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To reflect the fact that Damo's old Question 19 is now of no more use to us, and that we have one question left to ask:

Person A
1. Real Human
2. Not involved in sport
3. Dead
4. Not a musician
5. Had a college degree
6. Man
7. Not born in Europe
8. Not associated with the performing arts
9. Died before 1st January 2000
10. Not known for involvement in philosophy or religion
11. Held a military or government position
12. Died before 1900
13. US citizen for part of life
14. Fought in war of liberty or independence or civil war or a rebellion
15. Political Prisoner
16. Did not fight on US side in American War of Independence
17. Died a natural death
18. Did not write a major work of literature
19. Served in US Congress.

Person B
1. Real Human
2. Not involved in sport
3. Dead
4. Not a musician
5. Probably did not have a college degree
6. Man
7. Not born in Europe
8. Not associated with the performing arts
9. Died before 1st January 2000
10. Not primarily known for involvement in philosophy or religion although did have involvement
11. Held a military or government position
12. Died before 1900
13. US citizen for part of life
14. Fought in war of liberty or independence or civil war or a rebellion
15. Not a Political Prisoner [although sort of]
16. Did fight on US side in American War of Independence
17. Died a natural death
18. Did not write a major work of literature
19. Was involved in politics but did not serve politically at a high level.

Not:
Benjamin Franklin, Charlotte Corday, John Jay [han-shahhanshah]

George Washington, John Hancock, John Quincy Adams, Benedict Arnold [damo]

Nathan Hale, J.Gordon Bennett [Jamie]

Marie Antionette, Aaron Burr, Anne Boleyn [Trigfea63]

Andrew Johnson [Spartaculous]

Benedict Arnold [JECE]

Ambrose Burnside, William T. Sherman, Benedict Arnold [hanging rook]

Robert Fulton, Samuel Colt, John "appleseed" Chapman, Samuel Wilson [BrianBaru]

Octavious wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:17 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:46 pm

Question: Did they serve as President, Vice-President, or a member of the Cabinet in the United States or any other country?

A) I don't believe so (easy to trip up over the details when it comes to foreign governments I don't properly understand) , but I'll be generous and say he was a member of Congress and was an active member of various committees

B) No. He was involved in politics, but not at the highest levels

I take it that none of these men are on the list of who we are looking for either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... presidents

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:17 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:17 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:46 pm

Question: Did they serve as President, Vice-President, or a member of the Cabinet in the United States or any other country?

A) I don't believe so (easy to trip up over the details when it comes to foreign governments I don't properly understand) , but I'll be generous and say he was a member of Congress and was an active member of various committees

B) No. He was involved in politics, but not at the highest levels

I take it that none of these men are on the list of who we are looking for either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... presidents

Are you asking the question master to confirm that?

This would be our final question, if so.

Or, are you merely stating your view that this fact is implied by the answer to my question?

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:35 pm

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:17 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:17 pm

A) I don't believe so (easy to trip up over the details when it comes to foreign governments I don't properly understand) , but I'll be generous and say he was a member of Congress and was an active member of various committees

B) No. He was involved in politics, but not at the highest levels

I take it that none of these men are on the list of who we are looking for either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... presidents

Are you asking the question master to confirm that?

This would be our final question, if so.

Or, are you merely stating your view that this fact is implied by the answer to my question?

I didn't ask a question.

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:38 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:35 pm

JECE wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:17 pm

I take it that none of these men are on the list of who we are looking for either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... presidents

Are you asking the question master to confirm that?

This would be our final question, if so.

Or, are you merely stating your view that this fact is implied by the answer to my question?

I didn't ask a question.

I was just checking.

At the risk of giving away too big a clue, that was an interesting interpretation from Jamie

Some impressive thinking from JECE. So much so that I'm inclined to be generous and confirm that A and B are not on the list

Octavious wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:47 am

At the risk of giving away too big a clue, that was an interesting interpretation from Jamie

Stop doing this. Adjudicate the game with a straight bat. Please. It's not fair to us if you keep doing otherwise.

I assume you are making some kind of reference to these items added to the summary by me:

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:11 pm

Person A
19. Served in US Congress.

Person B
19. Was involved in politics but did not serve politically at a high level.

Now here was your answer to my question:

Octavious wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:17 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:46 pm

Question: Did they serve as President, Vice-President, or a member of the Cabinet in the United States or any other country?

