MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[KoalaAttack]

##VOTE Balki Bartokomous

Sorry if you are Town Balki – but I have no stronger hypothesis ATM.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki - I am talking more the entire dialogue between you and Koala this phase comes off as you using the claim to justify your lack of hammer.

I think you caught the error and are trying to course correct now.

No, please re-read the post I just quoted. The answer is there.

Also, what is my scum motivation for not hammering you?

[Balki Bartokomous]

This is a bizarre argument you guys are making.

If I am scum, why don't I want to hammer worcej?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I don't understand the theory behind your argument at all.

[KoalaAttack]

Also, what is my scum motivation for not hammering you?

You already had a now-confirmed-Townie newbie player earnestly doing it for you (me). So why bother and put Suspicion on yourself when worcej flips Town. You can come across as less rigid, more consensus-seeking. It's a perfect frame.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Anyway, I don't think I can explain it better than I already have.

I hope you'll re-read the post I made on page 100. That was a complete explanation of my thinking.

But the fundamental problem with the theory you guys are suggesting is that there is no Scum!Balki motivation to save worcej. I don't get the impression you have thought this all the way through. I wish you would do so.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Also, what is my scum motivation for not hammering you?

You already had a now-confirmed-Townie newbie player earnestly doing it for you (me). So why bother and put Suspicion on yourself when worcej flips Town. You can come across as less rigid, more consensus-seeking. It's a perfect frame.

But we didn't hammer worcej.

If I were scum, I probably could have pushed the hammer on worcej.

I didn't. I stopped it.

The fact that Koala spent the phase with a vote on wrocej that meant nothing is not a "frame." I honestly think I was one of the people who is responsible for keeping worcej alive. That doesn't mean I am town for sure, but it definitely isn't a reason to scumread me.

[Balki Bartokomous]

You guys are scumreading me becuase I went out of my way to save someone who ended up being a PR.

Just bizarre.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Also, what is my scum motivation for not hammering you?

You already had a now-confirmed-Townie newbie player earnestly doing it for you (me). So why bother and put Suspicion on yourself when worcej flips Town. You can come across as less rigid, more consensus-seeking. It's a perfect frame.

This is a bad argument and you should feel bad.

[bo_sox48]

Killing Balki is a suboptimal play

[Balki Bartokomous]

Killing Balki is a suboptimal play

Why? Why is it a suboptimal play?

Say stuff that actually means stuff.

[KoalaAttack]

Also, what is my scum motivation for not hammering you?

You already had a now-confirmed-Townie newbie player earnestly doing it for you (me). So why bother and put Suspicion on yourself when worcej flips Town. You can come across as less rigid, more consensus-seeking. It's a perfect frame.

But we didn't hammer worcej.

If I were scum, I probably could have pushed the hammer on worcej.

I didn't. I stopped it.

The fact that Koala spent the phase with a vote on wrocej that meant nothing is not a "frame." I honestly think I was one of the people who is responsible for keeping worcej alive. That doesn't mean I am town for sure, but it definitely isn't a reason to scumread me.

That is totally fair enough. Hence my apology. I am not super confident. But I am relatively more confident with this guess than any other I have so far.

Put another way – give me a stronger hypothesis and I'll switch. Debunking this one alone is not enough at this stage of the day (err, night).

I hope that made sense.

[KoalaAttack]

Also, what is my scum motivation for not hammering you?

You already had a now-confirmed-Townie newbie player earnestly doing it for you (me). So why bother and put Suspicion on yourself when worcej flips Town. You can come across as less rigid, more consensus-seeking. It's a perfect frame.

This is a bad argument and you should feel bad.

Well if I'm wrong I'll feel bad after the fact. But right now, appealing to emotion of someone who is clearly a logic-driven player this entire game does not exactly strengthen your case :)

[Balki Bartokomous]

You already had a now-confirmed-Townie newbie player earnestly doing it for you (me). So why bother and put Suspicion on yourself when worcej flips Town. You can come across as less rigid, more consensus-seeking. It's a perfect frame.

But we didn't hammer worcej.

If I were scum, I probably could have pushed the hammer on worcej.

I didn't. I stopped it.

The fact that Koala spent the phase with a vote on wrocej that meant nothing is not a "frame." I honestly think I was one of the people who is responsible for keeping worcej alive. That doesn't mean I am town for sure, but it definitely isn't a reason to scumread me.

That is totally fair enough. Hence my apology. I am not super confident. But I am relatively more confident with this guess than any other I have so far.

Put another way – give me a stronger hypothesis and I'll switch. Debunking this one alone is not enough at this stage of the day (err, night).

I hope that made sense.

@Koala, I have posted a lot about the reasons I have for suspecting Bo and Chaqa. I suggest you read my ISO if you would like to dig into that. To do that, go to the Peterbot. Click on "Search among all messages" and, under "User" search for my name.

But I do not understand how you have any confidence about this theory. I just don't follow the logic even a little. To me, it should register to you as a reason to TOWN READ me, not scum read me.

As far as I understand, this is what you are saying:

Balki said during Night 1 that he wanted us all to vote and then hammer whomever was the vote leader the next day.

But then we got to the next day, and it turned out worcej was the vote leader, and then Balki backed out of the plan.

So Balki went out of his way to save worcej.

Now we know that worcej is....town....and a PR...so we know that Balki went out of his way to save a town player. So Balki is....

scum?

I don't get it, koala. Maybe you could try explaining how the theory works again. I think I need to understand it to respond to it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

You already had a now-confirmed-Townie newbie player earnestly doing it for you (me). So why bother and put Suspicion on yourself when worcej flips Town. You can come across as less rigid, more consensus-seeking. It's a perfect frame.

This is a bad argument and you should feel bad.

Well if I'm wrong I'll feel bad after the fact. But right now, appealing to emotion of someone who is clearly a logic-driven player this entire game does not exactly strengthen your case :)

I certainly do not care about your apology.

I think I've spent plenty of time trying to respond to you on logic. I do not see any logical basis for the conclusion you are drawing.

You should be trying to piece together a theory about why Scum!Balki might do what I have done, and then explain why that explanation makes more sense than the one I have given. You don't seem to be doing that, or at least I cannot track it.

[KoalaAttack]

Correction, since the weather forecast is 50% of a Gambler and unknown % of Mafia killings:

##VOTE Balki Bartokomous

if Balki gets dead tonight then ##VOTE bo_sox48 as Plan B – and their names both start with B too!

[Balki Bartokomous]

Correction, since the weather forecast is 50% of a Gambler and unknown % of Mafia killings:

##VOTE Balki Bartokomous

if Balki gets dead tonight then ##VOTE bo_sox48 as Plan B – and their names both start with B too!

I am not going to die tonight.

I do not think you understand the state of the game right now.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I have no idea how to respond to this.

Koala is suspecting me for saving a PR.

[Balki Bartokomous]

If I am just not following your reasoning, please try to explain it again. I am lost.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Tabbing out for a minute to do some real work...