MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

GM Note:
Anyone who is roleblocked will receive a message stating "YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED!"

WHOEVER WAS ROLEBLOCKED SHOULD CLAIM

The worcej post is strange. It looks like it should have been said in set up. Therefore I assume it was in response to a query. There was no public GM call so almost certainly not this was a result of a question from scum and they did not use RB because of the danger in creating a clear.

@doctor you will never be roleblocked (unless very deep in game).


I'm right aren't I scumbos?

Interesting that 5 people have posted since this and nobody has mentioned it.

[damo666]

remember the game where he pitted me vs you and sabi was playing. and it was a multi faction game where sabi and bozo were not allied. somehow I had you as sure town and id made peace with it. and then bozo came in with a case that got me to change my whole perspective and I ended up eliminating you instead.

I think I am just a little paranoid of him knowing that he can and has done such things.

sounds familiar

[brainbomb]

I dont have an opinion on who wouldve asked a private GM call about it but sure someone probably did. and it probably shouldve been listed.

[brainbomb]

What would edens scumtell be?

that he breathes life into too many bad scumreads by other people?

[damo666]

What would edens scumtell be?

that he breathes life into too many bad scumreads by other people?

Lack of inquisitorial town analysis.

[damo666]

I dont have an opinion on who wouldve asked a private GM call about it but sure someone probably did. and it probably shouldve been listed.

Regardless of who asked do you think it's reasonable there was no roleblock, especially with a lack of claim.

[damo666]

Eliminating some unlikely pairs I am down to 12 teams:

Bra Boz Bon Fish
Bra Boz Fish PE
Bra Boz Fish Swo
Bra Boz PE Swo
Bra Bon Fish TFB
Bra Fish PE Swo
Bra Fish PE TFB
Bra Fish Swo TFB
Bra PE Swo TFB
Boz Bon Fish TFB
Boz Fish PE Swo
Fish PE Swo TFB


Frequency count:

Brain 9
Bozo 6
Bona 3
Fish 9
PE 7
Swo 7
TFB 6

I think we should vote from among {Brain, Fish, PE, Sword}

[brainbomb]

I dont have an opinion on who wouldve asked a private GM call about it but sure someone probably did. and it probably shouldve been listed.

Regardless of who asked do you think it's reasonable there was no roleblock, especially with a lack of claim.

I think that seems like the obvious unless it was a new player who doesnt know what they are supposed to do and they keep seeing people telling them
not to trust you and so theyre just deer in the headlights over it.

im assuming there was not a roleblock which means killing flum was very very ballsy there

[brainbomb]

Eliminating some unlikely pairs I am down to 12 teams:

Bra Boz Bon Fish
Bra Boz Fish PE
Bra Boz Fish Swo
Bra Boz PE Swo
Bra Bon Fish TFB
Bra Fish PE Swo
Bra Fish PE TFB
Bra Fish Swo TFB
Bra PE Swo TFB
Boz Bon Fish TFB
Boz Fish PE Swo
Fish PE Swo TFB


Frequency count:

Brain 9
Bozo 6
Bona 3
Fish 9
PE 7
Swo 7
TFB 6

I think we should vote from among {Brain, Fish, PE, Sword}

is that your POE or is that just an optimized plan of action for the phase?

[brainbomb]

This would imply that the most possible scumteam pairings all go through me and I havent seen any reasoning that connects me to any of those people or any argument that im overly disconnected from any of those people.

what am I actually reading here?

[damo666]

Eliminating some unlikely pairs I am down to 12 teams:

Bra Boz Bon Fish
Bra Boz Fish PE
Bra Boz Fish Swo
Bra Boz PE Swo
Bra Bon Fish TFB
Bra Fish PE Swo
Bra Fish PE TFB
Bra Fish Swo TFB
Bra PE Swo TFB
Boz Bon Fish TFB
Boz Fish PE Swo
Fish PE Swo TFB


Frequency count:

Brain 9
Bozo 6
Bona 3
Fish 9
PE 7
Swo 7
TFB 6

I think we should vote from among {Brain, Fish, PE, Sword}

is that your POE or is that just an optimized plan of action for the phase?

The teams are from my POE less improbable pairs, the four at the end is where I think we should concentrate this phase.

[brainbomb]

Right. and you list me first. So I suppose you should be voting me then?

[damo666]

This would imply that the most possible scumteam pairings all go through me and I havent seen any reasoning that connects me to any of those people or any argument that im overly disconnected from any of those people.

what am I actually reading here?

Lack of disconnect.

I've just realised that if you are town fish must be scum. Now that's a result I hadn't expected.

[damo666]

Right. and you list me first. So I suppose you should be voting me then?

No, I just got my alphabet wrong!

[brainbomb]

This would imply that the most possible scumteam pairings all go through me and I havent seen any reasoning that connects me to any of those people or any argument that im overly disconnected from any of those people.

what am I actually reading here?

Lack of disconnect.

I've just realised that if you are town fish must be scum. Now that's a result I hadn't expected.

How do you determine a middling range of disconnect? what criteria needs to be met and also not met to make such a consideration?

[damo666]

NOTE FOR THE CLASS

According to my analysis at least one of brain and fish are scum.

[damo666]

This would imply that the most possible scumteam pairings all go through me and I havent seen any reasoning that connects me to any of those people or any argument that im overly disconnected from any of those people.

what am I actually reading here?

Lack of disconnect.

I've just realised that if you are town fish must be scum. Now that's a result I hadn't expected.

How do you determine a middling range of disconnect? what criteria needs to be met and also not met to make such a consideration?

Mainly vote patterns

[brainbomb]

I cant say I understand how you reached these conclusions but lfischl is not exactly out here doing Gods work so im fine with that dichotomy

[KoalaAttack]

Damo's gives snarkemy responses as any alignment, he is British. There are better reasons to scum read him.

I take the point onboard. Makes sense.

The point was not to be defensive, the point was to get you to dig deeper and actually make cases that convince a credulous person. You'll find explanations of why I think Bona is town in my post history. It essentially boils down to townie appearing hunting efforts coupled with shitposting that seems to lack the discomfort and fakeness that comes with being mafia trying to fit in. If you want the full logic read those posts. The part you quoted isn't me making the case for bona=town as that is something I had already done. It's me expressing frustration that no one listened.

As for the Damo point, I encourage you to think harder on this case as well and push deeper. There are much more compelling reasons to think of Damo as scum. Explaining mech to newbies is easily faked and not something I would view as AI whether someone chose to do it or didn't imo.

I see – yep, makes sense as well, thanks for sharing.

[KoalaAttack]

Here is a question for everyone (not a survey). Which is the most likely scenario:

1. Bonatogether and damo are mafia bussing each other.

2. PE and ghug are mafia leading mis-kills of Bonatogether and damo.

3. The mafia are watching town vote for each other and consist primarily of BK3K, lfischl, rdrivera, and swordsman.

4. none of the above

I think 1. is possible but not super likely given that Damo hasn't been pushing for Bona nearly as much as others like myself and even ghug. But I can see a hybrid version of 3. if Damo is Mafia going "no need for me to do more, they are already doing it on my behalf". I still have the least strongest and the most confusing read on ghug out of everyone on here possibly excluding the low-posting triplets.

2. is definitely possible

3. I think statistically "primarily" is a tough sell in there – but I think at least 1-2 of those 4 you listed there to be doing exactly that highly likely