MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[ghug]

The EOD1 finished with these wagons, but the story of how we got there is quite impressive:

sweetandcool (8) worcej ghug Bonatogether SpiritoftheRadio bozotheclown Jamiet99uk JustAGuyNamedWill damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdrivera2005 sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Macca573 (2) heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bonatogether (1) Chaqa*
No‑Kill (1) Macca573

An hour before EOD there were different wagons:

Macca had been in the lead for a while

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) worcej ghug
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (2) Bona SpiritoftheRadio
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
Temasek (1) bozo

This had sat for 20 minutes since Jamie left worcej's vanity wagon to a no-kill.

Bona seems to have skipped me arguing with Just and Bona saying "Bongo those are not kind words" And not 2 posts later switches from voting me to voting sweet "for self-preservation".

Notice voting Macca would have been untying the lead, but Bona puts sweet into a 3-way tie with himself and Macca.

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

This occurs in a cross-post with sweet who switches to voting Just and then utters the odd words "Ach, bad timing, I just changed my vote."

THIS is a VERY VERY strange sequence. I think that with the right view of the game, this sequence makes sense: Why did nobody vote Macca "for self preservation"? Why did sweet say that? Why did sweet CHOOSE to vote Just?

It became:

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
Bona (2) Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

Part two: the reflexive bus coming soon.

Two requests:
1. Darker shade of green, please.
2. Don't green yourself.

Now I'll read it.

[BunnyGo]

OH GOD! I see it!

Sweet was bussing Bona.

Chaqa was bussing Bona.

So Just decides "ah ha! Nobody will see this!" and busses Bona too.

I could see that...

But now is not the time for theories! Now is the time for stories!!

[BunnyGo]

@ghug: give me a specific color code.

[ghug]

The EOD1 finished with these wagons, but the story of how we got there is quite impressive:

sweetandcool (8) worcej ghug Bonatogether SpiritoftheRadio bozotheclown Jamiet99uk JustAGuyNamedWill damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdrivera2005 sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Macca573 (2) heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bonatogether (1) Chaqa*
No‑Kill (1) Macca573

An hour before EOD there were different wagons:

Macca had been in the lead for a while

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) worcej ghug
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (2) Bona SpiritoftheRadio
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
Temasek (1) bozo

This had sat for 20 minutes since Jamie left worcej's vanity wagon to a no-kill.

Bona seems to have skipped me arguing with Just and Bona saying "Bongo those are not kind words" And not 2 posts later switches from voting me to voting sweet "for self-preservation".

Notice voting Macca would have been untying the lead, but Bona puts sweet into a 3-way tie with himself and Macca.

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

This occurs in a cross-post with sweet who switches to voting Just and then utters the odd words "Ach, bad timing, I just changed my vote."

THIS is a VERY VERY strange sequence. I think that with the right view of the game, this sequence makes sense: Why did nobody vote Macca "for self preservation"? Why did sweet say that? Why did sweet CHOOSE to vote Just?

It became:

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
Bona (2) Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

Part two: the reflexive bus coming soon.

Having now read, I see a scum team bussing the shit out of each other.

[ghug]

i'm curious about your comment that i was trying to make myself look good - i don't believe i ever said that i look good in that post. i quoted things that were relevant to me, which can be interpreted any which way. i think the most explicit thing i said was that you and i are almost certainly opposite alignments. surely you agree with this?

It's hard to be sure with you.

1) You do self-admittedly su** at mechs. I could see you using RB as scum, and honestly claiming your doc visits as town. That said, you never claimed without pressure before. Why did you claim this time?

2) You and Just were laser focused on each other today. It read like scum theatre between two scum who knew they were caught and trying to bus/distance.

3) Just seems to KNOW you visited Spirit.

4) Jamie doesn't miscrumb like that

5) You don't neg me like this as town.

so...lots and lots of reasons to vote you. But 1 big reason not to: I don't need to today, we have time to let the doctor sit.

And I might be wrong.

"Maths" is already kind of questionable but I feel personally betrayed by your spelling of "theater".

[ghug]

The EOD1 finished with these wagons, but the story of how we got there is quite impressive:

sweetandcool (8) worcej ghug Bonatogether SpiritoftheRadio bozotheclown Jamiet99uk JustAGuyNamedWill damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdrivera2005 sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Macca573 (2) heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bonatogether (1) Chaqa*
No‑Kill (1) Macca573

An hour before EOD there were different wagons:

Macca had been in the lead for a while

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) worcej ghug
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (2) Bona SpiritoftheRadio
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
Temasek (1) bozo

This had sat for 20 minutes since Jamie left worcej's vanity wagon to a no-kill.

