Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[Hamilton Brian]

As of right now I want to continue with my gut. I've done some following with brain's thinking but I don't know if I am ready to run on to Food. I felt this way on D1 and right now I feel it D2.

##Vote BunnyGo

Why not vote me if you think my reasoning for scumreading you is fabricated?

Did I insist I think it's fabricated?

[damo666]

##GM I have an os q re doc

[worcej]

##GM I have an os q re doc

Huh?

[worcej]

Doc cannot self save though so why would you RB the NK? Use it elsewhere and hope it does its job or simply withhold to quasi clear claim.

Doctor: You're the Town Doctor! For such a small town, you'd think they would employ more doctors... but nope, you're it! Each night, you can ##save a person from death if they are the target of the Mafia NK by submitting a ##scan order to the GMs via PM on Webdiplo or Discord. Good luck guessing those targets! You win when the scum team is eliminated.

I see no reason to think the doctor cannot self-save.

I was assuming.

##GM can doc self save?

Yes.

[BunnyGo]

Note for reading later:

Possible pairs:

Brain-Ham
Ghug-Ham
Frog-food
Dargothrob-Brain

Yuk no

What about Ham dargo

And what about Bozo?

bozo is good call out too.

dargothrob was there.

I just want to reread with a pairing in mind instead of specific individual.

[ghug]

Three things:

1. Frog, answer my questions and actually respond to Jamie's case. Given that you've acknowledged me at this point, it can no longer be attributed to laziness.
2. Anyone who has played with brain extensively and is currently voting for him is highly suspect. He is oozing town.
3. ##CALLGM I think you accidentally the doctor PM. Can you clarify the correct role text?

Doctor: You're the Town Doctor! For such a small town, you'd think they would employ more doctors... but nope, you're it! Each night, you can ##save a person from death if they are the target of the Mafia NK by submitting a ##scan order to the GMs via PM on Webdiplo or Discord. Good luck guessing those targets! You win when the scum team is eliminated.

The exact text that was sent is the following:

You're the Town Doctor! For such a small town, you'd think they would employ more doctors... but nope, you're it! Each night, you can ##save a person from death if they are the target of the Mafia NK by submitting a ##scan order to the GMs via PM on Webdiplo or Discord. Good luck guessing those targets! You win when the scum team is eliminated.

##CALLGM

So do they scan or do they save?
Is the correct reading that they can both target the same person back to back and target themselves?

[BunnyGo]

nah screw it. It has to be will here. at least foods posts are not jokes

##vote will

What does w/w mean?

I only know it and w/r, r/w, and r/r as vulnerability status in bridge hands.

[BunnyGo]

##GM I have an os q re doc

Huh?

outstanding question regarding doctor

not sure if he meant outstanding as in "unaddressed" or as in "it's awesome" but I can never tell with brits.

[BunnyGo]

No, just stop.

think about this logically.

scum usually roleblocks the target they kill. if they thought there was a chance jamie was a PR they wouldve probably roleblocked him. Why on earth would they roleblock food, like ever?

food tried to soft doc. anyone with a fucking brain can see it, plain as day. he wasnt softing hes frasier goddamn crane. use some common sense!

and when he sees now he has to retract that softing doc, he needs some other fallback to try to be cleared.

oh great, a roleblock. unprovable, something mafia can claim under scrutiny.

the main reason he retracted his doc claim and has spin zoned it, is because his best line of attack on ghug and myself is that we were anti town. an argument that resonates well with people like damo and chaqa who think anything fake at all is just bad, bad no matter what it did.

again, reread what happened. I beg and implore you on my knees to just go REREAD it. even if you dont reach that same conclusion I did, REREAD it. it doesnt look clean at all, it looks clunky, and it looks like he was searching for a way out of it all along

Why would they RB the NK in this set up?

Townslip from brain?

Why wouldn't they. Scumslip from damo?

not seeing it. Explain?

[ghug]

Why would they RB the NK in this set up?

Townslip from brain?

Why wouldn't they. Scumslip from damo?

not seeing it. Explain?

I'm mostly snarking, but he's suggesting he has some info on the scumteam's thought processes that is not apparent to me.

[BunnyGo]

##Vote Bozo

naked vote b/c its scummy

##vote bozo

[foodcoats]

Now that we are not directly bashing heads I somewhat like brainbomb’s thinking, at least insofar as I need to reconsider Will. (I already did this with Frog and liked what I found there; and notably, Will falls under the same heading as sweet from Day 1 of “oh, they seem more townish, so they must be town,” and we see where that went with sweet.)

[damo666]

Note for reading later:

Possible pairs:

Brain-Ham
Ghug-Ham
Frog-food
Dargothrob-Brain

Yuk no

What about Ham dargo

And what about Bozo?

bozo is good call out too.

dargothrob was there.

I just want to reread with a pairing in mind instead of specific individual.

I specifically meant the Ham Dargo pairing

[foodcoats]

Well, nevermind, both with his posts and his votes it’s very hard to see a scum!Will world.

[damo666]

I see no reason to think the doctor cannot self-save.

I was assuming.

##GM can doc self save?

Yes.

Food's RB claim doesn't mean much then

[foodcoats]

But brain looks fantastic on my wagon compared to bozo and darg. Will be interesting to see how they explain their scum read of me in detail.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

But brain looks fantastic on my wagon compared to bozo and darg. Will be interesting to see how they explain their scum read of me in detail.

Fantastic as in a fantastic vote option?

[brainbomb]

Im actually focusing on trying to find out which one of you is just really bad at reading me. probably my fualt on some front but im quite sure that two of you are scum. and thats fine. if I die maybe someone will agree, cool.

what do you think of foodcoats read list where he says that sweet should be viewed the same as you?

I need to find it first. Do u have the post number?

I found it. I think it doesn’t matter. Ghug has differing reads from mine, but I do not scumread him for it.

You found it? the post where ghug has different reads?

BunnyGo - In re-reading it's very hard to decide where Bunny is at. Overall I think I really dislike the approach here - not the frame story about the GT, but the level of stream-of-consciousness. It's very hard for me to parse what Bunny is actually thinking. Overall it actually obfuscates the thread and his thinking, even though he intersperses the stream of thoughts with reads-lists. Bunny is basically actively detracting from the game by overstuffing it with thoughts that don't lead anywhere. Scumlean.

JustAGuyNamedWill - I very much like the way that Will is playing. Last game I really misunderstood him. Obviously there's the question as to whether the difference is that he was town last time and didn't care about weird mistakes, and now he is being much more active because he's scum. But I like the way he's countered some arguments and I think it would not be fair to assume people don't get better at playing the game, and therefore I am going to lean town on Will. I don't like his logic about sweet... but since that is largely the one thing I find wrong, and I voted for him incorrectly last time over one single thing, maybe this is indeed the place where I could go wrong about him, but this time I won't. Will Town.

sweetandcool - I'm in a very similar situation with sweet as I am with Will. Town lean.

Well, nevermind, both with his posts and his votes it’s very hard to see a scum!Will world.

New evidence: these posts indicate a lack of reading

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Thanks for cherry picking those examples.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Thanks for cherry picking those examples.

Also brain, I used Ghug as an example of how reads previously do not correlate, and how even if someone disagrees with me, it doesn’t mean that they are scum.