?

Or both are scum and Chaqa is a genius. Or both are town and should by a lottery ticket, because how are the chances Mafia chooses a JOAT that uses his Drive power N1 exactly on Bona and Eden/Ghug.

Or, all 3 are mafia. In that case, any 2 getting revealed as mafia would make the third look cleared.

I don't think the driver option is worth considering even if it is possible, which I doubt.

But if all 3 are Mafia why make all this ploy? Just buss Chaqa hard and go for two miskills. Unless they took all 3 roles (it will mean 4 PRs in the remaining 6) but it's also a really really unlikely possibility.

Considering Chaqa and PE were both under pressure, I can see them trying to pull it off. If there hadn't been a cop CC, it would have worked out even better for them in the case where they are all mafia, even if there were roleblocker and tracker CCs.

[sweetandcool]

I think it’s s&c, Bona, rdr

Given that you are under scrutiny, throwing unhelpful opinions out like this is unhelpful.

[Jamiet99uk]

let me spell this out very simply.

Bona tracks me while I roleblock an agreed upon target.

If the target says I didn’t roleblock them but Bona tracks me to the target, we know the target is mafia.
If the target says I did roleblock them but Bona says I didn’t, Bona is lying.
Anything else and I have to be lying

Agree this plan.

In the meantime, we can kill Chaqa.

[President Eden]

I think it’s s&c, Bona, rdr

Given that you are under scrutiny, throwing unhelpful opinions out like this is unhelpful.

I’ve already explained my reasoning on all three of you at various points today

[Bonatogether]

also what stops you from nking me

probably the outed vanilla cop still existing

you could be a scum pr or a goon - i don't believe that does anything

[Bonatogether]

let's just thunderdome today and get it over with

in any case gtg for a bit

well no, because if we can kill mafia instead, there’s a chance we resolve all of this without spending the final miskill

i support killing mafia

that's why i'm voting you

[Bonatogether]

What if we just didn’t vote any of them today and assumed all claims are true

then we'd be mistaken

[Bonatogether]

the driver theory isn't needed when the simple mechs theory works AND aligns with how things were already looking (some people townreading me, most people scumreading eden)

[President Eden]

also what stops you from nking me

probably the outed vanilla cop still existing

you could be a scum pr or a goon - i don't believe that does anything

you missed the point

mafia is killing Dousing tonight if they’re not morons.

so assuming you are actually tracker (doubt), we won’t be disrupted in that way, because I’m obviously never roleblocking Dousing here.

[Bonatogether]

I think that Eden had no reason to doubt my claim.

If he’s town, he legitimately blocked Bona.

If he’s scum, why would he claim roleblocker unless he expected his teammate Bona to back him up? IfEden said Bona is scum if he says wasn’t roleblocked, and Bona is town, then Bona dies town and we kill Eden.

So the only world where Eden is scum, Bona is also scum.

But if Eden is town, Bona is also scum.

Therefore…
##Vote Jamie

if eden's scum, he knows he pushes me into a thunderdome with him, which i think he does because he knows that i'm easy to get people to ignore, and that i was already onto him, so it doesn't get more onto him than he needs