Bona seems to have skipped me arguing with Just and Bona saying "Bongo those are not kind words" And not 2 posts later switches from voting me to voting sweet "for self-preservation".

Notice voting Macca would have been untying the lead, but Bona puts sweet into a 3-way tie with himself and Macca.

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

This occurs in a cross-post with sweet who switches to voting Just and then utters the odd words "Ach, bad timing, I just changed my vote."

THIS is a VERY VERY strange sequence. I think that with the right view of the game, this sequence makes sense: Why did nobody vote Macca "for self preservation"? Why did sweet say that? Why did sweet CHOOSE to vote Just?

It became:

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
Bona (2) Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

Part two: the reflexive bus coming soon.

Having now read, I see a scum team bussing the shit out of each other.

[BunnyGo]

That's funny. Maths is an affectation i just put on for this game only.

Theatre is one that just seems more normal when it describes the acting, as opposed to the building.

[BunnyGo]

Ok...will do part 2 with color 40E080

[ghug]

Oops, I was testing colors. The first green in the one I posted is legible but a little weird. Try 00B020 cause it's bozo (or just like 009000 or something.

[ghug]

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Flu shot is hitting me weirdly hard right now.

[Bonatogether]

i'm curious about your comment that i was trying to make myself look good - i don't believe i ever said that i look good in that post. i quoted things that were relevant to me, which can be interpreted any which way. i think the most explicit thing i said was that you and i are almost certainly opposite alignments. surely you agree with this?

It's hard to be sure with you.

1) You do self-admittedly su** at mechs. I could see you using RB as scum, and honestly claiming your doc visits as town. That said, you never claimed without pressure before. Why did you claim this time?

2) You and Just were laser focused on each other today. It read like scum theatre between two scum who knew they were caught and trying to bus/distance.

3) Just seems to KNOW you visited Spirit.

4) Jamie doesn't miscrumb like that

5) You don't neg me like this as town.

so...lots and lots of reasons to vote you. But 1 big reason not to: I don't need to today, we have time to let the doctor sit.

And I might be wrong.

i had typed out a response to this post but deleted it, as it only responded to trivial details. the important thing about this post is that it fundamentally does not respond to what i was saying. i said that i had not intentionally, nor overtly, tried to clear myself in my post. you said that i was intentionally trying to make myself look good, when in fact the only time i address my own alignment is to argue that it must be opposite yours. do you agree or do you disagree?

[ghug]

i'm curious about your comment that i was trying to make myself look good - i don't believe i ever said that i look good in that post. i quoted things that were relevant to me, which can be interpreted any which way. i think the most explicit thing i said was that you and i are almost certainly opposite alignments. surely you agree with this?

It's hard to be sure with you.

1) You do self-admittedly su** at mechs. I could see you using RB as scum, and honestly claiming your doc visits as town. That said, you never claimed without pressure before. Why did you claim this time?

2) You and Just were laser focused on each other today. It read like scum theatre between two scum who knew they were caught and trying to bus/distance.

3) Just seems to KNOW you visited Spirit.

4) Jamie doesn't miscrumb like that

5) You don't neg me like this as town.

so...lots and lots of reasons to vote you. But 1 big reason not to: I don't need to today, we have time to let the doctor sit.

And I might be wrong.

i had typed out a response to this post but deleted it, as it only responded to trivial details. the important thing about this post is that it fundamentally does not respond to what i was saying. i said that i had not intentionally, nor overtly, tried to clear myself in my post. you said that i was intentionally trying to make myself look good, when in fact the only time i address my own alignment is to argue that it must be opposite yours. do you agree or do you disagree?

Can you explain to me why you think you and Bunny have to be unaligned like I'm someone dumb like President Eden?

[BunnyGo]

When last we left, Bona had left my wagon for self-preservation and sweet didn't join my wagon nor did either join Macca's.

Jamie pushes Hamilton.

Then Just makes a "self-preservation" vote of Macca. Bringing it to:

Macca573 (4) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22 JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
Bona (1) Chaqa
No-Kill (1) Macca
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo
Hamilton Brian (1) Jamie

It seems like Just was the most likely to get cold feet bussing. It sat like this for 10 minutes, until with 30 minutes left Spirit left me for sweet. Even said "if sweet + will is a scum team it doesn't matter"

and 5 minutes later Hamilton jumps in to "tie the vote" by voting Just. At this point, the scum team has locked themselves into massively bussing.

Macca573 (4) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22 JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdr sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
sweetandcool (4) worcej ghug Bona SpiritoftheRadio
Bona (1) Chaqa*
No-Kill (1) Macca
Temasek (1) bozo
Hamilton Brian (1) Jamie

It sits like this unchanged for 12 minutes. In retrospect, scum must have been sweating. Just was on Macca, Sweet was bussing Just. It was tied, and their teammates couldn't easily jump in to help.