A) I don't believe so (easy to trip up over the details when it comes to foreign governments I don't properly understand) , but I'll be generous and say he was a member of Congress and was an active member of various committees

B) No. He was involved in politics, but not at the highest levels

With regard to A, you said he was a member of Congress.

With regard to B, you said he was not involved in politics "at the highest levels".

I have not "interpreted" your answer in any "interesting" way. I have reflected the answer you gave, in a natural reading of the words you used in your answer.

I feel that you're very close to spotting it. Spend a little bit more time focusing on the difference between what I said and what you wrote and it should become obvious

Octavious wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:05 pm

I feel that you're very close to spotting it. Spend a little bit more time focusing on the difference between what I said and what you wrote and it should become obvious

You said "he was a member of Congress". I said "member of US congress".

The only difference was the "US".

So I must conclude that person A was not a member of the US congress, but of a "congress" other than that.

So, taking this into account, the final question:

Did either of these people align with the Confederate side during the American Civil War?

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:07 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:05 pm

I feel that you're very close to spotting it. Spend a little bit more time focusing on the difference between what I said and what you wrote and it should become obvious

You said "he was a member of Congress". I said "member of US congress".

The only difference was the "US".

So I must conclude that person A was not a member of the US congress, but of a "congress" other than that.

So, taking this into account, the final question:

Did either of these people align with the Confederate side during the American Civil War?

Well done! At times I think I must be talking utter gobbledygook based on the responses I get

A) technically aligned with the Confederate side, I guess, although he argued in favour of the union before the war broke out.

B) Nah, he was 6ft under well before the that war

All questions have been asked. The game will end at close of play tomorrow. Everyone is given one additional bonus guess by virtue of me being a soft touch!

Right, I have to disappear and read the latest dross from the leader of the RMT union, so won't be about for a while. There will be no further clues past this point other than offering points of clarification if needed. Although I may be tempted after a period of time has passed to highlight the posts in which clues have taken place

Person A
1. Real Human
2. Not involved in sport
3. Dead
4. Not a musician
5. Had a college degree
6. Man
7. Not born in Europe
8. Not associated with the performing arts
9. Died before 1st January 2000
10. Not known for involvement in philosophy or religion
11. Held a military or government position
12. Died before 1900
13. US citizen for part of life
14. Fought in war of liberty or independence or civil war or a rebellion
15. Political Prisoner
16. Did not fight on US side in American War of Independence
17. Died a natural death
18. Did not write a major work of literature
19. Served in a "Congress" which was probably not the US Congress.
20. Argued in favour of the Union before the outbreak of the American Civil War, but was seen as aligned with the Confederacy after war commenced.

Person B
1. Real Human
2. Not involved in sport
3. Dead
4. Not a musician
5. Probably did not have a college degree
6. Man
7. Not born in Europe
8. Not associated with the performing arts
9. Died before 1st January 2000
10. Not primarily known for involvement in philosophy or religion although did have involvement
11. Held a military or government position
12. Died before 1900
13. US citizen for part of life
14. Fought in war of liberty or independence or civil war or a rebellion
15. Not a Political Prisoner [although sort of]
16. Did fight on US side in American War of Independence
17. Died a natural death
18. Did not write a major work of literature
19. Was involved in politics but did not serve politically at a high level.
20. Died before the outbreak of the American Civil War.

ALL QUESTIONS USED.

You learn so much with these games. Elbridge Gerry of gerrymandering made it to the vice presidency. President John Tyler was elected to the Confederate Congress, but died before he could serve and had his coffin draped with the Confederate flag.

Yes, I wondered if Eldridge Gerry was an option but his vice-presidency rules him out.

"Yes, I wondered if Eldridge Gerry was an option but his vice-presidency rules him out."
I ruled out Gerry because he served in various capacities during the war, including helping to manage the Continental Army's supply lines.

BrianBaru wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:15 pm

I ruled out Gerry because he served in various capacities during the war, including helping to manage the Continental Army's supply lines.

Why would that rule anybody out? I thought that we were looking for somebody who fought in the war.

BrianBaru wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:15 pm

"Yes, I wondered if Eldridge Gerry was an option but his vice-presidency rules him out."
I ruled out Gerry because he served in various capacities during the war, including helping to manage the Continental Army's supply lines.

Why would that rule someone out?

JECE wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:41 pm

BrianBaru wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:15 pm

I ruled out Gerry because he served in various capacities during the war, including helping to manage the Continental Army's supply lines.

Why would that rule anybody out? I thought that we were looking for somebody who fought in the war.

Person A definitely took part in a war, which could very well have been the ACW.