M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

~~Still think he's scum~~ but have fun with your family!

This is exactly why I want to be subbed - I am not scum and cannot participate in a way to help you avoid MKing me.

BB isn’t an option, but Chaqa has others available.

[snowy801]

Would I ever miskill a guy? Perish the thought.

bona isn't real he can't hurt me

[Hamilton Brian]

Still murking about in my head.

3 commonalities on the 2ndaykills: damo, vecna, lfischl

There is probably a good chance that there was enough time to go bussing. Not out of the question.

Not saying it is one of those 3.

[TheMadMonarch]

I've never understood the fruit vendor (cheese wheel), what use is it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey, sorry I've been quite inactive so far this phase. My internet and phone line got cut off at home and I've spent several hours today shouting at British Telecom. I'm back but need to catch up in case I missed any discussion.

[TheMadMonarch]

Still murking about in my head.

3 commonalities on the 2ndaykills: damo, vecna, lfischl

There is probably a good chance that there was enough time to go bussing. Not out of the question.

Not saying it is one of those 3.

Damo was also rb'd n1... interesting thought.

[Jamiet99uk]

As I prepare to catch up, I notice Lfischl has not posted at all during this phase.

That strikes me as very odd because he was a leading wagon, and he was around at EoD.

[Jamiet99uk]

13. macca - I don't like lurkers, I understand time issues, but at least try to do some effort. Only better than lfischl because I like the name.
14. lfischl - I don't like lurkers, can't see on much here
15. maniac - the one thing that looked good on him was made bad with his next posts, also that rush at the end
like someone saved him, that doesn't look good

Why did you just re-post these three?

[Chaqa]

Question of the hour:

Why was Jamie's item not stolen last night?


4. Jamie lied, someone else had the chicken. I only see this occurring if Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder. That way, there is incentive to let it look like it was jamie. Considering the death of Kak, I find this the least likely, but you never know, some people like to bus.


Any other thoughts?

If Jamie is scum with the actual chicken holder Jamie wouldn’t know one of his partners was holding the chicken when he first accused Ghug of lying.

Perhaps. But that info may have been in the QT.


##CALL GM
Would the mafia be able to know eachother's items before N1? (like, that info was just sitting in the QT).

##GM Note: mafia were not informed of each other’s items by me.

[Jamiet99uk]

dangit, i wanted to like kak
i think i may actually do some digging into the way people treated kak this game and see if i can glean anything
also even after looking at kaks posts and the votes for him, i have no idea how the wagon took off that much
ill have to take a better look at that too

Bob is disappointed that Kak was killed.
Hmm.

[BobMcBob]

Do we think the glue was used by someone trying to save Kak, but the flashwagon took the lead too quickly for them to achieve that?

Or, any other theories?

glue works way too quickly for that to be what happened
the fact that it triggered exactly one minute before eod is rather telling dont you think?

[Jamiet99uk]

So a strong townread on Bob, townreads on Bozo and Damo, and scumreads on me and Maniac, nearly everyone else null.

It also looks like he started to type something about Hamilton and then didn't finish it.

How did you conclude your scumread was stronger than mine or lfischl's?

First of all, he voted for me.

Second of all, in the case of Lfischl, he said "I don't like lurkers", not "I scumread Lfischl".

Not liking lurkers does not automatically equate to scumreading everyone who lurks.

[BobMcBob]

My 3p pool is rdr worcej Maniac Bob Macca snowy.

I'd be absolutely flabbergasted if the 3p is outside this pool.

whys that damo?
bad logic and a copious amount of assumptions?

[snowy801]

Do we think the glue was used by someone trying to save Kak, but the flashwagon took the lead too quickly for them to achieve that?

Or, any other theories?

glue works way too quickly for that to be what happened
the fact that it triggered exactly one minute before eod is rather telling dont you think?

I did ask Chaqa and he said it will be expended if it is triggered after 4:55, but not have a game impact (as you can't hammer after day ends) so could just be a misunderstanding of how it works but something to consider.

[Jamiet99uk]

Do we think the glue was used by someone trying to save Kak, but the flashwagon took the lead too quickly for them to achieve that?

Or, any other theories?

glue works way too quickly for that to be what happened
the fact that it triggered exactly one minute before eod is rather telling dont you think?

I thought it had a five-minute delay?

[BobMcBob]

My 3p pool is rdr worcej Maniac Bob Macca snowy.

I'd be absolutely flabbergasted if the 3p is outside this pool.

If we assume 3p was on te Bona wagon it can only be Snowy Bob or Maniac.

Snowy could have moved off kak late to disguise his 3p-ness, Maniac was talking a lot about 3p so maybe that was cover, Bob is the least likely of the 3.

im gonna take that as a yes

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie did not have much choice but to vote for Kakarroto, the fact that you think this makes him town after apparently having a strong scum read of him makes me suspect you had prior knowledge that he was town.

Why Jamiet didn't have a choice? I wasn't around at EOD but looking at vote count if Jamiet stayed on lfischl with his double vote he would have been the DK instead of Kak or Jamiet. I suppose the three can be scum, but I don't think it's likely.

The momentum was for Kakarroto over lfischl, and Jamie had already questioned Kakarroto's vote for him and said he was willing to vote for Kakarroto, if Jamie had not moved to Kakarroto, he would be under suspicion for protecting Kakarroto (assuming Kakarroto would have flipped eventually).

Bozo is pretty much right about this. I had encouraged the Kak wagon to form and indicated that I would join it if it got enough momentum that by joining it I wouldn't put myself in the lead.

Then, that happened, so I did what I said I'd do. Turns out it was the right choice!

[BobMcBob]

Do we think the glue was used by someone trying to save Kak, but the flashwagon took the lead too quickly for them to achieve that?

Or, any other theories?

glue works way too quickly for that to be what happened
the fact that it triggered exactly one minute before eod is rather telling dont you think?

I thought it had a five-minute delay?

it does, but someone wanting to stop kak running away would presumably have done it around about the third or fourth vote for him, which was 5 minutes earlier
if i had to guess id warrant they used it as late as possible while still confirming it had been used

[Jamiet99uk]

Another possibility is that the 3P didnt really notice jamiets claim, and just didnt find an item worthwhile stealing.

That scenario would suggest the 3P is someone who isn't very observant, such as Macca.

[BobMcBob]

I doubt there were any bussers on kak.

We are getting somewhere.

Eh, I think you, Vecna, fishy all look pretty good. Partial credit to Snowy, too. Jamie had no choice in the matter, and it was already decided when food moved (3P candidate, maybe?).

If Jamie is scum, y'all get a tiny bit less credit, but I still think you're pretty certain town.

food is definitely not 3p

damo rather than dancing around pretending you have a clue for ages please state your garbage logic now so we can all berate you for how garbage it is and then move on
either that or tell us what it is so we actually have something to work on rather than blindly looking at a list of names you decided were cool