Page 33 has fascinating reading. Here's a line from Just: I just realized Macca hasn’t voted. I most likely screwed myself

Page 34:
rdr: I can vote Macca to break the tie, but then Macca can tie again. Won't vote for Sweet today.

(Aside: I don't see scum rdr bussing this hard AND not bussing. And while he's subtly saying "let's break the tie by voting Macca" he's actually giving reasons NOT to vote Macca. I think scum!rdr is a cooler cucumber than that)

bozo then breaks the tie voting sweet.

(aside: I do this scum!bozo is capable of this play)

sweetandcool (5) worcej ghug Bona SpiritoftheRadio bozo
Macca573 (4) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22 JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdr sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Bona (1) Chaqa*
No-Kill (1) Macca
Hamilton Brian (1) Jamie

sweet then seals his fate by voting Just "for emphasis".

Thus ends the story of massive bussing. The denouement is less interesting.

But I think these crucial changes here only make sense when viewed from the right scum team.

[Bonatogether]

It's hard to be sure with you.

1) You do self-admittedly su** at mechs. I could see you using RB as scum, and honestly claiming your doc visits as town. That said, you never claimed without pressure before. Why did you claim this time?

2) You and Just were laser focused on each other today. It read like scum theatre between two scum who knew they were caught and trying to bus/distance.

3) Just seems to KNOW you visited Spirit.

4) Jamie doesn't miscrumb like that

5) You don't neg me like this as town.

so...lots and lots of reasons to vote you. But 1 big reason not to: I don't need to today, we have time to let the doctor sit.

And I might be wrong.

i had typed out a response to this post but deleted it, as it only responded to trivial details. the important thing about this post is that it fundamentally does not respond to what i was saying. i said that i had not intentionally, nor overtly, tried to clear myself in my post. you said that i was intentionally trying to make myself look good, when in fact the only time i address my own alignment is to argue that it must be opposite yours. do you agree or do you disagree?

Can you explain to me why you think you and Bunny have to be unaligned like I'm someone dumb like President Eden?

some opinions I have

Fun sponge BunnyGo has proven himself to be an unreliable, as he has made his opinion based on my jokes, which he would have no knowledge of if this is Norma for me or not. So yeah

Unless he’s just trying to get an easy miskill that Spirit pointed out early. Which in that case looks like a mafia inclined Spirit trying to justify an easy miskill on me.

Coming back to my jokes, one thing Jamie brought up was my joke about ND being a bad mafia partner. This should be disregarded as it is a joke.

Knowing how it feels to be aggressively targeted by a town ND, I can safely say that his actions of craziness happened too early to be natural (or at least natural for ND)

Yes, bona does make some good points, but no, they cannot make up for NDs antics, and Bona may just be trying to save a doomed situation.

On the other hand, ND may have just been acting stupid and Bona now has to pick up the pieces.

Unless any new information or counterclaims come out, I believe Bona is the best target. He has been put into an unfortunate situation though, and I do commend him for his good threat level control.

Anyways I just wanted to rant about something

Let’s do this guys

Losing ND is tough, but losing Bona is not

##VOTE ND

first principles says that he probably mentions a teammate here, and of the people he mentions (bunny, spirit (dead town), jamie (dead town), nd/me), i feel like there's a clear odd one out (fmpov of course). i feel like this, in conjunction with what bongo has been doing otherwise, provides a relatively firm footing for saying we're opposite paired.

[ghug]

Ok...will do part 2 with color 40E080

+1 retracted.

[BunnyGo]

i'm curious about your comment that i was trying to make myself look good - i don't believe i ever said that i look good in that post. i quoted things that were relevant to me, which can be interpreted any which way. i think the most explicit thing i said was that you and i are almost certainly opposite alignments. surely you agree with this?

It's hard to be sure with you.

1) You do self-admittedly su** at mechs. I could see you using RB as scum, and honestly claiming your doc visits as town. That said, you never claimed without pressure before. Why did you claim this time?

2) You and Just were laser focused on each other today. It read like scum theatre between two scum who knew they were caught and trying to bus/distance.

3) Just seems to KNOW you visited Spirit.

4) Jamie doesn't miscrumb like that

5) You don't neg me like this as town.

so...lots and lots of reasons to vote you. But 1 big reason not to: I don't need to today, we have time to let the doctor sit.

And I might be wrong.

i had typed out a response to this post but deleted it, as it only responded to trivial details. the important thing about this post is that it fundamentally does not respond to what i was saying. i said that i had not intentionally, nor overtly, tried to clear myself in my post. you said that i was intentionally trying to make myself look good, when in fact the only time i address my own alignment is to argue that it must be opposite yours. do you agree or do you disagree?

I have no idea for sure. I have tried to address why I think it is likely we are opposite alignments.

Which was your question.

But on D2, I thought we were the same alignment...

[BunnyGo]

i'm curious about your comment that i was trying to make myself look good - i don't believe i ever said that i look good in that post. i quoted things that were relevant to me, which can be interpreted any which way. i think the most explicit thing i said was that you and i are almost certainly opposite alignments. surely you agree with this?

It's hard to be sure with you.

1) You do self-admittedly su** at mechs. I could see you using RB as scum, and honestly claiming your doc visits as town. That said, you never claimed without pressure before. Why did you claim this time?

2) You and Just were laser focused on each other today. It read like scum theatre between two scum who knew they were caught and trying to bus/distance.

3) Just seems to KNOW you visited Spirit.

4) Jamie doesn't miscrumb like that

5) You don't neg me like this as town.

so...lots and lots of reasons to vote you. But 1 big reason not to: I don't need to today, we have time to let the doctor sit.

And I might be wrong.

i had typed out a response to this post but deleted it, as it only responded to trivial details. the important thing about this post is that it fundamentally does not respond to what i was saying. i said that i had not intentionally, nor overtly, tried to clear myself in my post. you said that i was intentionally trying to make myself look good, when in fact the only time i address my own alignment is to argue that it must be opposite yours. do you agree or do you disagree?

Now for the one question I really want an answer to:

Why did you claim when and how you did? Why not wait? You've never claimed before without EOD pressure.

[ghug]

i had typed out a response to this post but deleted it, as it only responded to trivial details. the important thing about this post is that it fundamentally does not respond to what i was saying. i said that i had not intentionally, nor overtly, tried to clear myself in my post. you said that i was intentionally trying to make myself look good, when in fact the only time i address my own alignment is to argue that it must be opposite yours. do you agree or do you disagree?

Can you explain to me why you think you and Bunny have to be unaligned like I'm someone dumb like President Eden?

some opinions I have

Fun sponge BunnyGo has proven himself to be an unreliable, as he has made his opinion based on my jokes, which he would have no knowledge of if this is Norma for me or not. So yeah

Unless he’s just trying to get an easy miskill that Spirit pointed out early. Which in that case looks like a mafia inclined Spirit trying to justify an easy miskill on me.

Coming back to my jokes, one thing Jamie brought up was my joke about ND being a bad mafia partner. This should be disregarded as it is a joke.

Knowing how it feels to be aggressively targeted by a town ND, I can safely say that his actions of craziness happened too early to be natural (or at least natural for ND)

Yes, bona does make some good points, but no, they cannot make up for NDs antics, and Bona may just be trying to save a doomed situation.

On the other hand, ND may have just been acting stupid and Bona now has to pick up the pieces.

Unless any new information or counterclaims come out, I believe Bona is the best target. He has been put into an unfortunate situation though, and I do commend him for his good threat level control.

Anyways I just wanted to rant about something

Let’s do this guys

Losing ND is tough, but losing Bona is not

##VOTE ND

first principles says that he probably mentions a teammate here, and of the people he mentions (bunny, spirit (dead town), jamie (dead town), nd/me), i feel like there's a clear odd one out (fmpov of course). i feel like this, in conjunction with what bongo has been doing otherwise, provides a relatively firm footing for saying we're opposite paired.

Smh I read that already and didn't buy it that's why I'm asking.

[BunnyGo]

Ok...will do part 2 with color 40E080

+1 retracted.

Sorry...I just saw your followup post after I finished writing it

[Bonatogether]

It's hard to be sure with you.

1) You do self-admittedly su** at mechs. I could see you using RB as scum, and honestly claiming your doc visits as town. That said, you never claimed without pressure before. Why did you claim this time?

2) You and Just were laser focused on each other today. It read like scum theatre between two scum who knew they were caught and trying to bus/distance.

3) Just seems to KNOW you visited Spirit.

4) Jamie doesn't miscrumb like that

5) You don't neg me like this as town.

so...lots and lots of reasons to vote you. But 1 big reason not to: I don't need to today, we have time to let the doctor sit.

And I might be wrong.

i had typed out a response to this post but deleted it, as it only responded to trivial details. the important thing about this post is that it fundamentally does not respond to what i was saying. i said that i had not intentionally, nor overtly, tried to clear myself in my post. you said that i was intentionally trying to make myself look good, when in fact the only time i address my own alignment is to argue that it must be opposite yours. do you agree or do you disagree?

I have no idea for sure. I have tried to address why I think it is likely we are opposite alignments.

Which was your question.

But on D2, I thought we were the same alignment...

this does not answer my question whatsoever.